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So we must take a leap of faith and as Prod said, speculate Andrew didn’t know what he was talkiig about when he confessed to Peter that Jesus was the Lamb of God?
Yes, the Holy Spirit.
Yes I agree with this and that is why He spoke in parables and symbolic speech that would be understood later after His death and res-erection. Imagine if He had allowed His following to keep growing without causing some to leave His side. there would have been a riot when they came to arrest Him, His plan was to be taken quietly to the slaughter. this is why He didnt call after those who walked away when He said you must eat my flesh…
my question was did they all said: “you are the Christ, the Son of the Living God.” did they all said this?
Who? John the Baptist and Andrew? They said Christ was the Lamb of God, the Messiah before Peter did. John the Baptist was not one of the 12 but Andrew was. So my question was as Catholics, do we simply have to jump to the conclusion Andrew did not fully understand the mesning of what he was saying when he professed Christ Messiah to Peter? By assuming this, then Catholics can say Peter was the first of the Apostles to profess. I understand this is yours and Prodigal’s point. That Andrew did not fully understand the meaning of the Lamb of God and Messiah. And it could be.
Matt,Who? John the Baptist and Andrew? They said Christ was the Lamb of God, the Messiah before Peter did. John the Baptist was not one of the 12 but Andrew was. So my question was as Catholics, do we simply have to jump to the conclusion Andrew did not fully understand the mesning of what he was saying when he professed Christ Messiah to Peter? By assuming this, then Catholics can say Peter was the first of the Apostles to profess. I understand this is yours and Prodigal’s point. That Andrew did not fully understand the meaning of the Lamb of God and Messiah. And it could be.
The only problem, Wisdom, someone might see with this is put yourself in the Baptist’s shoes in my scenerio. And you say, hey, Matt (put me in Andrew’s shoes for the sake of my story), “I have found the Lamb of God!” And I then profess to my brother as Andrew did to Peter, “I have found Christ the Messiah!” Am I and my brother only believing this because you, Wisdom, told me and I in turn told him? Or because God has told us all?
To say Christ is the Messiah, Son of, Lamb of God? It makes them Christians? Members of the body of Christ?
i am not sure if you quite understand this.
That’s an entirely new spin on that passage. The old Protestant spin was, ‘He knew who didn’t believe to begin with.’
Wisdom, I know you are saying Andrew did not believe yet Christ was the Son and his definition of Messiah, Lamb of God, was of a deliverer of sorts. And I confirmed that could be correct. But you do realize there are Jews even today who do become Christians, don’t you? And I have good Muslim friends who have a prayer to Allah (God) hanging in their home. They do not call me profane and blasphemous for believing God has a Son. In fact they have at Christmas brought forth gifts to me as the Wisemen did to the Christ Child and I to them.
I confess i am lost. i thought the problem was why St Peter when others had been revealed about the Messiah.
Yes Wisdom, the problem was why St Peter when Andrew revealed to Peter Christ was the Messiah Lamb of God before Peter’s declaration of faith. But you and Prodigal are saying Andrew did not realize the Messiah Lamb of God was the Son. I understand what you are saying.
Peace Wisdom.it is not that they did not realize. it was never revealed to them such. only to St Peter. at that moment St Peter was the one chosen to rule over the Kingdom of David. which Jews were waiting for. the restoration of the Kingdom of David. only this time the kingdom would be of peace and not a Temple and an army like the Jews expected. this time would be just the Temple which is the Church. the Church whose mission is to gather all the people of God into one house. the House of God.Yes Wisdom, the problem was why St Peter when Andrew revealed to Peter Christ was the Messiah Lamb of God before Peter’s declaration of faith. But you and Prodigal are saying Andrew did not realize the Messiah Lamb of God was the Son. I understand what you are saying.
You’re the one who said Muslims call us blasphemous. I was only clarifying not all.
Wisdom, I thought I was on pace to understand what you were saying. But now I’m uncertain what you mean by “it is not that they did not realize, it was never revealed to them such”? If it is not they did not realize, then Andrew did realize Christ was Son when he told Peter Christ was Messiah? If so, who revealed it to them so they could realize?
And right you are Matt. Husband has a son-in-lawwho is Muslim and him nor his family have ever said or implied anything at all. We share prayer and Christmas.Yes Wisdom, the problem was why St Peter when Andrew revealed to Peter Christ was the Messiah Lamb of God before Peter’s declaration of faith. But you and Prodigal are saying Andrew did not realize the Messiah Lamb of God was the Son. I understand what you are saying.
You’re the one who said Muslims call us blasphemous. I was only clarifying not all.
Yeah I’ve even been known to extend my wishes for their Ramadan. One God created us all I figure. 
Let me answer this one. He is with us always. So YES YES YES!
And a BIG AMEN to that.Let me answer this one. He is with us always. So YES YES YES!