Socialized healthcare

[BamaRider]

I feel I can speak for all conservatives here, we have* no *problem with honest people on disability, doin the best they can.

Where we have a problem are those who just get tired of working a job where ya gotta be accountable to someone, and just up and decide to “retire” early by trying to get disablity check.

I wonder how some SS case workers keep a straight face sometimes, when looking over his desk at someone working as hard as all get out at trying to get convince him on why he needs a check. He’s driving around, waiting in lines, going here and goin there, and then argues with the clerk on why he can’t take a job as a telemarketer or other light duty job with his bad back. LOL. If it wasn’t so crazy it’d be funny! Now cmon!

If someone is on legit disablility reading this, God Bless ya, my issue is NOT with you.

I don’t have anything but my life experience to base this on, but I’m gonna say the needy vs the scammers in the systerm are 50-50 at best. It’s just sad, and you’re gonna have a hard time convincing me otherwise.

 

[cynic]

There are people who don’t work up to potential, and they make the burden heavier for the rest of us/

youre continual comments about this apply to people who are working, not just welfare recipients. They are also those that “make the burden heavier for the rest of us”. Yes you can argue that poor workers havn’t reached their potential. But how could they be considered a ‘burden’ if they are performing tasks neccesary for their employer?

When you worked, did you do so for every waking hour of the week, year after year, without ever taking leave? Did you work as absolutely hard as you possibly could for every moment? No? Then we could say you didn’t quite reach your full potential either. You could have earnt more, contributed more, but chose not to so you could do other things. Shame on you.

 

[ribozyme]

I don’t have anything but my life experience to base this on, but I’m gonna say the needy vs the scammers in the systerm are 50-50 at best. It’s just sad, and you’re gonna have a hard time convincing me otherwise.

Life experience? I prefer to rely on think tanks for my information. At least it will not be tainted by the availability heuristic and my subjective biases.

 

[vern_humphrey]

And do you personally know every little detail of their situation? Until you do don’t pass judgement.

Have you considered taking your own advice?

You’re not only suddenly judgemental, but almost paranoid – you take every post personally.

Stop and take a deep breath and think before you post.

 

[vern_humphrey]

youre continual comments about this apply to people who are working, not just welfare recipients. They are also those that “make the burden heavier for the rest of us”. Yes you can argue that poor workers havn’t reached their potential. But how could they be considered a ‘burden’ if they are performing tasks neccesary for their employer?

Some people drop out of school. Some people take drugs. Some people don’t seek advancement. Some people only work until they qualify for the EITC. I work with many such people

When you worked, did you do so for every waking hour of the week, year after year, without ever taking leave? Did you work as absolutely hard as you possibly could for every moment? No? Then we could say you didn’t quite reach your full potential either. You could have earnt more, contributed more, but chose not to so you could do other things. Shame on you.

Actually, I did reach full potential. And I generally worked 70 to 80 hours a week.

Shame on you.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

I believe that Vern has divinity on his side, Jim.

Vern has Uncle Herbivore on his side.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Some people drop out of school. Some people take drugs. Some people don’t seek advancement. Some people only work until they qualify for the EITC. I work with many such people

Actually, I did reach full potential. And I generally worked 70 to 80 hours a week.

Shame on you.

Vern, you remind me of … well, actually … me!

Whenever I took a day off, folks would clutch their chests or wonder if the world was going to end that day, It was that rare, that … obviously … something big must be up. On more than one occasion, if I needed surgery, I just took a long lunch and got it done during the work day … or got it done after work.

[But usually taking a day off was just to paint the house.]

[For large chunks of my life … not all of it by any means … , I didn’t have paid vacation or paid benefits. So if I didn’t work, I didn’t get paid.]

[Other times we were pretty busy and taking vacation got put off .]

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Vern, you remind me of … well, actually … me!

Whenever I took a day off, folks would clutch their chests or wonder if the world was going to end that day, It was that rare, that … obviously … something big must be up. On more than one occasion, if I needed surgery, I just took a long lunch and got it done during the work day … or got it done after work.

[But usually taking a day off was just to paint the house.]

[For large chunks of my life … not all of it by any means … , I didn’t have paid vacation or paid benefits. So if I didn’t work, I didn’t get paid.]

[Other times we were pretty busy and taking vacation got put off .]

Sounds like you live to work and not work to live.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Sounds like you live to work and not work to live.

For the most part, the work has been fun. When it ceased to be fun, I looked for another job.

[Imagine this: you have some idea of how I post. Imagine me on the job. Being given an assignment and finding a crack in the earth and fixing it for petty cash in 30 minutes. The bureaucrats wanted $10 million and ten years. So, naturally, I got in trouble.]

OR … the bureaucrats wanted systems that required NO MAINTENANCE. So, I’d fix something and have to occasionally tweak it to keep it humming. The bureaucrats would say they wanted NO TINKERING. Or they would say they would do something and after a year call me and say … ummm, we can’t do it; can you do it. And I’d pick up the phone and, voila, done.

Or, I’d get stopped by the cops and they would ask if I had time to come over to the station for coffee. There was a problem and could I help.

Fun for me. Not fun for the bureaucrats.

