So let's talk about today's readings 1/16/09

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“they shall not enter into my rest”
God gives us all the opportunity we need to make our life
on this earth like a little heaven, yet so many times we find
it difficult to “enter into His rest”. Everyone at church knows
everything about God, yet there is unrest, because people
disagree and strive for their own way. It’s the same way in a
family. In fact, all Christians know about Jesus, yet they are
split in a “million” denominations – unrest. This reading
promises that believers Will enter into His rest, no matter how
long it takes…

The psalm says that we will tell His glorious deeds to the
generation to come. And who are those people who have yet
to be born? What shall we tell them about God? If we could
only say 3 glorious deeds that God has done to the next
generation, what would they be? Would they be things in our
own life or things from the Bible?

“It became known that He was at home” – Hey, didn’t He say
that the Son of Man has no where to rest His head? I thought
that meant He didn’t have a home. Did He buy a house in
Capernaum? Or maybe being a carpenter, built His own?
Or was His home really Peter’s or another apostle’s?

So He was in the house, “preaching the word” to them, and then
they lower down the paralytic. I would like to know just exactly
what He was saying at the moment the paralytic arrived. I’ll
bet that whatever it was, would be well remembered.

Now, in order to heal the man, Jesus says, “your sins are
forgiven”. This is very mysterious. How do we know which of
our medical conditions are caused
  1. by our own sins
  2. so that God’s power may be shown in our healing
  3. by the devil, with God’s opinion being “my grace is sufficient
    for you”
  4. just natural, a part of life
So what struck you about today’s readings?:bible1:
 
The story of the paralytic is one I love very much. It is such an example of intercession. The love of the paralytics friends prompts Jesus to go ahead and forgive the paralytic’s sins.
 
MarcoPolo said:
The story of the paralytic is one I love very much. It is such an example of intercession. The love of the paralytics friends prompts Jesus to go ahead and forgive the paralytic’s sins.
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Wow, I didn’t think of that. Do you think God might forgive
someone’s sins because others prayed for them?
 
cheeto1 said:
Wow, I didn’t think of that. Do you think God might forgive
someone’s sins because others prayed for them?
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I don’t know that God will forgive someone who is unrepentant, but the prayers of his peers may move God to apply more and more grace to the sinner. Also, this example shows how someone who is “unable” to properly confess in a sacramental way is forgiven through the Church. I look at it kind of the way the parents and godparents stand in proxy and provide the faith for an infant who is “unable” to properly have faith him/herself. I don’t know that what I’m saying is infallible, but that’s an inner message that I draw from the text. :o
 
MarcoPolo said:
I don’t know that God will forgive someone who is unrepentant, but the prayers of his peers may move God to apply more and more grace to the sinner. Also, this example shows how someone who is “unable” to properly confess in a sacramental way is forgiven through the Church. I look at it kind of the way the parents and godparents stand in proxy and provide the faith for an infant who is “unable” to properly have faith him/herself. I don’t know that what I’m saying is infallible, but that’s an inner message that I draw from the text. :o
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But how about free will? I mean although many people pray for someone but that person is still have free will whether he/she will accept God’s grace or not. I questions it to myself. So any opinion?
 
wina said:
But how about free will? I mean although many people pray for someone but that person is still have free will whether he/she will accept God’s grace or not. I questions it to myself. So any opinion?
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Indeed, that’s why I suggested God would not forgive someone who remained unrepentant. :o
 
MarcoPolo said:
Indeed, that’s why I suggested God would not forgive someone who remained unrepentant. :o
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But what if He did, just for that moment? I am now thinking of
the story of the adulteress who Jesus saved from stoning.
Did He forgive her at that moment, or just save her from the
stoning without forgiving her? He said to her, “go and sin no
more”. She may have been unrepentant and not listened to
this command, but she may have been forgiven for that moment
in time. What do you think?
 
cheeto1 said:
But what if He did, just for that moment? I am now thinking of
the story of the adulteress who Jesus saved from stoning.
Did He forgive her at that moment, or just save her from the
stoning without forgiving her? He said to her, “go and sin no
more”. She may have been unrepentant and not listened to
this command, but she may have been forgiven for that moment
in time. What do you think?
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Well, I think Jesus already knew that she have been repentant that time, and Jesus said to her not to sin no more just to remind her to be aware of sins.

What do you think?

And Marcopolo, those things will make us sad especially someone that we pray to repent is the one that we love.
Any suggestion?
 
wina said:
And Marcopolo, those things will make us sad especially someone that we pray to repent is the one that we love.
Any suggestion?
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The work can only be done by Christ. All we can do is pray and live the Gospel. But don’t think that’s not of the utmost value!
 
wina said:
Well, I think Jesus already knew that she have been repentant that time
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I think so too, and that He forgave her. But in the case of the
paralytic, do you think that when he picked up his mat and
walked, that that was evidence that he was repentent? So
many people were forgiven w/o saying they were sorry, like
the thief on the cross.
 
cheeto1 said:
I think so too, and that He forgave her. But in the case of the
paralytic, do you think that when he picked up his mat and
walked, that that was evidence that he was repentent? So
many people were forgiven w/o saying they were sorry, like
the thief on the cross.
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Yes, I think he was repentent. It’s better to say sorry in the heart and show it with action than just say it but meaningless.
 
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