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CMatt25 said:
Your characterization is not exactly correct in respect to Christians. Since Christians follow Christ and He tells us in Jn 14:6, I am the truth. Their belief in Christ is not opposite belief. I’m not sure anyone is saying there is not one Truth. I know I’m not. You do understand though the difference between the words believing, faith, and knowing, don’t you? You do understand don’t you there is a difference between you believing only you have the truth on every single issue vs presuming to know as a fallible human that only you have everything figured out correctly with 100% absolute certainty that only you are right?

Regardless of how glorious you might imagine heaven and God to be, can your human mind truly fathom exactly how glorious until we are at home in heaven with Him?
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I believe here he is referring to the fact that we are changing things that have always been seen as the truth. This is done in the name of inclusion.

This is a very divisive subject and I don’t bring it up to start a debate of the issue only to illustrate a point. Abortion is seen by the Church as intrinsically evil, it is always evil. This means simply there are no situations that allow the choice to be just.

But many believe it is a personal choice that each person makes for him or herself. The simple point is, it’s not the choice it is the act that is always wrong according to Church teaching. So even though my wife and I make a legal and society supported choice to abort, it is still intrinsically wrong. Even if a woman’s life or health is an issue or in cases of incest or rape, the act is still intrinsically wrong. It doesn’t matter what the law or society believes.

That is objective truth; there is nothing relative to anything else except truth.

Please remember I did not bring up abortion to debate the subject, only as an example of a serious issue we are all familiar with.
 
CMatt25 said:
Your characterization is not exactly correct in respect to Christians. Since Christians follow Christ and He tells us in Jn 14:6, I am the truth. Their belief in Christ is not opposite belief. I’m not sure anyone is saying there is not one Truth. I know I’m not. You do understand though the difference between the words believing, faith, and knowing, don’t you? You do understand don’t you there is a difference between you believing only you have the truth on every single issue vs presuming to know as a fallible human that only you have everything figured out correctly with 100% absolute certainty that only you are right?

Regardless of how glorious you might imagine heaven and God to be, can your human mind truly fathom exactly how glorious until we are at home in heaven with Him?
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I think you are refering to individuals. the debate is about the Church. the Church is not one person. it is the Body of Christ.

i am not talking individualism here. the Church, One Church speaks the Truth. if you dont believe or agree with her, oh well, judge for yourself.

fallible human being, yes we are. but the promise of Christ was for the Church and not for me or you. we are to follow and obey the Church.

** “To be right in everything, we ought always to hold that the white which I see, is black, if the Hierarchical Church so decides it” St ignatious of Loyola**
 
CMatt25 said:
:amen:
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Body of Christ. the Church is a three legged stool: the Word of God, the Magisterium, and Oral Tradition.

"To be right in everything, we ought always to hold that the white which I see, is black, if the Hierarchical Church so decides it" St ignatious of Loyola
 
wisdomseeker said:
No. that is not what i said. Protestants are the ones accusing the CC of not being the Church of the Bible. please, read my post correctly. thank you.

**St. Clement of Rome

[47, 6] Shameful, beloved, extremely shameful, and unworthy of your training in Christ, is the report that on account of one or two persons the well established and ancient Church of the Corinthians is in revolt against the presbyters. And this report has come not only to us, but even to those professing other faiths than ours, so that by your folly you heap blasphemies on the name of the Lord, and create a danger for yourselves.**
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Jesus Christ gave us the task of proclaiming His Good News He also promised us His Spirit will guide us to all truth John 16:13 and left us with all the Sacament of the Church,do you have these things.
 
Bill_Pick said:
Jesus Christ gave us the task of proclaiming His Good News He also promised us His Spirit will guide us to all truth John 16:13 and left us with all the Sacament of the Church,do you have these things.
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the CC is the Church of teh Bible. i am still waiting for protestants to show how their congregations resembles the Church of the Bible.
 
tweetymom said:
I did explain why I didn’t finish typing the 7 sacraments, was becauseIhad to leave and forgot to shut down. Loathe and disagree are 2 different words with 2 different meanings, I never said I loathed anything about the CC, just did not agree with all. What about loathe and disagree being differebnt do you not understand?

The biggest diagreement I have is Birth control being a sin. I do not loathe this just disagree. If you are in agreement Great!
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Birth control has been a sin in the Cathloic Church for 2000 years,the protestants change that in 1930 (I think )
 
wisdomseeker said:
Body of Christ. the Church is a three legged stool: the Word of God, the Magisterium, and Oral Tradition.

"To be right in everything, we ought always to hold that the white which I see, is black, if the Hierarchical Church so decides it" St ignatious of Loyola
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Right the Church is a 3 legged stool: The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit
 
wisdomseeker said:
Body of Christ. the Church is a three legged stool: the Word of God, the Magisterium, and Oral Tradition.
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Wisdom, I know what you believe. But where do you fit into those 3 if you leave out the collective individual minds, hearts, bodies and souls of us individuals?

Jn:1:1 In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 From the very beginning the Word was with God.

:confused: I know you don’t believe you are God.

Are the Magisterium?

Were you an ECF passing down in oral tradition what you believed to be?
 
tweetymom said:
And?
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Prodigal Son1 post 636
Well, we understood that you disagree with ‘some’ teachings of the Catholic Church the first hundred or so times you repeated it. But when it comes up continually, it seems to go much deeper than different. That’s just an observation.
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I have a video of a speaker named Dr. Ray Guarendi. He gave me a clear explanation of why the Church’s stand on certain birth controls was right. From memory, I will share the ‘gist’ of his story.
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Back when everyone was thinking birth control was the new thing, people approached the Holy Father about relaxing the Church rules on birth control, after all everyone else has no problem with it. The pill was safe and it wasn’t an abortifacient, people declared. The Pope’s decision was to continue the course that birth controls would not be allowed. Some years passed, and the subject was revisited. This specific pill came up again and was being discussed. Then someone brought up the fact that the pill was not an abortifacient. But, technologies were better and a nurse explained that wasn’t exactly true. The pill not only prevented the fertilization, it would stop a fertilized egg from ‘living’. Had the Holy Father agreed with those who approached him and allowed this pill to be used, the Church would have been in error.
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God’s plan is for man to multiply and be fruitful. Gen 1:28 Who are we to tamper with God’s plan? We know where pregnancies comes from and we know that abstinence will prevent an unwanted pregnancy. But people think their right to sex. pleasures of the flesh, outweighs God’s plan, or design.
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That’s my short and simple explanation of birth control. It’s not rocket science in my opinion. We pray for His will be done, then we try to find ways to circumvent His
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tweetymom said:
Right the Church is a 3 legged stool: The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit
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Exactly! it is a three legged stool because of the Trinity. that is why they cannot be separated. the Word, the Magisterium and OT. these remain always together. this the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church. the spotless Bride of Christ.

"To be right in everything, we ought always to hold that the white which I see, is black, if the Hierarchical Church so decides it" St ignatious of Loyola
 
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