In retrospect, … after decades and decades of “adventures” [an adventure is an experience in which the outcome is in doubt … you could die] …, I came to realize that I had to rely and had been relying on God a LOT for getting rescued either with ideas or a new job, after I got fired from the old one for tinkering. One day I even confessed to a priest for the sin of assuming God would come to my aid … presumption in a secular sense … He thought I was nuts, but he knew me well enough so I asked him to trust me and just give me absolution.

It’s scary when you realize that all of your talent, all of your narrow escapes, all of your survival, all of your great ideas are now and have always been totally on loan from God. Scary … in the sense of “fear of the Lord”.

One of my priest friends was always in poor health and died at an early age. Never complained. He had a limp; most people never knew he only had one leg. Never complained. At his funeral, the Cardinal Archbishop said that his purpose in life, God’s plan for that priest, was to suffer.

So, … someday … hopefully …, if I make it to Heaven, I will find out what God’s plan is/was for me.

Work = Fun.

 

[BamaRider]

Life experience? I prefer to rely on think tanks for my information. At least it will not be tainted by the availability heuristic and my subjective biases.

Ribo you get a pass on that comment cos ya only 18. LOL. But I’ll offer this advice, when you go to apply for a JOB, DON’T put on your resume you rely on think tanks for real world info, and dis life experience. But I’m thinkin ya might feel that way cos at 18 you might be a little short in the life experience dept LOL. I hope the Good Lord sees fit to keep me around so we can chat when you’re 35, and see if ya feel the same about life experiences.

When I was 18 we had a word for folks like me-ESTABLISHMENT?

 

[cynic]

Actually, I did reach full potential. And I generally worked 70 to 80 hours a week.

Shame on you.

and you require that of others, or they’re not really working. You might enjoy what you did, but others have to sit in an office all day, doing work that is repetitive and lacking in any human contact or emotional satisfication. It’s a bit much to expect peoples lives to consist of nothing but their jobs.

 

[BamaRider]

!st Vern said-

Actually, I did reach full potential. And I generally worked 70 to 80 hours a week.

Then Cynic ( reckon they call him that for a reason? LOL) came back with this-

and you require that of others, or they’re not really working. You might enjoy what you did, but others have to sit in an office all day, doing work that is repetitive and lacking in any human contact or emotional satisfication. It’s a bit much to expect peoples lives to consist of nothing but their jobs.

But that’s where ya wrong bro. NOBODY is making ANYBODY do this-but others have to sit in an office all day, doing work that is repetitive and lacking in any human contact or emotional satisfication

They can decide at ANY time to get up outta their chair, further their education, or skill, or get up some money and start a business, where he’s the boss!

That’s the difference in how I live, and some of y’all, NOBODY is gonna keep me someplace I don’t wanna be, unless he’s gotta pistol on me

I know, I know, some of that rugged individualism some disdain around here. I’m guilty.

 

[vern_humphrey]

and you require that of others, or they’re not really working. You might enjoy what you did, but others have to sit in an office all day, doing work that is repetitive and lacking in any human contact or emotional satisfication. It’s a bit much to expect peoples lives to consist of nothing but their jobs.

Lemee get this straight – Old Granny Coker is shivvering, with the rain coming through her ceiling, and people who could fix her roof and pay her heating bills say, “doing work that is repetitive and lacking in any human contact or emotional satisfication” and refuse to produce enough to contribute to her?

 

[vern_humphrey]

I know, I know, some of that rugged individualism some disdain around here. I’m guilty.

Basically, there are two types of people in this world, rugged individualists who only want to be free to follow their dreams and succeed or fail on their own efforts.

And then there are people with inferiority complexes, who deep down know they are inadequate and who fear to attempt self-sufficiency.

 

[cynic]

They can decide at ANY time to get up outta their chair, further their education, or skill, or get up some money and start a business, where he’s the boss!

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who will do the day-to-day work if everyone’s a boss?

 

[cynic]

Basically, there are two types of people in this world, rugged individualists who only want to be free to follow their dreams and succeed or fail on their own efforts.

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except that your talking as much to people who are self-sufficient as those who aren’t, and chastising them for not working long enough, doing enough. It’s normal to want to do other things than work.

 

[vern_humphrey]

except that your talking as much to people who are self-sufficient as those who aren’t, and chastising them for not working long enough, doing enough. It’s normal to want to do other things than work.

And the people who believe that most strongly are called “liberals.”

 

[Filius99993]

And the people who believe that most strongly are called “liberals.”

Not all liberals… but most of us. I’m weird that way… a liberal who actually sticks to his faith… what a concept.

 

[pathia]

Basically, there are two types of people in this world, rugged individualists who only want to be free to follow their dreams and succeed or fail on their own efforts.

And then there are people with inferiority complexes, who deep down know they are inadequate and who fear to attempt self-sufficiency.

Actually there ARE two types of people in this world, true.

Those that believe there are two types of people in this world.
And those that don’t!

 

[vern_humphrey]

Actually there ARE two types of people in this world, true.

Those that believe there are two types of people in this world.
And those that don’t!

Actually, there are 10 types of people in this world – those who understand binary and those who don’t.