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CMatt25 said:
I’m going out on a limb, ok I don’t have to go out too far 🙂 and will presume you include me in “some on this thread”. A unity in name of Christ is not true? Why can’t we all just try to get along in the name of love He taught? Love is a truth He clearly taught. Another truth is I’m thinking of ordering a meat pizza before Wednesday. However faith is you believe you should abstain on Wednesday.
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Ok I thought it was Friday that you guys cant eat meat.🤷
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
So then I’ve got no chance, because we see where we’ve gotten when we’ve compared scriptures. You’ve told me more than once I was reading them wrong.
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Prod, we all have a chance. Keep walking with Christ. Ironically I think it was our dear agnostic friend Larkin if I’m not mistaken who said trust in the Holy Spirit to not let us seriously err on the essentials. God bless you Prodigal Son and peace my brother.
 
CMatt25 said:
Prod, we all have a chance. Keep walking with Christ. Ironically I think it was our dear agnostic friend Larkin if I’m not mistaken who said trust in the Holy Spirit to not let us seriously err on the essentials. God bless you Prodigal Son and peace my brother.
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Amen
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
Ok I thought it was Friday that you guys cant eat meat.🤷
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Ok I lied, i didn’t go to bed yet.

Lent is a time of penance. The refraining from meat is normally, Ash Wednesday, all Fridays including Good Friday. There is no sin to not recognize these disciplines. It is a suggestion for peronal sacrifice.

Giving up something for lent is supposed to be a sacrifice in ones life to affect anothers life in a positive way. Whether that be a charititable contribution of money or time or talent for a brother or sister.

I’m sure there are many others here better able to explain.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
You’re not going to like this, but it was NOT directed at you at all. I was referring to the Protestants who tell Catholics we are wrong on our interpertation, because they are right. These same people will argue against the Church being infallible, yet to say we’re wrong and they are right is assuming they have the correct interpretation which makes their interpretation infallible.
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thats the funny thing about thinking you are right. as soon as you know you are wrong you are right again.🤷
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Steven Ray compares the Catholic faith to a 3 legged stool; Church, Scriptures and Tradition. Now, I’m confronting three people who have been chipping away at two of the legs of my stool, but no one can give me the assurance I’m seeking in finding real favor with God? Yes, I’m bouncing back and forth, looking for that answer. This is the ultimate reality. There are no second chances. For folks who were so sure, I’m not receiving the same assurance anymore. Before it was, ‘core’ beliefs, now it’s ‘there is no assurance’? Another tells me they’re sure because the Holy Spirit tells them so, but the Holy Spirit hasn’t told them how to get the same assurance for another person? Larkin, no offense, but I don’t know what you believe, or if you believe.

What was the point of coming to a Catholic forum, if we’re ‘ok’ to begin with? What’s the point of picking apart a faith, if it’s ‘ok’ to begin with?

Where are the real answers? You folks can see that I read the Bible, but my interpretations are wrong, but come on Prod. stick with it? Why would an honest Christian tell me I’m wrong, then not try to tell me the straightway?

I know the forum rules and that you can’t tell me what I need, but you sure as heck could tell me where to find the assurance to the truth. Now, it seems you’re telling me I was partially right with Paul’s instructions to work out my salvation with fear and trembling???
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Prodigal are you saying you are doubting your faith? Im not sure I understand what you are saying. I hope I am misunderstanding you. If I had any doubt about your eternal security I would most certainly say so, forum rules or not. I may not ever convert to the Catholic Church but you and others on this forum have really caused my thinking about the Catholic church to change dramatically. You have shown me that there is in fact strong scriptural support for many Catholic doctrines. I tried to go to the Catholic church today after my church got out but it was closed Mass was at 8am and 930 am and Sat at 530 pm. If someone had told me two months ago that I would be trying to attend a Catholic Mass I would have thought they were nutty. I would stop posting on this forum if I thought I would damage the faith of a Catholic. A morman, a calvinist a JW or muslim great but not a Catholic.
 
Lapey said:
Ok I lied, i didn’t go to bed yet.

Lent is a time of penance. The refraining from meat is normally, Ash Wednesday, all Fridays including Good Friday. There is no sin to not recognize these disciplines. It is a suggestion for peronal sacrifice.

Giving up something for lent is supposed to be a sacrifice in ones life to affect anothers life in a positive way. Whether that be a charititable contribution of money or time or talent for a brother or sister.

I’m sure there are many others here better able to explain.
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It sounds like a very nice tradition, thank you for explaining it.
 
Lapey said:
What you don’t want is to conform to the teaching because you don’t understand it. If you don’t want to come to this truth, whether understood or not, then go somewhere that it is perceived to be a symbol, or a remembrance of Him.

