SoCal Churches Provide Temporary Shelter, "Spiritual Food" for Immigrants

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It puzzles me how we can read the Sermon on the Mount & the Beatitudes and agree wholeheartedly with Our Lord: “Oh yes, Jesus, when you are a stranger in our midst, and hungry and without shelter, we will take you in!” Now when Our Lord comes to us in the form of real people in need from across the border, we become filled with fear and nationalistic pride. His words no longer apply when it really matters.
Who is “we”? The people who are against illegal immigration are not against helping all strangers or migrants. They are against government irresponsibility and people trespassing into the country,some of whom are dangerous criminals.
 
The diocese of Los Angeles is not the government.
I didn’t say it was.
And no, you do not have the correct definition of socialism. Socialism is not the belief in government aid. It is the belief that the government should exercise direct control over the economy and business and is condemned by the Catholic Church. Bishops are not socialist any more than they could be atheists. It makes no sense.
Socialism is not limited to that definition. It is also a materialistic ideology of social organization,and the modern welfare state,and the belief that the government should have the responsibility of providing for the needs of the people. The magisterium has rejected this kind of government and ideology as well as government control over the economy and businesses.
 
People who think the government should be feeding and housing the homeless think along the lines of socialism rather than with the mind of Christ.
If individual people who call themselves Christians thought with the mind of Christ instead of along the lines of capitalism then the government wouldn’t need to be involved at all. As it stands, the government hast to financially support Christian charities to make them viable and step into the humanitarian fray itself.
 
If individual people who call themselves Christians thought with the mind of Christ instead of along the lines of capitalism then the government wouldn’t need to be involved at all. As it stands, the government hast to financially support Christian charities to make them viable and step into the humanitarian fray itself.
It isn’t because of capitalism that many Christians don’t help the poor as they should. It’s just lack of charity and compassion.

Christian charities do not need the financial support of the government to be viable. They need government support to expand their operations and pay for high-salaried employees and new equipment and other business expenses. If they trusted in God and prayed for his help,they would receive whatever they need from him through people apart from government.
 
These people are breaking the law. They are sacrificing their children for GREED. They could LEGALLY enter but, NO!! This is morally wrong and their blood is on our hands because we are enabling them. We are also exposing our own kids to disease. This is wrong and is inhumane- not only to our citizens, but by our encouragement, we are exposing children to death and rape because of their parents’ greed for more money.
 
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Socialism is not limited to that definition. … The magisterium has rejected this kind of government and ideology as well as government control over the economy and businesses.
No, the Church has not. The Church has rejected socialism, not socialism as redefined willy-nilly by anyone that comes along. Words have real, concrete meanings in Church documents. May I remind you that it is the Church that is stepping up and helping these people, or did you even read the topic of this thread before you started posting?
 
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It puzzles me how we can read the Sermon on the Mount & the Beatitudes and agree wholeheartedly with Our Lord: “Oh yes, Jesus, when you are a stranger in our midst, and hungry and without shelter, we will take you in!” Now when Our Lord comes to us in the form of real people in need from across the border, we become filled with fear and nationalistic pride. His words no longer apply when it really matters.
This is not only judgmental (as in rash), it is also extremely naive. So you have the intricacies of governmental ideology which affects the future of *entire *nations and all peoples figured out? Do you also advocate chaos and anarchy?
 
Yes. I agree with Tigg. Why is the Catholic Church so permissive towards unauthorized immigration? Could it be so that the Catholic Church maintains its high Latino numbers?
The Catholic Church is compassionate towards a poor and needy regardless of where they came from.
 
This is all that is happening in this article.

Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ - Jesus
 
This is not only judgmental (as in rash), it is also extremely naive. So you have the intricacies of governmental ideology which affects the future of *entire *nations and all peoples figured out? Do you also advocate chaos and anarchy?
I advocate helping people in need. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
No, the Church has not. The Church has rejected socialism, not socialism as redefined willy-nilly by anyone that comes along. Words have real, concrete meanings in Church documents.
The popes did not limit socialism to total government control over the economy and businesses. They recognized it also as a theory of society and as the welfare state.

