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No it ain’t. There are TWO standards. The private sector and govt institutions.

My son works in the insurance field, claims specialists. In the aftermath of accidents his company is called upon to reimburse BCBS and other private insurance agencies after they have paid the inital medical bills. They seek to recover thoee expenses from the insurers automobile policy if the the person has such a rider in effect.

They also reimburse medicare/aid when their patients are treated in the ER. He says he has a stack of claims he can’t close out because medicare has yet to furnish his company with the bill and related papwerwork. He has files that are 3 years old. He advised the average lag from accident to closing the claim is 2-3 YEARS when dealing with a medicare patient.

When dealing with BCBS, less than 10 days, often times 7 days or less. From the time BCBS notifies them they have a claim, to him sending the check. I can promise ya NOBODY in the medicare office is gonna work weekends or overtime to catch up.
This is where you’re absolutely, positively WRONG. The problem is not that people aren’t willing to work overtime, it’s that upper management of the agency refuses to authorize due to “budget problems.”
He tells me, the lag time when dealing with ANY govt agency is just part of doing business. It is built in to his company, they don’t lke it, but there it is. It is inherint for the DMV, Courts, City Hall, Vital Statistics to be sloooooooooow places.
Again, you’re wrong. Agencies will operate based on the laws they are empowered under. If the law allows up to three years, then that’s how long it may take. If the law requires quicker processing, then it will be done quicker.

As to slow places, try going to some banks. I’m amazed some people are allowed to have checking accounts with the things they have to go to the bank for. If you go to an agency and everything is ready to go, you’ll be in and out really quick. I work for a public agency and we’re pretty quick about getting things processed, regardless of our mood.
Bad service, ineptness will kill a business, but in the govt those things don’t matter, because folks are held hostage to whatever the mood happens to be that day.
What-EVER. I’ve found that how you treat a public employee has a LOT to do with what kind of treatment you will receive. I never have problems at the DMV or any other agency because I treat the person providing service like a human being. It’s amazing how things work when people are actually nice.
 
If it takes socialization to guarantee them so be it. Unless you think people should just starve in economically hard times or go w/o clothing or housing. I didn’t mention transportation BTW. But the rest are basic requirements and should not be denied to anybody. Let’s stop the holier than thou approach from those who happen to be blessed with work and good paying jobs.
It’s the Republican response to everything, “let the market decide.” Someone else, who lost her head soon after said something similar…“let them eat cake.”
 
One of these days some holier-than-thou type is going to say, “Gee, maybe*** I*** need to get to work and earn more so I can pay my fair share.”

And I’ll have a heart attack when I read it.😛
And one of these days the other holier than thou type is going to be struck with a catastrophic illness with no way to pay for it. Consider that for a change. You can throw the terms around but they go both ways.
 
Already making excuses for our anticipated future failure to succeed, are we?😉

If all who can work would work – and work up to potential – we’d have very few poor people in this country. And we’d easily be able to support those few, with so many others contributing.
What gives anyone the right to determine the other guy’s potential?
 
It’s the Republican response to everything, “let the market decide.” Someone else, who lost her head soon after said something similar…“let them eat cake.”
So you want to cut off Republican heads? Ease up, friend.
 
What gives anyone the right to determine the other guy’s potential?
Well, the law for one thing. Workers’ comp and Social Security ALJs, along with divorce courts and juries in personal injury cases do it every day.
 
It’s the Republican response to everything, “let the market decide.” Someone else, who lost her head soon after said something similar…“let them eat cake.”
Actually, she never really said that. It was a rumor to make all the people who were already mad at the Queen moreso. Just for clarification.
 
And one of these days the other holier than thou type is going to be struck with a catastrophic illness with no way to pay for it. Consider that for a change. You can throw the terms around but they go both ways.
I’m with you in part on this, Jim. I wish it was possible to purchase insurance for catastrophic illness or injury. But you can’t, because government won’t allow it.

If a small employer wants to be a good “social justice” guy and buy health coverage for his workers, and wants them to have as low a deductible as possible, but thinks, because he makes more and saves money, it’s his responsibility to pay a much larger deductible than his employees do, he’s going to have a problem. Let’s say that employer has a health savings plan and has saved a fair amount in it, and wants, oh, a $20,000 deductible for himself, but only a $500 deductible for his employees, or none at all.

Guess what? He can’t. It’s either $500 for all or $20,000 for all. Actually, you can’t get a $20,000 deductible here at all. $10,000 is the maximum. State law mandates that, and federal law requires that all persons in the plan be treated equally.So, since your employees can’t handle a $10,000 deductible, you can’t have one either. Gotta pay the higher rate that covers “routine” care, even if you’re willing to pay for that yourself.

So forget catastrophic insurance. You gotta buy the kind that pays for everytime a person wants to go to the Dr. for an upper respiratory infection and they charge $200. And, of course, that’s built into the premium. That’s not mean old capitalism. That’s the government, forcing insurance companies to do that.

