Socialized healthcare

[Semper_Fi_1]

i plan on getting coverage when i pay my car down to 5,000, my payment will be 180/mo @ 3%. i get limited free coverage from work, im at work most of the time and if im not i am at the girl’s house. my situation is pretty unique, if i were to contract anything serious, i would probably just declare bankruptcy. with our system it’s not hard and in less than 2 years outta bankruptcy you can own a home again with a good interest rate, lol.

my focus right now is paying the principle of my car down so that the loan will amortize quicker… thus maybe then i can afford medical coverage from work. and where i work, if i ever get a settlement for being hurt the insurance (the company runs their own insurance plan), they would sue me to recover the costs of the premium paid out. $70 a month sounds cheap, but thats because the odds ARE in my favor.

ps, also did fail to mention that i get limited coverage from the VA.

Semper Fi is sayin-

If you can get insurance for 70 dollars a month-WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR BRO??

Hey I was 23 way long time ago, and you feel iinvincable, but you can contract anything at anytime. The odds on your side right now, but why ya wanna roll the dice to save 70 dollars a month?

I’d check and see what the medical cap payout is on your auto. I’m thinking the average is about 25k?

Get checked in a ICU with some kind of medical or bad truama and see how long your savings account last. You wont hafta to worry about paying for your ride, cause the hospital will seize it to pay off the bills.

So use one less tank of gas this month and get on the company insurance while you still can.

You’ve been reading the post from those other boys on here so you know we ain’t gonna tell ya wrong. Dang brother you’re a walking poster boy why so many of us are against social medicine LOL.

 

[cynic]

How would you know? What is your background in oncology and radiology? So you think if it’s too late, then it’s a joke and why bother?

The joke is that you think this, in isolation, qualifies as free, life saving treatment.

Wait till it get’s to the point where radiotherapy is necessary to keep the patient alive, for however long. Then and *only then *will free treatment be provided for an uninsured individual. Anything beyond this will have to come from charity.

 

[pathia]

Wow, this thread is still going.

Ironic, I just got back from the hospital and will get dinged for about another 30k for the stay and surgeries involved. I can file bankruptcy again soon thankfully. My third one, I’m only 28 and I’m recovering from a shattered hip. Why? Because I can’t afford the drugs I need to keep from developing osteoporosis, yes at 28 I have the startings of it.

Wow, that’s some awesome health care ain’t it?

Just because the drugs I need are so rare and expensive, I end up costing society more because we treat the aftermath, we don’t try to prevent anything. If they’d just freaking help me pay for my prescriptions, I wouldn’t be costing our system millions of dollars, but nope…not gonna happen, the free market overrides all common sense.

 

[BamaRider]

Pathia sez-

Wow, this thread is still going.

Ironic, I just got back from the hospital and will get dinged for about another 30k for the stay and surgeries involved. I can file bankruptcy again soon thankfully. My third one, I’m only 28 and I’m recovering from a shattered hip. Why? Because I can’t afford the drugs I need to keep from developing osteoporosis, yes at 28 I have the startings of it.

Wow, that’s some awesome health care ain’t it?

Just because the drugs I need are so rare and expensive, I end up costing society more because we treat the aftermath, we don’t try to prevent anything. If they’d just freaking help me pay for my prescriptions, I wouldn’t be costing our system millions of dollars, but nope…not gonna happen, the free market overrides all common sense.

Now this post should put to rest, the notion people are denied access to healthcare in this country.

M’am what else would you have the hospital and doctors do?

I agree, denying the meds was not a smart thing to do.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Wow, this thread is still going.

Ironic, I just got back from the hospital and will get dinged for about another 30k for the stay and surgeries involved. I can file bankruptcy again soon thankfully. My third one, I’m only 28 and I’m recovering from a shattered hip. Why? Because I can’t afford the drugs I need to keep from developing osteoporosis, yes at 28 I have the startings of it.

Wow, that’s some awesome health care ain’t it?

Just because the drugs I need are so rare and expensive, I end up costing society more because we treat the aftermath, we don’t try to prevent anything. If they’d just freaking help me pay for my prescriptions, I wouldn’t be costing our system millions of dollars, but nope…not gonna happen, the free market overrides all common sense.

For a while, I worked for a major pharmaceutical firm. They had all kinds of research laboratories. One of their unadvertised activities was production of “orphan drugs” … they made small quantities of rarely used drugs just for hardship cases.

The company was closed between Christmas and New Years, and I had learned of someone in the midwest through one of my wife’s activities who needed an impossible to find, out of production, drug. So I wrote a personal letter to the president of the drug company * with the information. Even though the company was closed for the holiday, my wife got a phone call from the company’s chief scientist requesting additional contact information so they could see what could be done.