Pope Leo XII,Rerum Novarum:

“Man’s needs do not die out, but forever recur; although satisfied today, they demand fresh supplies for tomorrow. Nature accordingly must have given to man a source that is stable and remaining always with him, from which he might look to draw continual supplies. And this stable condition of things he finds solely in the earth and its fruits. There is no need to bring in the State. Man precedes the State, and possesses, prior to the formation of any State, the right of providing for the substance of his body.”

“At the present day many there are who, like the heathen of old, seek to blame and condemn the Church for such eminent charity. They would substitute in its stead a system of relief organized by the State. But no human expedients will ever make up for the devotedness and self sacrifice of Christian charity. Charity, as a virtue, pertains to the Church.”

PIUS XI (1922-1939):

We make this pronouncement: Whether considered as a doctrine, or an historical fact, or a movement, Socialism, if it remains truly Socialism, even after it has yielded to truth and justice on the points which we have mentioned, cannot be reconciled with the teachings of the Catholic Church because its concept of society itself is utterly foreign to Christian truth.”
(Encyclical Quadragesimo Anno, May 15, 1931, n. 117)

JOHN XXIII (1958-1963):
“Pope Pius XI further emphasized the fundamental opposition between Communism and Christianity, and made it clear that no Catholic could subscribe even to moderate Socialism. The reason is that Socialism is founded on a doctrine of human society which is bounded by time and takes no account of any objective other than that of material well-being. Since, therefore, it proposes a form of social organization which aims solely at production, it places too severe a restraint on human liberty, at the same time flouting the true notion of social authority.” (Encyclical Mater et Magistra, May 15, 1961, n. 34)

Pope John Paul 2,Centesimus Annus,1991:

“In recent years the range of such intervention has vastly expanded, to the point of creating a new type of state, the so-called ‘Welfare State.’ This has happened in some countries in order to respond better to many needs and demands by remedying forms of poverty and deprivation unworthy of the human person. However, excesses and abuses, especially in recent years, have provoke very harsh criticisms of the Welfare State, dubbed the ‘Social Assistance State.’ Malfunctions and defects in the Social Assistance State are the result of an inadequate understanding of the tasks proper to the State. Here again the principle of subsidiarity must be respected: a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to coordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good. “By intervening directly and depriving society of its responsibility, the Social Assistance State leads to a loss of human energies and an inordinate increase of public agencies, which are dominated more by bureaucratic thinking than by concern for serving their clients, and which are accompanied by an enormous increase in spending, In fact, it would appear that needs are best understood and satisfied by people who are closest to them who act as neighbors to those in need. It should be added that certain kinds of demands often call for a response which is not simply material but which is capable of perceiving the deeper human need.”

May I remind you that it is the Church that is stepping up and helping these people, or did you even read the topic of this thread before you started posting?
 
The popes did not limit socialism to total government control over the economy and businesses. They recognized it also as a theory of society and as the welfare state.

Pope Leo XII,Rerum Novarum:

“Man’s needs do not die out, but forever recur; although satisfied today, they demand fresh supplies for tomorrow. Nature accordingly must have given to man a source that is stable and remaining always with him, from which he might look to draw continual supplies. And this stable condition of things he finds solely in the earth and its fruits. There is no need to bring in the State. Man precedes the State, and possesses, prior to the formation of any State, the right of providing for the substance of his body.”

“At the present day many there are who, like the heathen of old, seek to blame and condemn the Church for such eminent charity. They would substitute in its stead a system of relief organized by the State. But no human expedients will ever make up for the devotedness and self sacrifice of Christian charity. Charity, as a virtue, pertains to the Church.”