And, since the insurance company has to pay for that visit for my cold, or rather, price the possibility that it might have to pay for it into the premium, the insurance costs more.

And, since it only costs insured people $20 to go to the doctor; sometimes only $10, they go for everything and get prescribed meds for it. And people wonder why MRSA is rampant. Now THAT’S an expensive rascal to treat.

Now, suppose 20 years ago I was diagnosed with a serotonin uptake deficiency or a thyroid deficiency and take medication for it. No trouble since. I’m stable and I’m fine. Well, I have to tell the insurance company that on the application. But let’s say I’m completely okay now. They’ll high rate me anyway. But suppose I say “well, just exclude that, then and give me the regular rate.” Nope. Can’t do it. Discriminatory. Gotta pay the high rate and have the coverage I don’t need or want.

But wait! Suppose I find that I can get a policy like I want in Montana. Oops! Can’t do that either. To write a policy in my state, the Montana company has to write it just like the kind in my state, or not do it at all.

And of course, if my state or the federal government wants to require insurance companies to cover AIDS treatment for “domestic partners” or abortions or birth control or sex change operations or vasectomies or viagra, that’s built into the premium too, even though I don’t need that coverage and don’t want to pay for anyone else’s abortion or sex change operation or viagra. No way out. The government can say I have to pay for it anyway or have no coverage at all, and often does.

No, Jim, I’m with you. I would like to be able to buy catastrophic care insurance and pay my own way for “routine” stuff. If I live a fairly healthy lifestyle and save money in my health savings account instead of blowing it on Chinese imports, I might even be able to afford it. Maybe one of these days, it will be allowed.
 
LCMS said-
As to slow places, try going to some banks. I’m amazed some people are allowed to have checking accounts with the things they have to go to the bank for. If you go to an agency and everything is ready to go, you’ll be in and out really quick. I work for a public agency and we’re pretty quick about getting things processed, regardless of our mood.
Well yeah, ya gotta point, I try not to get in a bad mood when some joker goes the drive up window trying to cash a 5k check from Mars, and has 3 seperate transactions to be dealt with also.

The days the Lord wants to give me some patience he sends me to the bank. .
Again, you’re wrong. Agencies will operate based on the laws they are empowered under. If the law allows up to three years, then that’s how long it may take. If the law requires quicker processing, then it will be done quicker.
LOL so what ya sayin is the same people in the same office will loaf if there is no mandate to be efficient, but if ya make it a law to settle claims in timely manner those same people will get the job done. Which begs the obvious, WHY CAN’T DO THAT ALL THE TIME? LOL.

I’ll concede the fact most agenices are not gonna budget the overtime or pay the money to have a good operation. I’m don’t mean to pick on the clerk or the mid mgr who has little say in how things are done. But the final result is the same. But it does draw the difference in private and govt sectors. On the private side, they will do whatever needs to be done to make the bottom line and grow the company. Because people have a vested interest and that makes all the difference in the world.

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What gives anyone the right to determine the other guy’s potential?
Potential- Now there’s a word when applied to people usually means something is undone. “Well yeah he has alot of potential.”= he is underachieving. I told my son long ago I don’t EVER wanna hear about his “potential” from some teacher, coach, or boss. He needs to go out and do it. I reckon that goes back to the "rugged invididualism some of y’all seem to loathe LOL.

My point about how hard it is to be destitute in this country is this. This land is full of 10 dollar a hour jobs that can’t be given away. Millions of people will draw a check before they take a job delivering pizzas or flip burgers, and liberals enable that line of thinking.

I was brought up to put MY future in God’s Hands, not the govt’s, which has never inspired anybody to do anything. I wish I could give to the Catholic Church all the money they garnish outta my check all these years, because She listens to God, and knows who truly needs help, and She cares NOT about the politics, of trying to buy votes with other people’s money.

It is not folks like Vern and Estesbob and Ridge keepin folks down, I’m sure they want to see EVERYONE excel, but that ain’t gonna happen if you don’t inspire and motivate someone get up and go take whatever job ya need to do, to provide for yourself and family.

But there is a mindset in this country, that if a guy can’t walk in making 75k a year first day, the job is not worth having. I’m referring to the folks here, but y’all know what I’m talking

So how come y’all pickin on Vern? :cool:
 
I’m with you in part on this, Jim. I wish it was possible to purchase insurance for catastrophic illness or injury. But you can’t, because government won’t allow it.

If a small employer wants to be a good “social justice” guy and buy health coverage for his workers, and wants them to have as low a deductible as possible, but thinks, because he makes more and saves money, it’s his responsibility to pay a much larger deductible than his employees do, he’s going to have a problem. Let’s say that employer has a health savings plan and has saved a fair amount in it, and wants, oh, a $20,000 deductible for himself, but only a $500 deductible for his employees, or none at all.

