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I appologized early, to say if you felt bad dont take anything to offense, dont twist my words up.You seem to go straight at my throat in anger. What have I done for all of you to look at me this way? I saw what you put on the thread from the ccc and it dosent seem to point out your opinion or fact since you implyed it is. Post some solid “fact” proof that can be checked and if random/sinful thoughts are ok then I am willing to admit im wrong. All of you who outnumber me seem to circle me with anger just because you tell me an opinion on whats sin and whats not sin. Jesus never said anything about it being ok to have random sinful thoughts. I never said my interpretation is the authoritive one for the church. My opinion is compareable to yours, you said your opinion when you quoted the ccc but no legitimate fact was proven that your point is true “considering I look at things from both sides of the story”. I never seemed angry or frustrated in any of my posts. Why? Its because if I were wrong I would be willing to admit it. If it were ok for random/sinful thoughts wouldnt Jesus say it in the adultry referance i pointed out. Never did I say I am 100% correct, this is the forums right, a place were people share their thoughts and opinions. In #30 of this thread I realy believed tom because I saw things from his point of view, but when I thought about it, why would i feel guilty if its ok? <–nobody answered that question and I asked it more then once. Wether you live a life of gang violence or told to do somthing wrong, you still know if its wrong because your consciense would tell you. Even if a human said its ok why would i go against my consciense. Even Flick427 felt bad in his consciense. I checked the evidance provided and it dosent seem to speak of sinful/random thoughts being ok. I never said this -->impure thought automatically equals fully culpable lust. Why are you putting words in my mouth? Its not a mortal sin, but its still a sin or atleast to me it is. Fraggle read your older posts you seemed to admit it, heres the quote from post #21 you’re assuming that everyone you disagree is saying that such thoughts are “completely ok,” which they’re not, out of misinterpretation of their posts. But now the tables are turned, you suddenly take the side you started off with? Sorry again, if I upset anyone on this thread. I didnt say anything negative to anyone, so why should I get treated this way?
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Your point seems to be completely incorect sexual impurity would possibly come from lust if I had to choose what sin it comes from. Not anger or pride, why would anyone want to have sex and say its my anger or pride that caused it.<-- I underlined sexual impuritys for this reason. Why would anyone be angry and say im going shoplifting? If im trying to prove a point does that mean im mentally controlling? The forums are made for people who need opinions or ask questions on certain subjects. Is a priest or an apologist mentaly controling because he or she answers questions? Dont judge me because of my opinions, saying You want to be controlling mentally is judging me because you dont know the nature of my responses. Who am I to say what a sin is, believe me or dont believe me, thats what forums are about. I am a sinner just like everyone else in the forums. Im trying to tell whats right, not what I want. Like I said il admit im wrong when someone proves me wrong. befor judging me, everyone look at my side of the story not only yours . All of us are held accountable for everything we say, not by the forums but by God himself. Thats why, if I said anything wrong I ask for forgiveness from all of you.
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I can accept that. But the problem is that by simply mentioning it, it looks to the reader like a cheap debate tactic that implies that your debate opponent’s answers are emotionally charged and hence their capacity for rational discourse is impaired. I can’t speak for others, but I am unaware of anything I’ve written that warrants even bringing it up as a possibility.
Also, yes I was rendering an opinion and thought I made it clear when I said things like “let me suggest…”, I freely admit that. I don’t see a problem here.
Anyway, I am going to prepare a closing remark on this. Stay tuned.
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Scott Waddell said:
Amen! This basicly says sin can not harm those who dont allow it to. So basicly if I never allowed myself to fall by the grace of God I wouldnt be caught up by it. Nowhere during this paragraph does it state random/sinful thoughts are not sins. Your right this is a different meaning compared to the oxford dictionary.In this it basicly says ** it cannot harm those who do not consent** but manfully resist it by the grace of Jesus Christ meaning it canot harm those who resist it, “dont allow it”. If it was wrong you would resist it meaning you have knowlage of the wrong in it.
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Ok found what I was looking for. Consider this my last post on this subject.