PIUS XI (1922-1939):

We make this pronouncement: Whether considered as a doctrine, or an historical fact, or a movement, Socialism, if it remains truly Socialism, even after it has yielded to truth and justice on the points which we have mentioned, cannot be reconciled with the teachings of the Catholic Church because its concept of society itself is utterly foreign to Christian truth.”
(Encyclical Quadragesimo Anno, May 15, 1931, n. 117)

JOHN XXIII (1958-1963):
“Pope Pius XI further emphasized the fundamental opposition between Communism and Christianity, and made it clear that no Catholic could subscribe even to moderate Socialism. The reason is that Socialism is founded on a doctrine of human society which is bounded by time and takes no account of any objective other than that of material well-being. Since, therefore, it proposes a form of social organization which aims solely at production, it places too severe a restraint on human liberty, at the same time flouting the true notion of social authority.” (Encyclical Mater et Magistra, May 15, 1961, n. 34)

Pope John Paul 2,Centesimus Annus,1991:

“In recent years the range of such intervention has vastly expanded, to the point of creating a new type of state, the so-called ‘Welfare State.’ This has happened in some countries in order to respond better to many needs and demands by remedying forms of poverty and deprivation unworthy of the human person. However, excesses and abuses, especially in recent years, have provoke very harsh criticisms of the Welfare State, dubbed the ‘Social Assistance State.’ Malfunctions and defects in the Social Assistance State are the result of an inadequate understanding of the tasks proper to the State. Here again the principle of subsidiarity must be respected: a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to coordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good. “By intervening directly and depriving society of its responsibility, the Social Assistance State leads to a loss of human energies and an inordinate increase of public agencies, which are dominated more by bureaucratic thinking than by concern for serving their clients, and which are accompanied by an enormous increase in spending, In fact, it would appear that needs are best understood and satisfied by people who are closest to them who act as neighbors to those in need. It should be added that certain kinds of demands often call for a response which is not simply material but which is capable of perceiving the deeper human need.”

May I remind you that it is the Church that is stepping up and helping these people, or did you even read the topic of this thread before you started posting?
Yes, but you left out the words of Pope Paul VI from Populorum Progressio:

“**If anyone has the world’s goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God’s love abide in him?” It is well known how strong were the words used by the Fathers of the Church to describe the proper attitude of persons who possess anything toward persons in need. To quote St. Ambrose: “You are not making a gift of your possessions to the poor person. You are handing over to him what is his. For what has been given in common for the use of all, you have arrogated to yourself. The world is given to all and not only to the rich.” That is, private property does not constitute for anyone an absolute and unconditional right. No one is justified in keeping for his exclusive use what he does not need when others lack necessities. In a word, “According to the traditional doctrine as found in the Fathers of the Church and the great theologians, the right to private property must never be exercised to the detriment of the common good.” **

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“We cannot insist too much on the duty of welcoming others - a duty springing from human solidarity and Christian charity”**

We are that rich nation, no matter how a dire a picture you try to paint. We have more than enough to treat these immigrant people humanely, while we decide how best to handle the current influx. This is not a question of socialism, this is about respect for all human life.
 
Quoting part of it:

This also presents us with an opportunity to refocus and restate our call for comprehensive immigration reform, which would make this kind of displacement of
human beings unnecessary. Please reach out to your elected representatives and remind them that it is within their power and is, in deed, their responsibility to fix this broken immigration system for the good of all God’s people.

Yes, indeed. As bad, and as complicated, as the current situation is, the political impasse at fixing the ongoing problem can not be ignored. We need to pressure our congressional representatives and senators to step up and fix the problem. If they do so, it will benefit the people of the United States, as well as the people of other countries.
Good points.
 
The popes did not limit socialism to total government control over the economy and businesses. They recognized it also as a theory of society and as the welfare state.

Pope Leo XII,Rerum Novarum:

“Man’s needs do not die out, but forever recur; although satisfied today, they demand fresh supplies for tomorrow. Nature accordingly must have given to man a source that is stable and remaining always with him, from which he might look to draw continual supplies. And this stable condition of things he finds solely in the earth and its fruits. There is no need to bring in the State. Man precedes the State, and possesses, prior to the formation of any State, the right of providing for the substance of his body.”

“At the present day many there are who, like the heathen of old, seek to blame and condemn the Church for such eminent charity. They would substitute in its stead a system of relief organized by the State. But no human expedients will ever make up for the devotedness and self sacrifice of Christian charity. Charity, as a virtue, pertains to the Church.”