My last statement was not charitable, so I removed it. Been a long day and I just finished paying bills, not much left over…lol

Sorry.
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Lapey, why do you always assume I don’t understand? First of all I have argued against closed Communion. But that doesn’t mean I don’t understand why the RCC teaches closed. I understand. I just question the idea Biblically as I do wonder what our Lord is thinking sometimes about us trying to keep fellow Christians away from Him. Yes I know you believe it is themselves keeping themselves away. But not if they want to receive Him but the missalette or a priest tells them they can not. When I discussed symbolism it was in the context of explaining to Wisdomseeker why some believe in it. And I simply stated a fact that Protestants and some Catholics have trouble with transubstantiation. 🤷 I know you know they do. That’s one thing about me Lapey. I can often understand all sides. Maybe it’s a gift God gave me to try to spread peace and ecumenicism. 🙂 I dunno. 🤷

And yes I could go somewhere open Communion is officially practiced. But I was baptized, catechized, and confirmed in the RCC and have never yet gone to another church. I know you want me to accept every single mattter. But if that is not possible for my informed, prayerful conscience, would you still say, “go somewhere else” or would you rather I still stick around in the Church?

Thank you for removing your uncharitable sentence. But no need to be sorry my brother and friend in Christ.
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
It sounds like a very nice tradition, thank you for explaining it.
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Besides abstaining on Ash Wed and every Fri of Lent, there is also fasting on Ash Wed and Good Fri. The following is taken from my local parish’s bulletin.

Fasting is for age 18 years (Me: It used to be 21 but maybe it was changed when the age of adulthood was changed. I don’t really know) through age 59. In fasting one full meal and two others meals, sufficient to maintain strength, may be taken according to each one’s needs, but together they should not equal another full meal. Eating between meals is not permitted for fasting but liquids including milk and juices are allowed.

Abstinence from meat is for 14 years of age and older. Note exceptions when health or ability to work would be seriously affected.
 
CMatt25 said:
Besides abstaining on Ash Wed and every Fri of Lent, there is also fasting on Ash Wed and Good Fri. The following is taken from my local parish’s bulletin.

Fasting is for age 18 years (Me: It used to be 21 but maybe it was changed when the age of adulthood was changed. I don’t really know) through age 59. In fasting one full meal and two others meals, sufficient to maintain strength, may be taken according to each one’s needs, but together they should not equal another full meal. Eating between meals is not permitted for fasting but liquids including milk and juices are allowed.

Abstinence from meat is for 14 years of age and older. Note exceptions when health or ability to work would be seriously affected.
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reminds me of the story about a very Catholic neighborhood with one non-catholic who lived right in the middle and every Fri this guy would fire up his BBQ and through on a big juicy steak. these pour catholics would be fasting and the smell of that steak every Friday was really getting to them so they all decide to go to work converting this guy and sure enough they convinced him to join the Catholic church. So as the priest sprinkles the guy with holy water he says “you were born a protestant and raised a protestant but now you are a Catholic!” So all is well until the next Friday when the smell of a juicy t-bone come wafting over the fence! so the first Catholic neighbor get to his gate thinking “Im going to straighten this guy out!” Apon reaching the fence he lifts himself up to look over in time to see the guy sprinkle water on the steak and say"you were born a beef and raised a beef but now you are a fish!"
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
reminds me of the story about a very Catholic neighborhood with one non-catholic who lived right in the middle and every Fri this guy would fire up his BBQ and through on a big juicy steak. these pour catholics would be fasting and the smell of that steak every Friday was really getting to them so they all decide to go to work converting this guy and sure enough they convinced him to join the Catholic church. So as the priest sprinkles the guy with holy water he says “you were born a protestant and raised a protestant but now you are a Catholic!” So all is well until the next Friday when the smell of a juicy t-bone come wafting over the fence! so the first Catholic neighbor get to his gate thinking “Im going to straighten this guy out!” Apon reaching the fence he lifts himself up to look over in time to see the guy sprinkle water on the steak and say"you were born a beef and raised a beef but now you are a fish!"
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:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
 
spn82756 said:
Are you saying the Orthodox Church is heterodox? I follow the teachings of the Catholic Church. I believe we have the fullest knowledge available. But so do the Orthodox and they do have Apostolic Succession.
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The heterodoxy I had in mind was that of supposed Catholics and other Christians who have a relativistic approach to faith.
 
Lapey said:
Is that really your best?

Good night.
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What do you want? It’s the truth. Martyrs died for their faith in Christ. In the earliest time it was for refusing to worship ceasar. Are you looking for more? There isn’t any.
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
reminds me of the story about a very Catholic neighborhood with one non-catholic who lived right in the middle and every Fri this guy would fire up his BBQ and through on a big juicy steak. these pour catholics would be fasting and the smell of that steak every Friday was really getting to them so they all decide to go to work converting this guy and sure enough they convinced him to join the Catholic church. So as the priest sprinkles the guy with holy water he says “you were born a protestant and raised a protestant but now you are a Catholic!” So all is well until the next Friday when the smell of a juicy t-bone come wafting over the fence! so the first Catholic neighbor get to his gate thinking “Im going to straighten this guy out!” Apon reaching the fence he lifts himself up to look over in time to see the guy sprinkle water on the steak and say"you were born a beef and raised a beef but now you are a fish!"
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Yep!!! :rotfl:
 
FCEGM said:
The heterodoxy I had in mind was that of supposed Catholics and other Christians who have a relativistic approach to faith.
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What’s a “supposed Catholic”? There are Roman Catholics, Maronite Catholics, Ukrainian Catholics, Anglo-Catholics, and so on but never heard of a “supposed Catholic”? What church are they baptized in?
 
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