This is from the Online Catholic Encyclopedia at New Advent and is written with reference to Aquinas. Here is the link: newadvent.org/cathen/14004b.htm
Scroll down to section III entitled, “Mortal Sin”, scroll a little futher to a subsection, called “Subject causes of Sin”. Here is the quote in which I will bold and underline certain parts for emphasis:
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This is from the Online Catholic Encyclopedia at New Advent and is written with reference to Aquinas. Here is the link: newadvent.org/cathen/14004b.htm
Scroll down to section III entitled, “Mortal Sin”, scroll a little futher to a subsection, called “Subject causes of Sin”. Here is the quote in which I will bold and underline certain parts for emphasis:
If you want to look at the actual Aquinas quote, the link is here: newadvent.org/summa/207407.htm and is covered especially in replies to objections 3 and 4.
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Just to make things short let me quote #30 of this thread
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. Thank you all for more knowledge and understanding. Thanks Scott Wadell I hope to see you and everyone again possibly in another thread. Note: everything I say is my opinion unless stated as a fact. It was great talking to every single person in this thread, i guess this pretty much sums up everything on this subject. God bless all of you.
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I guess this all makes sense, I stand corrected
. Thank you all for more knowledge and understanding. Thanks Scott Wadell I hope to see you and everyone again possibly in another thread. Note: everything I say is my opinion unless stated as a fact. It was great talking to every single person in this thread, i guess this pretty much sums up everything on this subject. God bless all of you.
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you know, unless a poster demonstrates obvious rudeness or “fighting words,” i’m starting to think that any perceived “anger” from another poster may be more of our own neurotic imaginings than actual reality.
just from my personal experience:
i don’t have a whole lot of patience, but i try my darnedness to be polite and respectful, although i’m occasionally guilty of blowing my top. yet still, i get a lot of people in past message boards thinking i’m a self-righteous, over-zealous feminazi ***** or a very irrate guy (as in, male, not female). and i often have no idea how on earth they interpret that about me from just my posts, even in posts that i deliberately try to use as neutral words as possible…
so moral of the story: let’s try to give people more benefit of a doubt and not risk making new enemies.
just from my personal experience:
i don’t have a whole lot of patience, but i try my darnedness to be polite and respectful, although i’m occasionally guilty of blowing my top. yet still, i get a lot of people in past message boards thinking i’m a self-righteous, over-zealous feminazi ***** or a very irrate guy (as in, male, not female). and i often have no idea how on earth they interpret that about me from just my posts, even in posts that i deliberately try to use as neutral words as possible…
so moral of the story: let’s try to give people more benefit of a doubt and not risk making new enemies.
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I think so too fraggle but I think thats completly off subject, nice to hear from you again tho. Hope to see you again my friends.
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I think I’m subscribed to about three threads on chastity-related topics, but since this was the easiest to find, I’ll just post it here. I had an insight today about chaste courtship that I’m sure everyone else has already had, but what the heck. I’m always the last to know…
Anyway, I was thinking if you are dating a girl, and the usual temptations come up, remind yourself that you might be dating someone else’s wife. If you’ve got any conscience, you’ll think twice before trying to “touch something you ain’t got.” The only thing “new” about this is the second part of my insight–you should not only think of her as possibly someone else’s future wife, but think of her potential husband as somebody you’d respect–a buddy, a guy you could just have beers with, etc.
If THAT doesn’t stop you from getting the gropey thoughts, well, you’re probably not even cruising these forums.
Like I said, it’s not real original, but it’s like the light from a nuclear blast for me…
Anyway, I was thinking if you are dating a girl, and the usual temptations come up, remind yourself that you might be dating someone else’s wife. If you’ve got any conscience, you’ll think twice before trying to “touch something you ain’t got.” The only thing “new” about this is the second part of my insight–you should not only think of her as possibly someone else’s future wife, but think of her potential husband as somebody you’d respect–a buddy, a guy you could just have beers with, etc.
If THAT doesn’t stop you from getting the gropey thoughts, well, you’re probably not even cruising these forums.
Like I said, it’s not real original, but it’s like the light from a nuclear blast for me…
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