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cynic
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:banghead: so yes then
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vern_humphrey
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No, I’m saying that lazy people clamor for someone else to pay the freight, and never look to themselves to earn and pay more.
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cynic
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Earn and pay *more *implies that those working 40 hours are lazy by your definition, since they could earn and pay more but don’t. But of course, repeating some inane line is more important to you than clearly explaing it’s meaning, or how it applies.
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Al_Masetti
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Housecleaning: one hour per month. We now have vacuum cleaners that run on electricity.
Laundry: one hour per month. We now have machines to do that.
Television rots the mind.
Sleep = 5 hours per night. Too much sleep rots the mind.
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cynic
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so does: Reading history. Gardening. Home improvements
We’re being preached at to do nothing but work by retired people who garden, ride motorcycles, play with guns and post on the internet. Priceless.
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vern_humphrey
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I already explained it over and over – we have a lot of couch potatos who cheer for the team or government program of their choice – but do nothing to move the ball themselves. They’re quick to say someone else should pay, but I have yet to have one say, “I should work harder, so*** I*** can pay more.”
Apparently paying for things like this is for** other** people, ad simply advocating vast programs exempts the advocates from pulling their share of the load.
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goofyjim
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I’ m sorry but you are still wrong. It is not slothful to work a 40 hour week. One can work quite hard in 40 hours and need the rest of the time to relax and unwind. Yours is a judgement and a false one at that.
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pathia
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If I work more than 40hours a week I end up getting so sick and agitating my illnesses so much I lose money and cause society to lose money because I have to file for bankruptcy on the medical bills for the health care I need but cannot afford
You’re basically saying that I can’t complain about anything, ever, just sit back and die.
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pathia
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Housecleaning: I have severe severe allergies. If I do not clean, spray down and vacuum every inch of every floor/carpet. Wash every sheet, every piece of cloth in the apartment once a week I will inevitably develop bronchitis if not pneumonia.
Laundry: I own exactly five viable matches of clothing and two pairs of jeans (For work). I’m supposed to wear the same stuff four/five times a month? That’s kind of gross.
Television: That I have down, I don’t even own one.
Sleep: If I sleep less than 7hours I suffer narcolepsy and sleep walking at work no less.
Not that it matters much. My doctors will be surprised if I live past 40.
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BamaRider
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The cynic put this out-
Well the reason we can do those things is; ahem- WE WORKED MORE THEN 40 HOURS A WEEK. Now I dunno about some of y’all on here, but retiring sorta young was nice, so I can ride motorcycles, read the paper, hang out on the internet, attend weekday morning Mass at 9am (my parish is a 10 min walk) bicycle, run, and when sumptin goods playin I like the movie matinee at half price.
I was also able to care for my elderly mother in her last days, and because the Lord has Blessed so much I know I need to give time back family and friends. I spend much of my day on the phone witht them or riding across the state just to eat lunch with a Uncle or cousin not seen in a long time.
Heck, I just might take a notion to stop and eat lunch with Vern on my next trip through the Ozarks. You know the best BBQ place in Eureka Springs bro? My treat.
Now I can’t do ANY of that if I hadn’t worked overtime, or odd jobs all those yeas ago to pay off my mortgage so I* could* retire, early. I do know it was worth every effort.
I reckon he’s tawkin about ME! LOL
Well the reason we can do those things is; ahem- WE WORKED MORE THEN 40 HOURS A WEEK. Now I dunno about some of y’all on here, but retiring sorta young was nice, so I can ride motorcycles, read the paper, hang out on the internet, attend weekday morning Mass at 9am (my parish is a 10 min walk) bicycle, run, and when sumptin goods playin I like the movie matinee at half price.
I was also able to care for my elderly mother in her last days, and because the Lord has Blessed so much I know I need to give time back family and friends. I spend much of my day on the phone witht them or riding across the state just to eat lunch with a Uncle or cousin not seen in a long time.
Heck, I just might take a notion to stop and eat lunch with Vern on my next trip through the Ozarks. You know the best BBQ place in Eureka Springs bro? My treat.
Now I can’t do ANY of that if I hadn’t worked overtime, or odd jobs all those yeas ago to pay off my mortgage so I* could* retire, early. I do know it was worth every effort.
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Al_Masetti
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I worked nonstop from age 17 to age 62. Rarely worked 40 hour weeks … usually anywhere from 50 to 100 hours per week [100 hour weeks definitely lead to burnout … but the work had to be done … I felt an obligation to the men who were dying … ] … and for the first 20 years had to travel extensively for business … often once a week … slept on the planes … lived in 6 countries. Travelled to or transited 20 others. Was in 5 wars; 150 of my cohorts were killed. It’s a series of miracles I wasn’t killed.
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goofyjim
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And I commend you but it is still wrong to call everyone who doesn’t do this lazy or slothful.
