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JoshuaIsLord
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Same here…
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abucs
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If one of the options proposed is political genius (as opposed to taking advice) and your comment of his non genius is not politically based but economic then you are changing the goalposts.He’s been running for President since 1980. Only a phony issue like birtherism propelled him to the Presidency. 6 bankruptcies and no U.S. bank will lend to him. Some genius.
I disagree that it was only birtherism that propelled him to the presidency.
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abucs
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I don’t think it is a mistake and when you say ‘absolutely no facts’ about Trump not taking advice without even engaging with what I have presented you make my point.abucs, one mistake that Trump supporters make is to think that people who don’t support Trump are filled with hate. I am not filled with hate and I am not deranged.
You have woven this entire narrative of Trump taking advice from others with absolutely no facts and contrary to reports. You are, like your guy, making things up.
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ProVobis
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I guess you can say that. I guess though I have a hard time separating the two from viewing all his interviews from the last 40 some years.
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PaulinVA
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You have presented opinion and faulty reasoning. Your posts are totally fact free.I don’t think it is a mistake and when you say ‘absolutely no facts’ about Trump not taking advice without even engaging with what I have presented you make my point.
Please post one example of Trump saying he took someone’s advice.
“My primary consultant is myself,” Donald Trump said back in March when asked whom he turns to for foreign policy advice. This turns out to be his approach to pretty much everything.
https://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-doesnt-listen/
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abucs
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Well you basically just proved it yourself. For Trump to say he is his primary consultant implies that he has other consultants apart from himself.You have presented opinion and faulty reasoning. Your posts are totally fact free.
Please post one example of Trump saying he took someone’s advice.
“My primary consultant is myself,” Donald Trump said back in March when asked whom he turns to for foreign policy advice. This turns out to be his approach to pretty much everything.
Respond to what I presented and stop bypassing it with rubbish phrases like fact free and faulty reasoning and then believing you can continue pretending it is not there.
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PaulinVA
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No. It. Doesn’t. And, whether he has consultants or advisors isn’t the issue. The issue is whether he takes their advice.Well you basically just proved it yourself. For Trump to say he is his primary consultant implies that he has other consultants apart from himself.
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Theo520
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Your article seems to contradict itself, if Trump does seek out people that can be appropriately confrontational with him. Clearly it doesn’t say he only hires ‘yes men’
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PaulinVA
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Surrounding yourself with conflicting opinions and taking advice are two different things, aren’t they?Your article seems to contradict itself, if Trump does seek out people that can be appropriately confrontational with him. Clearly it doesn’t say he only hires ‘yes men’
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grotto
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This is just more fake news.
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dvdjs
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Huh? …This is just more fake news.
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ProVobis
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Just Trump parrots.
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abucs
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You don’t have consultants unless you are going to listen to their advice so as to make decisions.No. It. Doesn’t. And, whether he has consultants or advisors isn’t the issue. The issue is whether he takes their advice.
The guy runs the Presidency, has a large family and a property empire among other things.
He employs a whole host of legal expert consultants both in criminal and corporate law. He has accountants and architects and marketeers etc. He has family members such as his wife and of course close friends.
He has government consultants in everything from what the income tax should be to how many staplers the White House needs. He has business consultants in everything from potential property acquisitions to what should be the interior decoration of his properties. He has legal consultants to advise on everything from the best way to buy foreign properties to whether he should talk to the Mueller investigation. He has family consultants for everything from where they should go on holiday to what they should have for dinner each night. I am sure over his life he has had a whole range of other consultants like medical advisors just like everyone else.
For a man that leads such a complex life it is humanly impossible not to listen to and sometimes take advice from others.
If we just take the construction of a building for example and list all of the decisions that need to be made, you cannot feasibly say that Trump makes all the decisions without taking the advice of others. It is humanly impossible Business is all about developing a system of human capital with various areas of expertise that all work together. Government functions like that and also on a much smaller scale do families.
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petra22
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Here is the problem with that. You want evidence supported by polls. We know that polls can be skewed to match whichever evidence you wish to support. Tell me you didn’t know that? I have studied statistical information and it can be picked apart to get almost any result you want… People can have opinions and instead of saying you have a right to have your opinion you say “prove it”.These propositions, the first in particular, are the sort of things that pollsters measure. I am not certain, especially in light of the various ways that pollsters might ask about “support”, that the proposition is incorrect. But IMO clear general propositions this kind should be supported by facts. This is not an opinion, it is not obvious; it should be supported.
There propositions are not vague The request for information, unlike the strawman scenarios that you created, have nothing to do with quibbling over phrasing.
One time I beat the high score on a video game and gloatingly showed my DH the scores. He turned off the computer (which killed the scores back in the olden days) and then shouted, “PROVE IT!”
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dvdjs
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People are entitled to their own opinions, whatever informs them.People can have opinions and instead of saying you have a right to have your opinion you say “prove it”.
People are not entitled to make up facts. The stated proposition was of factual nature, not an opinion.
Public pollsters have a professional interest in using sound methodology and developing a track record of accuracy. Some could, in principle, deliberately skew their results. Fortunately, there are meta-analyses that critique methodology and track reliability of the various public polls.We know that polls can be skewed to match whichever evidence you wish to support. Tell me you didn’t know that?
It seems to be the standard i these days of Trump., but not for a moment do I buy into this strange epistemology: nothing is knowable; most eveything is just an opinion; and the test of truth is ideological alignment. You can’t just make up stuff and expect people to accept it.
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