So what should we personally do about parent/child separation?

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LeafByNiggle said:
Nice ad hominem about the “Obama guy.” Never mind that he was closer to the issue than most of us will ever be and was in a position to know better than any of us what was going on. When you look at a family unit and watch the body language and witness the interactions you can tell there is love there. If he says they were familes that is good enough for me.
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You are still deflecting. Calling someone an 'Obama guy" when he worked for Obama is descriptive, not ad hominem. Or is “guy” an insult that I’m not aware of?

Yes, he should know what happened but even you acknowledged he had no facts to back him up. All he expressed was opinion, that incidentally is self serving. Facts matter and he admitted they didn’t verify familial relationships.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
Nice ad hominem about the “Obama guy.” Never mind that he was closer to the issue than most of us will ever be and was in a position to know better than any of us what was going on. When you look at a family unit and watch the body language and witness the interactions you can tell there is love there. If he says they were familes that is good enough for me.
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You are still deflecting. Calling someone an 'Obama guy" when he worked for Obama is descriptive, not ad hominem.
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You clearly introduced that fact to undercut the man’s statements, even coupling it with "And Obama was famous for…open borders. Yup. Ad hominem.
Yes, he should know what happened but even you acknowledged he had no facts to back him up. All he expressed was opinion…
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A very educated opinion because he was there and saw the families. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, things are what they seem to be. (A saying about quacking ducks comes to mind.) I think the extraordinary position that those families are sex traffickers needs to be supported, not the common sense statement that families really are families. So where is your data on how many familes applying for asylum and looking and behaving just like families, turned out to be sex traffickers?
 
JonNC said:
“What should we do?” Is a question that was conveniently ignored during the last administration.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/

What should we do? Keep families together for their immediate journey home. Resolve asylum requests as quickly as possible, hopefully with the 20 day limit set by the courts.
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Great idea! But Trump said he didn’t want any more judge to decide those asylum requests. If we got enough judges we could resolve the asylum requests in less than 20 days.
 
I guess here is a good place to put this:

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It’s a letter from a mom to her daughter. They are separated she is trying to get reunited.

She prays that God protects her daughter and covers her in His Precious Blood.

Lord have mercy on us.
 
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At another hearing before a different judge, as one of my colleagues asked the agent on the stand about the whereabouts of my client’s child, the prosecutor objected to the relevance of the questions. The judge turned on the prosecutor, demanding to know why this wasn’t relevant. At one point, he slammed his hand on the desk, sending a pen flying. This type of emotional display is unheard of in federal court. I can’t understand this, the judge said. If someone at the jail takes your wallet, they give you a receipt. They take your kids, and you get nothing? Not even a slip of paper?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...019fcfe4_story.html?__twitter_impression=true
 
I find it very, very encouraging that so many Americans are willing to help these very vulnerable people:

For the last 30 years, RAICES (Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services) has provided legal services to immigrants across Texas, through their six offices located in Austin, Corpus Christi, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston and San Antonio. In 2017, their staff of 130 attorneys and staff members closed 51,000 legal cases for free for their clients.

They have two key goals at this time: directly fund bond to allow parents to reclaim their detained children, and ensure legal representation for every separated family and every unaccompanied child in Texas’ immigration courts (last year, 76% of kids (over 13,000!) did not have representation).

 
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JonNC:
“What should we do?” Is a question that was conveniently ignored during the last administration.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/

What should we do? Keep families together for their immediate journey home. Resolve asylum requests as quickly as possible, hopefully with the 20 day limit set by the courts.
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Great idea! But Trump said he didn’t want any more judge to decide those asylum requests. If we got enough judges we could resolve the asylum requests in less than 20 days.
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As it stands, it might take longer than 20 days. In that case, the only two viable choices are to detain them separately or send them home.
I like the idea of more judges. I do oppose foreign nationals crosses our borders illegally
 
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LeafByNiggle:
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JonNC:
“What should we do?” Is a question that was conveniently ignored during the last administration.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/

What should we do? Keep families together for their immediate journey home. Resolve asylum requests as quickly as possible, hopefully with the 20 day limit set by the courts.
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Great idea! But Trump said he didn’t want any more judge to decide those asylum requests. If we got enough judges we could resolve the asylum requests in less than 20 days.
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As it stands, it might take longer than 20 days. In that case, the only two viable choices are to detain them separately or send them home.
I like the idea of more judges. I do oppose foreign nationals crosses our borders illegally
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But why accept the situation of too few immigration judges just because that’s “how things stand” right now.

Also, keep in mind that 96% to 98% of asylum seekers released with an ankle bracelet and a court date do show up for their court date. So this “lock-em all up” policy is creating a problem that did not need to be created.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
But why accept the situation of too few immigration judges just because that’s “how things stand” right now.