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cynic
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Yes but the extreme end of your ( and verns, al masetti’s) ideology is that you shouldn’t stop working just because you can. I’m not judging you, it’s you who are really. If the standard work week was 60 hours, you could argue that to not work more than this is lazy, and since it’s possible to save enough for some of those things you mention by working 40 hours - depeding on what you do of course - I don’t think that was ever the point. According to you guys, work is supposed to be an end in itself, not a means to something else.
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Al_Masetti
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youtube.com/watch?v=H8f8drk5Urw
This is a pretty neat video.
Anyway, I sent it to one of the fellows I used to work with … and he said that’s how I looked when I was working.
This is a pretty neat video.
Anyway, I sent it to one of the fellows I used to work with … and he said that’s how I looked when I was working.
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Al_Masetti
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It wasn’t an end in itself.
And it’s not an ideology.
There was stuff to do and there were consequences if it didn’t get done.
Some folks just find themselves in situations where action is or was needed. So we just took the initiative and did it. The bureaucrats weren’t happy. It made them look bad.
Looking back, it becomes obvious that some assignments were clearly for training; shortly thereafter something came up that all the training was needed for.
Happened over and over.
Eventually, I just decided that each breath and each heartbeat is … not a gift from God … but ordained by God. Because both my breath and heart should have stopped long long ago.
So … you just keep going. And keep praying.
Some folks have taken exception to my favorite prayer: Dear Lord, please hold me in Your arms, forgive me my sins, and make me the way You want me to be. Holy Spirit, guide and enlighten me … grant me direction, guidance, cash flow and work.
One of these days, I will hopefully learn what God’s path was for me … and where I deviated from that path.
If you want a really great book … “Weeds Among the Wheat” by Thomas Green.
It’s about discernment. One page per sitting is about all I can handle. Very powerful.
amazon.com/Weeds-Among-Wheat-Discernment-Prayer/dp/0877933189
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Al_Masetti
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There is a body of thought that suggests that at our last judgment we will be asked one question: “Who did you help?”
Some folks might rephrase the question: “who did you love”, but the definition of “love” can get too wordy and too subjective.
One way of loving someone is to help them.
So, the question becomes “who did you help?”
One way of helping is to just show up and volunteer to help out. Not even asking to help; just pitching in. It could be just washing dishes for someone else. Or driving them somewhere. Or showing up at a church meeting and asking a question. Or helping by cleaning up the place after the meeting. You just never know. Seeing a pile of unposted updates to a set of documents and posting the updates. Doing what no one else wants to do. Doing what others think is beneath them. Learning that there is a need; and finding out what has to be done to fill that need. Going back to school for more courses … any kind of courses. Learning. Always learning.
You want a really great book?: “The Spiritual Combat and a Treatise on Peace of Soul” by Dom Lorenzo Scupoli. Published by TAN Books. As near as anyone can tell, it was first published in the year 1589. Very powerful in overcoming obstacles.
tanbooks.com/index.php/page/shop:flypage/product_id/313/
Woody Allen once said that 99% of success is just showing up.
Being open.
[But cautious enough so you don’t get talked into doing something illegal, immoral or fattening.]
Putting yourself last.
There’s this “rule”: never volunteer.
Well, sometimes, what you do is ALWAYS volunteer.
We had this blind guy. I have no idea how it came about, but he became our expert on WordPerfect. He could tutor WordPerfect. Started knowing nothing and ended up teaching WordPerfect.
Go figure.
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Al_Masetti
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Read the New Testament. Peter, Paul and the others worked tirelessly and never endingly. They had day jobs sometimes, and they preached and evangelized at night. They never stopped. They travelled. They got shipwrecked. And in the end, they suffered martyrdom. Beheaded. Crucified upside down.
Tradition tells us that Longinius was the name of the guy who stabbed Jesus. Longinius became a saint.
Each of us has a cross. Each of us needs to learn what that cross is and how to bear it.
Tradition tells us that Longinius was the name of the guy who stabbed Jesus. Longinius became a saint.
Each of us has a cross. Each of us needs to learn what that cross is and how to bear it.
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cynic
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What about those working in offices, factories, labs. I work in a place where familiarity between people is considered innapropriate, where you can’t talk in the breaks or lunchbreak. Havn’t had a conversation where I could talk freely with anyone (outside of immediate family) going on 2 years. Where do you find the time to meet friends or a potential marriage partner when there’s no time to socialize? What are we working *for *if all anyone should idealy do is work. Sometimes I like to walk in a park, observe some blue sky for a change, get some fresh air. It’s called variation, most humans need it. I realize there are bigger things in life, things worth sacrificing spare time for, but what are you helping people for if all they should be doing (once helped) is one thing, over and over again?
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LCMS_No_More
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Humbug!
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goofyjim
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The accusations abound here and they are ridiculous. Noone should ever call anyone else lazy. It is unwarranted. You have no right because you don’t know what an individual does outside paid work time. Noone has to justify their time to anyone else here on earth. We answer to God alone. I really don’t think He will sit there and say “Oh you only worked at a job 40 hours. Then there’s no admittance.” There is more than that involved. Love entails alot more than laboring away 100 hours a week.
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