So Many Facutal Errors

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Clip of Trump’s Commencement Address at U.S. Naval Academy May 25, 2018 |
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4731522/factual-errors
Error #1: The $700B defense budget for FY18 is not the largest ever. It was larger under the Obama administration: $710B in FY11 and $714B in FY10. And that’s without adjusting for inflation!

Error #2: The number of ships in the Navy today is not the smallest since the end of WWI. We have 283 ships today, and in 2007 (Bush administration) we had 279.

Error #3: The Navy will not get to 355 ships “very soon.” The Navy’s 30-year plan says it will not get to that level until after 2050, but it could possibly be accelerated to the 2030s. Either way, it’s not very soon.

Error #4: Getting to 355 ships is not an increase of “a couple of hundred” ships. Here’s the math: 355 - 283 = 72

Error #5: The 355-ship fleet has not yet been “approved.” The ships have not all been authorized yet, and Congress appropriates the money one year at a time.

Error #6: This year’s military pay raise is not the first in ten years. There were pay raises in each of the past ten years, & some were higher than this year’s raise. FY09: 3.9% FY10: 3.4% FY11: 1.4% FY12: 1.6% FY13: 1.7% FY14: 1.0% FY15: 1.0% FY16: 1.3% FY17: 2.1% FY18: 2.4%
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These prepared remarks contain errors of fact that have no value other than falsely hyping the administration and falsely denigrating others. I don’t doubt that most of the fans will lap it up, but surely some still think that there is fundamental importance in the founder’s value: “I cannot tell a lie”.
 
His “base” doesn’t care about facts, and he always plays to his base…if you lie often enough, the lies become truth…at least for the susceptible who are emotionally driven rather than factually driven…which makes “fake news” an interesting claim.
 
If you like your Dr.,you can keep your Dr.
Families will realize an average savings of 2500.00 per year
Affordable Care Act
Nuff said…
 
Jeanne_S said:
If you like your Dr.,you can keep your Dr.
Families will realize an average savings of 2500.00 per year
Affordable Care Act
Nuff said…
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Not in the least - whataboutism notwithstanding.

We have been discussing ton a number of threads the differences between making a projection or a promise that is not realized - not good, but not a lie - and flat out saying things that are immediately known to be untrue. The is a vast difference between being wrong about something, and being a liar.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Obama did lie,Trump embellishes the facts huge ,difference.
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Show the lie. The ones you gave above are projections that turned out to be wrong.
Embellishing facts? Such ans when he says this is is the biggest, the first, the only when it is not. That would be the kind of lie sometimes known as a whopper.
 
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If that makes you feel better about Trump, you should stick to that idea. But I suspect that in your heart of heart you know better.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Obama did lie,Trump embellishes the facts huge ,difference.
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No offence, but “embellishing the facts” is the same thing as a lie, which Trump does do. Both promote falsehoods, spread “fake news” - I can’t see a difference.

As an aside, I wish someone would do this for the UK. I’ve said this on a previous thread, but I truly think it would be useful to keep track of what my government claims.
 
Embellishing about the number of navy ships as opposed to lying about something as monumental as healthcare and the resultant drain on ones’ finances are not the same thing.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Embellishing about the number of navy ships as opposed to lying about something as monumental as healthcare and the resultant drain on ones’ finances are not the same thing.
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I reject your claim that Obama lied about healthcare for reasons already stated but not responded to.
It doesn’t even make sense.

The lies that Trump made in his speech at Annapolis are ridiculous. His staff should have fact checked his speech to avoid appearing a few cards short of a full deck or pathological. They may be of little consequence - apart from conning voters, but this character trait probably will have consequences as his “embellished facts” lead in bad directions - in the area of “chain immigration” for example.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Embellishing about the number of navy ships as opposed to lying about something as monumental as healthcare and the resultant drain on ones’ finances are not the same thing.
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Mr. Obama made a good faith effort to make affordable healthcare available to more Americans and to reduce the overall cost of healthcare to the country by requiring insurance companies to include preventative care coverage for all policy holders.

Mr. Trump habitually plays fast and loose with the truth to feed his own insatiable ego, in my humble opinion.
 
I would think at the very least Obama could have gotten his facts straight re his signature piece of legislation before making promises he couldn’t keep
 
Jeanne_S said:
I would think at the very least Obama could have gotten his facts straight
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I assume that you realize that some things are easy to be certain about:
355-283 = 72 < “hundreds”.

Other things, like how many low risk consumers will opt into a particular health plan is not.
Overall, however unhappy you maybe about the plan, and whatever the deficiencies in the complex modelling and forecasting, it is still supported by most Americans. And it does disservice to any profitable discussion about healthcare, or political rhetoric, to talk about these deficiencies as “lies”.
 
Nah it’s not supported by a majority of Americans.Most are overwhelmed by the costs and underwhelmed by what they get for the exorbitant fees.Additionally,Obama’s real desire was and is single payer.ThisxACA was intentionally designed to fail.Just ask Gruber.
 
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