What happened was that someone else in my wife’s network had also contacted some other drug company and the other drug company went ahead and produced the drug. My understanding was that it was done without charge … no one could afford to pay for it anyway.

So here you had two drug companies competing to see who could produce an orphan drug … with no publicity …

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I have no idea what the name of your condition is or what research has been conducted on it.

… Seems to me there is a non-profit organization in New York State that is devoted to researching unusual ailments and finding remedies, drugs, treatments, etc.

I met someone decades ago who changed jobs and subsequently became executive director of that organization.

I will trance myself to see if I can access the name of that group.

There are all kinds of charitable organizations working without publicity … 20 years ago I worked with a guy struggling with albinoism … and I made a phone call and hooked him up with someone doing research on that and who had access to all sorts of developments.

So, I’m optimistic that there is someone out there working on what it is that you have.*

 

[Al_Masetti]

rarediseases.org/

I found it … NORD …

National Organization for Rare Disorders

Have you checked with them yet?

I also did a Google search; lots of interesting stuff:

google.com/search?hl=en&q=organization+rare+diseases&btnG=Google+Search

 

[pathia]

Pathia sez-

Now this post should put to rest, the notion people are denied access to healthcare in this country. H

M’am what else would you have the hospital and doctors do?

I agree, denying the meds was not a smart thing to do.

Wrong.

I can get EMERGENCY CARE. I cannot get HEALTH care. There’s a difference. Health care implies making one healthy. I am not healthy, and never will be until I get on a group plan with my job. They make sure I don’t die, nothing more, at the ER.

This means I have to wait until my various conditions are so bad that I cannot stand to be alive.

If I had a primary care doctor, I would almost never reach those points.

 

[pathia]

rarediseases.org/

I found it … NORD …

National Organization for Rare Disorders

Have you checked with them yet?

I also did a Google search; lots of interesting stuff:

google.com/search?hl=en&q=organization+rare+diseases&btnG=Google+Search

My ‘disease’ is a congenital birth defect. I am intersexed, therefore I have extreme endocrine system anomalies (Screwed up hormones). No company would dream of giving me free drugs. Why? Because I chose to go towards the opposite of my birth certificate, so I am also a transsexual. That is, I treat my hormone problems by supplimenting estrogen instead of testosterone. Testosterone is what drug companies and doctors HAVE offered to me for free. However, it nearly killed me the last time I tried it and I broke out in rashes and hives all over my body and I became so suicidally depressed I attempted committing suicide twice in a single month.

Can you imagine if that leaked out? Can you see the headlines now by the right wing newsletters and talking heads?

‘Drug company gives free drugs to deviant sexually confused she-male transsexual, while children with leukemia DIE! This is the result of socialized medicine!’

 

[anna30]

In countries where healthcare is socialized there is usually (or always) a private medical sector. But the thing within private medical care staff often perform unnecessary examinations and encourage their patients to undergo treatment (also unnecessary) in their clinics.

 

[vern_humphrey]

In countries where healthcare is socialized there is usually (or always) a private medical sector. But the thing within private medical care staff often perform unnecessary examinations and encourage their patients to undergo treatment (also unnecessary) in their clinics.

Riiiight – like kidney dialysis when Britian denied such treatment to people 54 or older. “Unnecessary” because such people should be allowed to die. Much cheaper.

 

[anna30]

Riiiight – like kidney dialysis when Britian denied such treatment to people 54 or older. “Unnecessary” because such people should be allowed to die. Much cheaper.

Don’t be sarcastic.
I’m saying about private healthcere and not necessarily in Britain.

 

[jman507]

In countries where healthcare is socialized there is usually (or always) a private medical sector. But the thing within private medical care staff often perform unnecessary examinations and encourage their patients to undergo treatment (also unnecessary) in their clinics.

Could you please elaborate? Who pays for these medical exams and treatments? What do you mean by unnecassary? Is it unnecassary like giving a flu test for someone with a broken bone, or is it more like thowing in extra blood work for someone on dailysis? The former may really be unjustified. The latter may be useful, but once you get to a cetain point you get to a place where there is diminishing returns.

 

[consumedconvert]

You simply must be American first, if you are American. If you are Catholic first, maybe you should move.

I guess I’ll start packing my bags.

Some say “God, Family, Country.” in order of personal importance.

I’m a bit different. Mine would be:

1.God/His Body
2. Family
3. Central Illinois (it’s where I live and the peope I know)
4. All Illinois
5. The Great Midwest
6. My country

So I’m not very patriotic, except in an older use of the word, perhaps.

 

[anna30]

Could you please elaborate? Who pays for these medical exams and treatments? What do you mean by unnecassary? Is it unnecassary like giving a flu test for someone with a broken bone, or is it more like thowing in extra blood work for someone on dailysis? The former may really be unjustified. The latter may be useful, but once you get to a cetain point you get to a place where there is diminishing returns.

