So Uncalled For

[F_Marturana]

First , earlier you were wrong to say that voters had no choice in the last election. Republican primary voters had the choice of several competent, conservative, and conscientious candidates with good character to choose from, and they rejected them all in favor of Trump.

Yes.

If people go back to the primaries and the Republican debates, he showed himself then. He’s the guy who spoke of his size in a debate, and still got picked.

:woman_facepalming:t2:

 

[Boatswain2PA]

He has done nothing but make the rich richer, jeopardize the healthcare of millions, appoint a pro-death Supreme Court Justice, kissed up to autocrats and white supremacists, offended our allies, undermined our privacy, destroyed net neutrality, gave corporations free reign to pour toxins into the environment, traumatized innocent children by separating them from their parents, obstructed justice, and attacked law enforcement and the media.

Sooo…i take it you don’t like him? Shocking.

All of those things are your opinions, which you are welcome to have. I think most of us have a different opinion of him, and most of America has woke up to the fact that, despite the names/accusations of leftist Democrats, Republicans are not evil nazis who want to throw grandma off the cliff while ripping children apart as they pour toxins into our pristine wilderness.

People have become desensitized to such hyperbolic accusations. The real danger to this is that when a truly evil person, such as a REAL Hitler, comes along, nobody will listen to the leftists/elite media if they do try to warn us.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

The Trump Company is making TONS OF MONEY by the Donald being president. His salary represents an insignificant amount of what he is making from being president.

Please source this. I’ve heard people say this, but have read nothing about it beyond Trump hotels renting space to government agencies/etc…something that other Presidents/VPs have done as well. No, I don’t like it, but I think it would be hyperbole to say he’s making “TONS OF MONEY” that way, nor is it outside the realm of normalcy.

Other than that, how is Trump Company making TONS OF MONEY off his Presidency?

 

[Annie]

You’re right about his salary as president: hevhas been donating it all: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1341/take-no-salary/

As for the rest, what’s sauce for the goose…

 

[Boatswain2PA]

which Trump would know nothing about because he has never done either.

Apparently you missed my earlier post: So You Think You Know the Real Donald Trump? | Snopes.com

 

[ProVobis]

To be fair, Trump’s net worth has dropped $1 billion since 2016. How he managed that in his booming economy is anyone’s guess. His name brand seems to be sinking as well. If they take his name off buildings he doesn’t own and the banks call in their loans to him, the guy will be happy collecting his pension.

 

[grotto]

No big deal - what is so perfectly clear about using “a thousand points of light” as an inspiration. Maybe he meant it was a very bright light?

 

[dvdjs]

I think most of us have a different opinion of him, and most of America has

Still under 50% approval and over 50% disapproval.

People have become desensitized to such hyperbolic accusations

The " evil Nazi" is like the “Cheeto-man” stuff: over-amplified outrage about some yahoo’s comment.
I suppose that we could start threads every time some racist, nativist, or homophobe does or says something something stupid, then post a comment leap to some generalization about the"right". But you don’t see much, if any, of that here. Maybe there should be some: just for balance.

People have become desensitized. Very much so. A review of Trump’s Montana rally, the marvelled at the falsehoods, incoherence, name-calling, etc. closed with this:

Any number of Trump’s statements on Thursday would have elicited a firestorm three, or two, or maybe even one year ago. Today, they’re good for a shrug. Maybe that’s a sign that the American people are becoming inured to Trump’s falsehoods and distortions. Or maybe it’s a sign the magic is wearing off.

What Is the Point of a Trump Rally in 2018?

Beginning about three years ago, the president’s tour stops became the most riveting spectacle on earth, but the formula feels increasingly stale.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Theo520]

No big deal - what is so perfectly clear about using “a thousand points of light” as an inspiration. Maybe he meant it was a very bright light?

“a thousand points of light” might make a good slogan for United Way,

but it was horrible and irrelevant for a major political campaign.
It tells you nothing about the person or how they are going to govern.

Anyone with a background in marketing should confirm this.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

Watch any news source other than Fox and other Right Wing Nutcasts and you will see plenty of stories about this

I have read plenty of opinion pieces that said so, but I havnt read any actual specifics. Oh, and I get my news from multiple sources, both left and right…and never seen any specifics.

Can you please provide some? Legit request, not baitng you (like is so common here).

 

[Annie]

Did you read the link? It wasn’t written by friends of Trump or anything. He is giving away his salary as President every quarter.

 

[PetraG]

I can’t read all of these answers, but will just say he is impulsive

dd

Seems to me that if I work to earn money, and then give some of that money away, I have worked for zero pay during that time.

OK, but he’s never worked for a wage, either. He started with a substantial stake from his father–sorry, Mr. Trump, but no one but you thinks that having a million to work with from Dad is a small stake–and has invested wealth since he started. He plays golf and I think he still plays tennis occasionally, but I don’t know if he does any work with his hands.

You may say, fine, he helped an employee, but there are other stories of his helping complete strangers. This woman’s video is particularly moving.

No, that is a charitable act. Of course it is. It just isn’t volunteering to do work.

I’m honestly trying to figure out an explanation for how he could possibly not get “what the hell was that.” How can someone not get what that means?

Trump is not really a poetic guy. The fact that the 1000 points of light did not move him is not really worth all the angst you are putting into it. I don’t think he was referring to volunteerism but the slogan.

Well, that is the thing. He brought it up and he put angst into it. If he can ask “what the hell was that, by the way?” then surely the rest of us can, too, right?

With regards to the President’s choice to reel up an old slogan from a previous President having to do with volunteerism and act as if he doesn’t understand it, I’m asking those who feel they understand him (in a positive way)…“Has anyone ever figured that one out?”