Also, keep in mind that 96% to 98% of asylum seekers released with an ankle bracelet and a court date do show up for their court date. So this “lock-em all up” policy is creating a problem that did not need to be created.
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It is the same policy that Obama had. Those pictures that started this faux crisis came from 2014.
It is a reality regarding the number of judges, whether you or I accept it or not.
It isn’t a lock-um-all-up policy. It is a refusal to go back to a “catch and release” policy. That’s what progressives want.
Yesterday the complaint was the children were held in a separate area while their parents were detained for breaking the law. Now the complaint is they are being detained together, an indication that this is not about the kids or families, it is about open borders.
 
I’d say we’d be able to find a lot more common ground as Catholics if folks would stop using bogus pictures to make their cases, and stop acting as though the crisis of migration began in 2018. It is much easier to work together and find solutions, especially as Catholics, if we feel as though we aren’t being lied to.
 
Dr_Meinheimer said:
I’d say we’d be able to find a lot more common ground as Catholics if folks would stop using bogus pictures to make their cases, and stop acting as though the crisis of migration began in 2018. It is much easier to work together and find solutions, especially as Catholics, if we feel as though we aren’t being lied to.
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I don’t think one has to be Catholic for this to be appealing. Thank you for saying this.
 
Agreed, this is just basic human relations. It’s a pity we can’t see it more on these boards
 
JonNC said:
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LeafByNiggle:
But why accept the situation of too few immigration judges just because that’s “how things stand” right now.

Also, keep in mind that 96% to 98% of asylum seekers released with an ankle bracelet and a court date do show up for their court date. So this “lock-em all up” policy is creating a problem that did not need to be created.
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It is the same policy that Obama had.
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No, it isn’t. The Obama policy only locked them up if they were caught doing some other crime in addition to crossing the border, such as carrying drugs. It was not the zero-tolerance policy currently in effect. Yes, I know the pictures were from the Obama era, but that is not a defense of what Trump was doing. And the pictures were not the only evidence that caused world-wide outrage.
It is a reality regarding the number of judges, whether you or I accept it or not.
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It is a reality that Trump made a deliberate decision to maintain. When Ted Cruz proposed more judges, Trump said “I don’t want judges!” Look it up.
It is a refusal to go back to a “catch and release” policy.
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A policy that works at least 96% of the time, if the hearing is scheduled in a timely manner. But that policy did not allow Geo Group and CoreCivic, big time Trump donors, to benefit from the outsourced detention facilities that are now benefiting big time from having more incarcerations. Follow the money.
Yesterday the complaint was the children were held in a separate area while their parents were detained for breaking the law.
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Actually the complaint today is that there is no process in place to quickly reunite the many many children already shipped all over the country. The abuse continues even if no more separations are done.
 
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Borders on sacrilegious. To use Christ’s words to promote a political agenda. To use the children as pawns in a political agenda is almost as bad.
Simply immoral

And regarding the depiction of Sessions and the ice officer, the creator seems to have no knowledge of the 8th Commandment
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
Actually the complaint today is that there is no process in place to quickly reunite the many many children already shipped all over the country. The abuse continues even if no more separations are done.
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Actually the complaint is that Trump is standing in the way of open borders. How dare he defend American sovereignty.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
It is a reality that Trump made a deliberate decision to maintain. When Ted Cruz proposed more judges, Trump said “I don’t want judges!” Look it up.
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I voted for Ted Cruz. I suspect the anti-sovereignty open borders crowd would not have, by and large.
LeafByNiggle said:
A policy that works at least 96% of the time, if the hearing is scheduled in a timely manner.
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That’s why we have upwards of 20 million foreign nationals in the country illegally.
 
JonNC said:
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LeafByNiggle:
A policy that works at least 96% of the time, if the hearing is scheduled in a timely manner.
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That’s why we have upwards of 20 million foreign nationals in the country illegally.
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That’s not a contradiction. Most of the illegal immigrants in the country right now were not even captured, let alone given an ankle bracelet and the court date. Fact check “catch and release” by NBC News:
DO THESE IMMIGRANTS DODGE COURT DATES AND STAY IN THE U.S.?
Yes, and no. Some people do skip court hearings: In cases that began in fiscal year 2017, 3,167 UACs were given removal orders after failing to appear at a court hearing, according to the Syracuse data.

But far more show up for court. Over the last 13 years, more than twice as many cases were resolved with immigrants in court rather than in absentia, according to the Syracuse data. What’s more, nearly all UACs show up when they have attorneys. Just 75 represented UACs were found in absentia, out of more than 54,036 overall cases from fiscal year 2017.

Gilman said informed families are likely to show up for court hearings, and families with representation are even more likely.
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