Guess what? He can’t. It’s either $500 for all or $20,000 for all. Actually, you can’t get a $20,000 deductible here at all. $10,000 is the maximum. State law mandates that, and federal law requires that all persons in the plan be treated equally.So, since your employees can’t handle a $10,000 deductible, you can’t have one either. Gotta pay the higher rate that covers “routine” care, even if you’re willing to pay for that yourself.

So forget catastrophic insurance. You gotta buy the kind that pays for everytime a person wants to go to the Dr. for an upper respiratory infection and they charge $200. And, of course, that’s built into the premium. That’s not mean old capitalism. That’s the government, forcing insurance companies to do that.

And, since the insurance company has to pay for that visit for my cold, or rather, price the possibility that it might have to pay for it into the premium, the insurance costs more.

And, since it only costs insured people $20 to go to the doctor; sometimes only $10, they go for everything and get prescribed meds for it. And people wonder why MRSA is rampant. Now THAT’S an expensive rascal to treat.

Now, suppose 20 years ago I was diagnosed with a serotonin uptake deficiency or a thyroid deficiency and take medication for it. No trouble since. I’m stable and I’m fine. Well, I have to tell the insurance company that on the application. But let’s say I’m completely okay now. They’ll high rate me anyway. But suppose I say “well, just exclude that, then and give me the regular rate.” Nope. Can’t do it. Discriminatory. Gotta pay the high rate and have the coverage I don’t need or want.

But wait! Suppose I find that I can get a policy like I want in Montana. Oops! Can’t do that either. To write a policy in my state, the Montana company has to write it just like the kind in my state, or not do it at all.

And of course, if my state or the federal government wants to require insurance companies to cover AIDS treatment for “domestic partners” or abortions or birth control or sex change operations or vasectomies or viagra, that’s built into the premium too, even though I don’t need that coverage and don’t want to pay for anyone else’s abortion or sex change operation or viagra. No way out. The government can say I have to pay for it anyway or have no coverage at all, and often does.

No, Jim, I’m with you. I would like to be able to buy catastrophic care insurance and pay my own way for “routine” stuff. If I live a fairly healthy lifestyle and save money in my health savings account instead of blowing it on Chinese imports, I might even be able to afford it. Maybe one of these days, it will be allowed.
I just get offended by one holier than thou calling everyone else holier than thou when he hasn’t necessarily walked in the shoes of the other guy. He’s been blessed and I wish him many more but not everyone is.
 
What gives anyone the right to determine the other guy’s tax liability?
Then let’s scrap taxes altogether. Make this government come up with some other way to finance this stupid war and a whole host of other stupid things like their constant pay raises. How about a volunteer government?
 
Then let’s scrap taxes altogether. Make this government come up with some other way to finance this stupid war and a whole host of other stupid things like their constant pay raises. How about a volunteer government?
How about everybody who can work, does work, and works up to potential, and pulls his fair share of the load?
 
Then let’s scrap taxes altogether. Make this government come up with some other way to finance this stupid war and a whole host of other stupid things like their constant pay raises. How about a volunteer government?
Nah, government is a necessary evil. Ours just too askew to function properly.
 
How about everybody who can work, does work, and works up to potential, and pulls his fair share of the load?
Look Vern. I am only able to work parttime due to a disability so my potential is still low. I consider myself working my potential so stop throwing the term otu there. It’s a foolish notion that means something different to everyone. I don’t have to pay taxes because my income is under the poverty level and should be left that way, meaning untaxed. If you don’t feel I’m pulling my fair share well I’m sorry but I am.
 
Look Vern. I am only able to work parttime due to a disability so my potential is still low. I consider myself working my potential so stop throwing the term otu there.
Jim, you take things too personally.

There are people who don’t work up to potential, and they make the burden heavier for the rest of us/
It’s a foolish notion that means something different to everyone.
Actually, it’s a wise notion that foolish people choose to misinterpret.
I don’t have to pay taxes because my income is under the poverty level and should be left that way, meaning untaxed. If you don’t feel I’m pulling my fair share well I’m sorry but I am.
If you’re doing all you can, then no blame attaches to you.

But I can walk down the street and meet dozens of people who are not pulling their fair share. Many of these people are true couch potatoes – they “justify” themselves by calling upon others to be forced to pay more while they skate.
 
Jim, you take things too personally.

There are people who don’t work up to potential, and they make the burden heavier for the rest of us/

Actually, it’s a wise notion that foolish people choose to misinterpret.

If you’re doing all you can, then no blame attaches to you.

But I can walk down the street and meet dozens of people who are not pulling their fair share. Many of these people are true couch potatoes – they “justify” themselves by calling upon others to be forced to pay more while they skate.
And do you personally know every little detail of their situation? Until you do don’t pass judgement.
 
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