 

[Theo520]

No, that is a charitable act. Of course it is. It just isn’t volunteering to do work.

If you committed to give away the money in advance, it really is volunteering.
Deciding to give it away after the fact would be more like charity.

 

[Annie]

Well, I think he just didn’t “get” the phrase.

Hey, maybe he just thought it should have been a Thousand Billion Points of Light–that a mere thousand was just too small a number, not inspiring enough

 

[F_Marturana]

President Johnson was part owner of Howard Johnson’s with Moe Howard from the 3 Stooges.

That’s quite funny. Imagine the board meetings!

 

[petra22]

Prayers said for you today…

 

[PetraG]

This is now THREE false narratives you have perpetuated on this topic in order to malign HRC and excuse Trump & his supporters - two in this comment alone. Let me repeat the truth so as to set the record straight.

First , earlier you were wrong to say that voters had no choice in the last election. Republican primary voters had the choice of several competent, conservative, and conscientious candidates with good character to choose from, and they rejected them all in favor of Trump. That makes them entirely responsible for the damage he is doing to this nation’s democratic principles and moral standing in the world.

Falsehood is a pretty strong characterization for a difference of opinion, friend.

I vote in Oregon. By the time our primary came along, the nominees were chosen. As for the number of GOP hopefuls, by the way, that could have been what got Trump the nomination. Out of all those GOP hopefuls, there was exactly one who had 100% name recognition. People who couldn’t pick any Supreme Court justice out of a line-up still knew his name. He made sure they remembered him and talked about him. He used his vast advantage in name recognition to his advantage.

Hillary Clinton did not have that handicap. Everyone knew who she was. Hillary Clinton neglected to campaign in places where she thought she wasn’t liked, though. Trump went everywhere. He sucked up to everyone. She, I am sorry, acted as if people ought to be sucking up to her and her superior intellect. That is how she came off to people she hadn’t won over, whether you or she accepts that or not. She lost rural districts 20-80 that Obama had only lost 40-60…and that adds up. She piled on votes where she didn’t need them, in places like California, but never figured out how to get the votes of people who make their living by sweating, particularly those whites who have never had the privileges she seems to think all whites can take for granted. (Cont)

 

[PetraG]

Second , in this comment you make the false claim that Clinton presented herself in a negative light, when in fact Clinton and her campaign had to contend with an unprecedented and concerted attack by a foreign adversary to undermine her character and legitimacy as a candidate. It is an established fact that in the 2016 election, Russia used the full force of it’s propaganda capacity and cyber crimes to hurt her campaign and help Donald Trump, including using stolen data on US citizens in order produce targeted ads & news feeds.

No, no, no. Hillary Clinton doesn’t get to blame the Russians that she was not ever a widely-liked candidate. The “basket of deplorables” comment alone put her in a negative light, even eclipsing her infamous "I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was to fulfil my profession, which I entered before my husband was in public life,” which was about as tone-deaf as a characterization of stay-at-home mothers can get. Those, however, were just symptomatic of a greater problem she had with ever striking a positive tone as a candidate, particularly among whites who do not share her privileged background.

I don’t see how anyone can fail to see how her reliably superior demeanor gave her a reputation as a “Sister Bertha Better Than You.” So no, I am not buying that her negative reputation has to do with smears from the Russians any more than I think Ted Cruz could blame his negatives on Trump. Among the people I know who would not vote for HRC under any circumstances, it was all her and her low view of people who aren’t thrilled to have her running their lives. How on earth did Barack Obama come out of nowhere to beat her, having far less of a resume? It is because of how many people liked him and didn’t like her.

I have called every Presidential election since before I started voting based on which candidate I thought someone with a manual labor job would choose to have a beer with. So far, that metric has not failed.

Third, a swing state is by definition an election decided by undecided voters. Sorry, but once again, let me tell you as an Oregon voter that no undecided voters in my state had a thing to do with deciding the election. What the Republicans and voters who were undecided did on Election Day was destined to make ZERO difference, because Clinton was polling at essentially 50% or better from about August on. We could all vote for Kasich, for all the difference it was going to make in the overall outcome of the general election (and so some of us did).

 

[petra22]

First , earlier you were wrong to say that voters had no choice in the last election. Republican primary voters had the choice of several competent, conservative, and conscientious candidates with good character to choose from, and they rejected them all in favor of Trump. That makes them entirely responsible for the damage he is doing to this nation’s democratic principles and moral standing in the world.

Second , in this comment you make the false claim that Clinton presented herself in a negative light, when in fact Clinton and her campaign had to contend with an unprecedented and concerted attack by a foreign adversary to undermine her character and legitimacy as a candidate. It is an established fact that in the 2016 election, Russia used the full force of it’s propaganda capacity and cyber crimes to hurt her campaign and help Donald Trump, including using stolen data on US citizens in order produce targeted ads & news feeds.

Third , undecided voters in 2016 did not view Clinton more negatively than Donald Trump. Despite the unprecedented negative campaign against her by the Russians, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by a healthy 2.1% margin or nearly 3 million votes. Trump was only able to squeak out an electoral victory by razor thin margins in 3 swing states that total to about 107,000 votes.

You lied three times in this post according to my memory.
First, by the time the vote came to me and my state there were only two to choose from. The media had given DT all the attention and all the others dropped out.
Second, HRC presented herself in a negative light when she refused to campaign in certain states, had no new plans for moving forward other than more years of the past 8.
Third We don’t elect President on popular vote we vote by majority of states, so that my state counts just as much as yours does. So DT won the majority of STATES.

Setting the record straight.

 

[petra22]

Seems like he was enticed to make these statements. Another candidate brought up some slurs. Most of the time refined Republicans take it on the chin, McCain, Romney come to mind. Trump fights back. He’s a New Yorker, right?