Socialized healthcare

[goofyjim]

I don’t want socialized healthcare. What I do want is for American corporations to start hiring more people here than overseas and provide health insurance that their employees can buy into. The remaining disabled who can’t work would be covered by a government program to give the same care that those who are able to work get. Is this asking too much? Yet what we have is those corporation taking their business abroad with government tax cuts leaving a swelling number of unemployed individuals and everyone pointing the finger saying they are lazy because they don’t start their own business. Well the federal government is essentially pumping our money aborad instead of investing right here in the states. Sort of bad planning if you ask me.

 

[jj2011]

Sleep: If I sleep less than 7hours I suffer narcolepsy and sleep walking at work no less.

Not that it matters much. My doctors will be surprised if I live past 40.

I sleep 4 hours a day when I’m lucky, and have made it to 46, so perhaps there’s hope for you. I wish you the best.

P.S. I’m not lazy, can’t afford doctors or health care, and don’t want socialized medicine.

 

[goofyjim]

I sleep 4 hours a day when I’m lucky, and have made it to 46, so perhaps there’s hope for you. I wish you the best.

P.S. I’m not lazy, can’t afford doctors or health care, and don’t want socialized medicine.

Good for you. I’m not lazy either. I am disabled. There is a difference. Due to stress reasons I am unable to work 40 hours. But I help others in my free time, get 8 hours of sleep and enjoy some other down time. But I am by no means lazy and I distrust anyone who will call me so.

 

[Al_Masetti]

I don’t want socialized healthcare. What I do want is for American corporations to start hiring more people here than overseas and provide health insurance that their employees can buy into. The remaining disabled who can’t work would be covered by a government program to give the same care that those who are able to work get. Is this asking too much? Yet what we have is those corporation taking their business abroad with government tax cuts leaving a swelling number of unemployed individuals and everyone pointing the finger saying they are lazy because they don’t start their own business. Well the federal government is essentially pumping our money aborad instead of investing right here in the states. Sort of bad planning if you ask me.

People go where they’re wanted. And they leave from where they are not wanted.

It’s called voting with their feet.

If you heap abuse on a dog, he will run away.

Corporations are overtaxed and over-regulated here in the United States. So they vote with their feet … and move to Ireland, or India or to whatever state or country makes them welcome.

Visit www.fairtax.org and also www.atr.org

And www.boortz.com

By abolishing all income taxes including the corporate tax, and the inheritance tax, corporations and high net worth individuals can be incentivized to invest their money in the United States … and that is what creates jobs.

 

[Al_Masetti]

What about those working in offices, factories, labs. I work in a place where familiarity between people is considered innapropriate, where you can’t talk in the breaks or lunchbreak. Havn’t had a conversation where I could talk freely with anyone (outside of immediate family) going on 2 years. Where do you find the time to meet friends or a potential marriage partner when there’s no time to socialize? What are we working *for *if all anyone should idealy do is work. Sometimes I like to walk in a park, observe some blue sky for a change, get some fresh air. It’s called variation, most humans need it. I realize there are bigger things in life, things worth sacrificing spare time for, but what are you helping people for if all they should be doing (once helped) is one thing, over and over again?

That’s been the experience of the vast majority of people.

That’s why there are bowling teams, trips by groups for hiking and canoeing, library book discussion groups. Most churches have large numbers of social groups ranging from job search assistance to singing. And a lot of churches have trips. Commercially, there are places that teach karate, dancing. Most communities have adult school courses run by the high schools … everything from computer skills to water color and creative writing. Hospitals and blood banks have programs that need volunteers … from hospitality to transporting patients. There are community colleges that offer classes at nights and weekends. There are groups that teach public speaking. There are theater groups that need everyone from stage hands to musicians to people who have some skill with setting up and tearing down. There are personal interest groups covering everything from astronomy to gardening to investing to short wave / ham radio. They all publish magazines and have meetings. Visit your library or Borders or Barnes & Nobles to see what’s available. Bookstores and supermarkets have bulletin boards announcing community meetings and groups. Not every one will appeal to everyone.

Every local newspaper including the free shoppers print press releases that talk about the activities of local groups … for one reason only … to attract new members.