PIUS XI (1922-1939):

We make this pronouncement: Whether considered as a doctrine, or an historical fact, or a movement, Socialism, if it remains truly Socialism, even after it has yielded to truth and justice on the points which we have mentioned, cannot be reconciled with the teachings of the Catholic Church because its concept of society itself is utterly foreign to Christian truth.”
(Encyclical Quadragesimo Anno, May 15, 1931, n. 117)

JOHN XXIII (1958-1963):
“Pope Pius XI further emphasized the fundamental opposition between Communism and Christianity, and made it clear that no Catholic could subscribe even to moderate Socialism. The reason is that Socialism is founded on a doctrine of human society which is bounded by time and takes no account of any objective other than that of material well-being. Since, therefore, it proposes a form of social organization which aims solely at production, it places too severe a restraint on human liberty, at the same time flouting the true notion of social authority.” (Encyclical Mater et Magistra, May 15, 1961, n. 34)

Pope John Paul 2,Centesimus Annus,1991:

“In recent years the range of such intervention has vastly expanded, to the point of creating a new type of state, the so-called ‘Welfare State.’ This has happened in some countries in order to respond better to many needs and demands by remedying forms of poverty and deprivation unworthy of the human person. However, excesses and abuses, especially in recent years, have provoke very harsh criticisms of the Welfare State, dubbed the ‘Social Assistance State.’ Malfunctions and defects in the Social Assistance State are the result of an inadequate understanding of the tasks proper to the State. Here again the principle of subsidiarity must be respected: a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to coordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good. “By intervening directly and depriving society of its responsibility, the Social Assistance State leads to a loss of human energies and an inordinate increase of public agencies, which are dominated more by bureaucratic thinking than by concern for serving their clients, and which are accompanied by an enormous increase in spending, In fact, it would appear that needs are best understood and satisfied by people who are closest to them who act as neighbors to those in need. It should be added that certain kinds of demands often call for a response which is not simply material but which is capable of perceiving the deeper human need.”

May I remind you that it is the Church that is stepping up and helping these people, or did you even read the topic of this thread before you started posting?
Thank you anthony022071 👍
 
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pnewton:
You seem to be the only one talking about race. The original article is just about helping people in need (where they are, btw).
It is a race issue because the Hispanics have turned it into one, implying that strict US-Mexico border control is per se a racist policy.
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pnewton:
This is all that is happening in this article.

Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ - Jesus
It does not mean that Catholics should just sit back and let people invade our country, with no expectation of cultural adaptation, and fully expecting charitable and social services in return. It does not mean that Catholics should not think about what kind of immigration policy is truly best for our society. It does not mean that Catholics should think about how much of a drain on social services it is to take care of these invaders.

Rising Hispanic populations in California and Nevada have permanently altered the politics of both states. And Texas could be next. People forget that California and Nevada were Republican states. California used to be business-friendly, aerospace-friendly, and oil-friendly. Nevada was a Wild West culture. Remember Nixon and Reagan? But now both governments are kowtowing to the rising Hispanic population, and refusing to strictly control borders. As a result, since the 1990s, the Democrats, yes, the pro-abortion party, have taken over both states, with no hope of viable opposition.

What is the wisdom of giving and giving, and leaving nothing for yourself?

What is so immoral and unreasonable for a country to choose not to sit back and let others invade and conquer it culturally, economically, and politically?

Doesn’t the US Catholic Church support lax immigration control because it wants to keep its numbers high, since whites are leaving the Church??
 
Doesn’t the US Catholic Church support lax immigration control because it wants to keep its numbers high, since whites are leaving the Church??
This is the popular opinion, but I personally do not think so. Poll after poll is showing that large numbers of Latinos, once they get here, drift over to the Evangelical/Pentecostal churches.
 
It does not mean that Catholics should just sit back and let people invade our country, with no expectation of cultural adaptation, and fully expecting charitable and social services in return. It does not mean that Catholics should not think about what kind of immigration policy is truly best for our society. It does not mean that Catholics should think about how much of a drain on social services it is to take care of these invaders.

