So I'm curious some denominations teach that "accept Jesus as personal Lord and Savior" and you will be saved?

[PRmerger]

I don’t think you read all my post, because you didn’t answer it.

I read all of your post, friend.

I am comparing my marriage or our marriage with Jesus, to the CC rules of marriage.

1.A ccording to CC rules, only annulment can end a marriage, …correct?

No. That is incorrect.

If there was a marriage, the Catholic Church cannot end it.

[SIGN1]Only death can end a marriage.[/SIGN1]

The CC discerns whether there was a marriage in the first place, and thus a “declaration of nullity”, or, annulment, is proffered, if there never was a marriage to begin with.

2.Annulment can only occur if a a valid marriage did not take place in the first place.

Yes, ma’am.

3 CC lawyers only annul if one of the parties asks for an annulment.

You are correct.

Knowing Jesus and His love, I do not think He would ever ask for an annulment,
even if someone is ‘not in a valid marriage’ with Him.

You are correct.

But, of course, there’s another party in this marriage, and that is the Christian person.

And there are lots of folks who leave the marriage to Jesus.

Therefore, CC rules of marriage, in themselves, in the way I have described above, support OSAS ideas.

big grin

Ah, I see what you are saying.

So even if the person leaves Christ she is still married to Him.

And Christ will not turn his back on his Beloved.

True, dat.

However, when she leaves Christ, she has made her choice eternally (if she remains in rejection of Him at her death), and Christ, ever the gentleman, will NEVER force himself upon his beloved; and if she rejects him, Christ says, ever so sadly, “As you wish.”

 

[Porknpie]

Their parents put the blood on the doorpost in obedience to the instructions given them. But it was the slaughter of the lamb and shedding its blood that saved them.

Itwin,

The angel of death passed over the houses when the blood was seen on the door post. This was a “sign” that the those in the house had followed the Lord’s command to obey the Passover rite. The rite includes both killing and eating the lamb. Those that did so - and it appears all of Israel did so - were saved.

24 You shall observe this rite as a perpetual ordinance for you and your children.

Of course the Passover rite points to something infinitely greater in the New Testament. Jesus gave himself up as the lamb and directed us, very explicitly, to eat his body and drink his blood in the Eucharist. Why? So that we would be saved as well, just like those who participated in the original Passover.

53 So Jesus said to them, “Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; 55 for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. 56 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them.

PnP

 

[Jon_S_1]

I don’t think you read all my post, because you didn’t answer it.

I am comparing my marriage or our marriage with Jesus, to the CC rules of marriage.

1.A ccording to CC rules, only annulment can end a marriage, …correct?

2.Annulment can only occur if a a valid marriage did not take place in the first place.

3 CC lawyers only annul if one of the parties asks for an annulment.

Knowing Jesus and His love, I do not think He would ever ask for an annulment,
even if someone is ‘not in a valid marriage’ with Him.

Therefore, CC rules of marriage, in themselves, in the way I have described above, support OSAS ideas.

big grin

I haven’t been getting my notifications for this thread. Glad to see it’s still moving forward.

Being Saved,

I think it is erroneous to compare our individual relationship with Jesus to marriage. Christ has one spouse…the church as a whole. Not billions of individual spouses. I don’t see how you can say your comparison is Biblical.

OSAS is quite simply a lie of Satan that allows for apathy and complacency and ultimately damnation.

One need read the gospels to see Christ describe the opposite of OSAS.

 

[Per_Crucem]

I haven’t been getting my notifications for this thread. Glad to see it’s still moving forward.

Being Saved,

I think it is erroneous to compare our individual relationship with Jesus to marriage. Christ has one spouse…the church as a whole. Not billions of individual spouses. I don’t see how you can say your comparison is Biblical.

OSAS is quite simply a lie of Satan that allows for apathy and complacency and ultimately damnation.

One need read the gospels to see Christ describe the opposite of OSAS.

Indeed.

Christ is married to the Church as a whole. We, individually, are not the bride of Christ. We are members of the bride of Christ. It shouldn’t have to be stated, though unfortunately it does, that if we are no longer a part of the bride, then we are not in the spouse/bride relationship with respect to Jesus.

 

[PRmerger]

Indeed.

Christ is married to the Church as a whole. We, individually, are not the bride of Christ. We are members of the bride of Christ. It shouldn’t have to be stated, though unfortunately it does, that if we are no longer a part of the bride, then we are not in the spouse/bride relationship with respect to Jesus.

Actually, some of the greatest saints in Christendom do talk about their relationship with Christ as being nuptial.

Those who were closest to Him used marital imagery to describe their union. They were so close to Him that they were as One Flesh, united in the One Flesh Union of the Eucharist.

And St. Pope JPII also talked about our nuptial imagery in his magnificent Theology of the Body.

 

[FathersKnowBest]

this is not the case generally, the early church fathers do not really support one side or the other re the reformation, in any way that could be called full or unanimous…

They lived in a time long before there WERE any protestants. There were Arians, Montanists, Gnostics, etc. but no protestants. There was ONE Catholic Church.

they are divided about many things that Catholics hold dear,…and sometimes against what Catholics say are correct…

We should start a thread to discuss the many ways this is incorrect.

 

[Per_Crucem]

Actually, some of the greatest saints in Christendom do talk about their relationship with Christ as being nuptial.

Those who were closest to Him used marital imagery to describe their union. They were so close to Him that they were as One Flesh, united in the One Flesh Union of the Eucharist.

And St. Pope JPII also talked about our nuptial imagery in his magnificent Theology of the Body.

True. But I think this is spoken of by those men with the idea of their communal participation in the Church in mind, as opposed to individually, apart from their sacramental union with it.

 

[PRmerger]

True. But I think this is spoken of by those men with the idea of their communal participation in the Church in mind, as opposed to individually, apart from their sacramental union with it.

I don’t think so, PC.

Individually, St. Teresa of Avila viewed herself as the Spouse of Christ.

catholicfirst.com/thefaith/catholicclassics/stteresa/castle/interiorcastle01.html

As did St. John of the Cross.

As did the inspired author of the Song of Songs (reference to God as one’s Beloved, rather than Christ).

As did St. Pope John Paul II.

bigccatholics.com/2010/01/theology-of-body-nuptual-meaning-of.html