I went to the doctor with my son who couldn’t hear properly and was expecting a hearing test but the doctor offered to remove his tonsils for ‘only’ £700. It wasn’t in the U.K. When I returned home I was told that in that case removing of tonsils would have been an unnecessary operation. The hearing test showed that he can hear perfectly well and they started looking for different reasons why my son is constantly asking ‘what’ and turning the TV up. It also may be the lack of concantration as he is becoming bilingual.
Or dentist who want to remove all fillings just to put new ones, more expensive etc.
This is just an example but I know people (in that country) who would pay for a private doctor consultation but are scared that they might be treated unfair. Sometimes they are so desperate they will spend all their money for nothing (unnecessary tests, operation).
It’s known that people from the U.K. go to another countries for medical treatment as it is cheap and often better than they can expect with NHS. That’s why some medical staff take advantage of them thinking: They have money and they’ll pay for it.
Both the poor and the rich are used by medical business. It’s all about making money.
Of course I’m not saying all private clinics treat their patients to make profit. I go over there for dentist treatment as I’m fed up with NHS. But I’ve known that doctor for years and I can trust him.

 

[jman507]

I went to the doctor with my son who couldn’t hear properly and was expecting a hearing test but the doctor offered to remove his tonsils for ‘only’ £700. It wasn’t in the U.K. When I returned home I was told that in that case removing of tonsils would have been an unnecessary operation. The hearing test showed that he can hear perfectly well and they started looking for different reasons why my son is constantly asking ‘what’ and turning the TV up. It also may be the lack of concantration as he is becoming bilingual.
Or dentist who want to remove all fillings just to put new ones, more expensive etc.
This is just an example but I know people (in that country) who would pay for a private doctor consultation but are scared that they might be treated unfair. Sometimes they are so desperate they will spend all their money for nothing (unnecessary tests, operation).
It’s known that people from the U.K. go to another countries for medical treatment as it is cheap and often better than they can expect with NHS. That’s why some medical staff take advantage of them thinking: They have money and they’ll pay for it.
Both the poor and the rich are used by medical business. It’s all about making money.
Of course I’m not saying all private clinics treat their patients to make profit. I go over there for dentist treatment as I’m fed up with NHS. But I’ve known that doctor for years and I can trust him.

Well that type of fraud is rather independent of private or public funding. The main thing that would matter is if there is a payer, and a way to get paid for it.

 

[rush176]

So you’re reverting back to this argument in the absence of any proof that the uninsured will get chemotherapy. Of course the ‘rich’ - people who can pay (most of us) - should pay for those that can’t. And no flat tax is not the answer because it further reduces the abillity of the poor to pay for themselves.

I don’t think any Catholic or other Christian believes they should not help those in need. The big issue is should we allow the government to force us to do it their secular way or should we do it out of love for God in a Christian way. That is the biggest issue IMHO

 

[vern_humphrey]

Don’t be sarcastic.
I’m saying about private healthcere and not necessarily in Britain.

I’m not being sarcastic. I’m telling the truth. At one time, people over 54 were inelligible for kidney dialysis under the British system.

When Walter Williams asked a British official, “So what do you tell them, that the government is saving money by letting them die?” The shocked official said, “We’d never tell them that. We tell them, ‘Medical science holds no hope for you.’”

Wow! Not only were they allowed to die to save the government money, but the government lied to them about it!

 

[vern_humphrey]

I don’t think any Catholic or other Christian believes they should not help those in need. The big issue is should we allow the government to force us to do it their secular way or should we do it out of love for God in a Christian way. That is the biggest issue IMHO

Absolutely right.

Charity benefits two people, the recipient and the donor (who gains grace and merit.)

But who gains grace and merit from forced donations, collected by the IRS?

Charity given by individuals and the Church is efficient and is done in such a manner as to safeguard the dignity of the recipient. Government programs are inefficient (and many are counter-productive) and demean the recipients.

Anyone who doubts that is invited to move into a government “housing project” in an inner city.

 

[cynic]

:doh2: oh dear, even giving to charity is supposed to ‘get’ you something.

This in a country who’s central ideology is money, no surprise… What I’d like to ask is, if nobody should be forced by government to help out with anyone elses healthcare, then why do you believe they should for education?

 

[vern_humphrey]

:doh2: oh dear, even giving to charity is supposed to ‘get’ you something.

You don’t believe that bread cast upon the waters comes back a hundred-fold?

:
This in a country who’s central ideology is money, no surprise… What I’d like to ask is, if nobody should be forced by government to help out with anyone elses healthcare, then why do you believe they should for education?

What I’d like to ask is, if everybody is supported by the government, who’s left to pay those heavy taxes?

Especially when those on the left reject the proposition that they should work up to potential and bear their share of the load?