Rising Hispanic populations in California and Nevada have permanently altered the politics of both states. And Texas could be next. People forget that California and Nevada were Republican states. California used to be business-friendly, aerospace-friendly, and oil-friendly. Nevada was a Wild West culture. Remember Nixon and Reagan? But now both governments are kowtowing to the rising Hispanic population, and refusing to strictly control borders. As a result, since the 1990s, the Democrats, yes, the pro-abortion party, have taken over both states, with no hope of viable opposition.

What is so immoral and unreasonable for a country to choose not to sit back and let others invade and conquer it culturally, economically, and politically?
Now watch out - this logic will get you nothing except the accusation that you are not following the gospel, nor helping the poor.

Ya know…these people are disappearing all over the country. Not only will it further and drastically destabilize the economy (Obama originally asked for** 2 billion** $$ - the last time I looked it was up to $3.7 billion to help “fix” this crisis he created. Did anyone listen to the rising alarm that the global economy is about to collapse? Oh…I forgot it can’t happen here - we are such a rich nation.

AND just think in a short time how many more Democratic Socialists will be able to vote along Obama’s party lines.
What is the wisdom of giving and giving, and leaving nothing for yourself?
Who do they think is helping these people now? I just wrote out my monthly tithing checks. With rising inflation and increasing tax burden, how much longer will we be able to help? We just might be fortunate to help ourselves in the very near future.
 
It is a race issue because the Hispanics have turned it into one, implying that strict US-Mexico border control is per se a racist policy.
Might I asked you to link that one, or just point it out. I missed that post.
It does not mean that Catholics should just sit back and let people invade our country, with no expectation of cultural adaptation, and fully expecting charitable and social services in return.
Of course not. No one says it does. It just means we help those in need, as this Church is doing, as my own parish does.
Rising Hispanic populations in California and Nevada have permanently altered the politics of both states. And Texas could be next
Why the continual focus on race?
What is the wisdom of giving and giving, and leaving nothing for yourself?
Again, of course not. No one says it does. I have no doubt the Church in question is still able to hold Mass, its parishioners still eat and maintain their lodging. Ministry like this is done out of our abundance. However, let’s not forget the greatest charity is when we give out of our own needs. If some wish to sacrifice this much, we must not resent such devotion.

So He said*, “Truly I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all; 4 for all these out of their abundance have put in offerings for God, but she out of her poverty put in all the livelihood that she had.”* Luke 21:4
 
libertynews.com/2014/07/exclusive-hhs-bankrolled-catholic-and-baptist-church-from-2010-to-2013-to-prepare-for-obamas-2014-invasion/

HHS Bankrolled Catholic and Baptist Church from 2010 to 2013 to Prepare for Obama’s 2014 Invasion! - See more at: libertynews.com/2014/07/exclusive-hhs-bankrolled-catholic-and-baptist-church-from-2010-to-2013-to-prepare-for-obamas-2014-invasion/#sthash.4TYndUz4.dpuf

A month or two ago news broke that Obama’s HHS was calling for private contractors to help transport illegal aliens throughout the interior United States. What made this already big news even bigger is the fact that the original call for proposals came out in January, long before the bulk of the illegal alien surge began.
The breaking news you’re about to read is ten times bigger, because the following proves the Obama administration was bankrolling America’s churches back in 2010. And the tens of millions were flowing in to prepare for the invasion currently underway.
The following is a small taste of what’s out there in grant records. This is just the tip of the iceberg, folks.
Between Dec 2010 and Nov 2013, the Catholic Charities Diocese of Galveston received $15,549,078 in federal grants from Health & Human Services for “Unaccompanied Alien Children Project” with a program description of “Refugee and Entry Assistance.”
Last year, the Catholic Charities Diocese of Fort Worth received $350,000 from Department of Homeland Security for “citizenship and education training” with a program description of “citizenship and immigration services.”
Between September 2010 and September 2013, the Catholic Charities of Dallas received $823,658 from the Department of Homeland Security for “Citizenship Education Training” for “refugee and entrant assistance.”
From Dec 2012 to January 2014, Baptist Child & Family Services received $62,111,126 in federal grants from Health & Human Services for “Unaccompanied Alien Children Program.”
 
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