Some folks who belong art associations are not artists; they just like to help out with the behind the scenes grunt work of setting up and doing all the paperwork needed to keep a program running smoothly. Some of the non-artists (and artists) help out by organizing bus trips. One Catholic parish near us has both a theater group and an art association. They put on fantastic presentations and need huge numbers of volunteers for everything from painting flats for sets to getting everything torn down in time for school to resume on the Monday.

Every professional organization has annual meetings, some of which are extremely elaborate; there is an army of people working behind the scenes to make it flow smoothly. There are Expo’s in every major city. It is possible to get a free ticket just by asking around. Wonderful opportunity to see new stuff and meet new people.

Every one of them is an opportunity to both meet people and to help out.

Not every group or every meeting is going to produce lifetime or intimate relationships. But there are large numbers of opportunities to meet new people and see how other people relate to one another. It’s fun just to watch. Important to see how other people relate to learn how to develop social skills and public manners.

Most everybody I know has been involved with one thing or another. And made friends outside of work that way.

 

[goofyjim]

People go where they’re wanted. And they leave from where they are not wanted.

It’s called voting with their feet.

If you heap abuse on a dog, he will run away.

Corporations are overtaxed and over-regulated here in the United States. So they vote with their feet … and move to Ireland, or India or to whatever state or country makes them welcome.

Visit www.fairtax.org and also www.atr.org

And www.boortz.com

By abolishing all income taxes including the corporate tax, and the inheritance tax, corporations and high net worth individuals can be incentivized to invest their money in the United States … and that is what creates jobs.

Fine as long as we do not cut back services to the disabled. Give them the same quality health care as everyone else has.

 

[goofyjim]

People go where they’re wanted. And they leave from where they are not wanted.

It’s called voting with their feet.

If you heap abuse on a dog, he will run away.

Corporations are overtaxed and over-regulated here in the United States. So they vote with their feet … and move to Ireland, or India or to whatever state or country makes them welcome.

Visit www.fairtax.org and also www.atr.org

And www.boortz.com

By abolishing all income taxes including the corporate tax, and the inheritance tax, corporations and high net worth individuals can be incentivized to invest their money in the United States … and that is what creates jobs.

Again I agree with sales tax replacing the income tax but 23 cents on the dollar will cripple the poor. We can lower it for them.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Again I agree with sales tax replacing the income tax but 23 cents on the dollar will cripple the poor. We can lower it for them.

The proposal check out H.R. 25 ] and the Fair Tax books propose a “prebate”. Every citizen will receive an identical monthly check for the amount of the sales tax they would pay up to the poverty level. That way everyone starts off with a level playing field.

Visit www.fairtax.org and also view the Neal Boortz presentations on www.booktv.org

They have rallies from time to time; check the schedule to see when they have one near you.

 

[goofyjim]

The proposal check out H.R. 25 ] and the Fair Tax books propose a “prebate”. Every citizen will receive an identical monthly check for the amount of the sales tax they would pay up to the poverty level. That way everyone starts off with a level playing field.

Visit www.fairtax.org and also view the Neal Boortz presentations on www.booktv.org

They have rallies from time to time; check the schedule to see when they have one near you.

I’ll drum up the idea by talking about it but I really don’t have time for rallies.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Fine as long as we do not cut back services to the disabled. Give them the same quality health care as everyone else has.

The Fair Tax ONLY affects the way the money is collected. It is totally revenue neutral in terms of collecting exactly the same amount of money as is collected now by the dog’s breakfast of income, payroll and other taxes.

It will allow you to bring home a full paycheck. And you get to decide how much to spend, not the government. You can save as much as you can or want to from your full paycheck. You get to choose and you get to decide.

There is absolutely no impact on programs or services.

The other aspect is transparency. The taxes would become transparent instead of hidden (as they are now).

AND transparency will also work by having every government agency post ALL expenditures to the internet.

You, personally, may be concerned with getting health care. Well, you may find that there are so many agencies doing duplicate functions with very high administrative costs, that in the end, the people are getting very few actual services … the money is all being eaten up with admin expenses.

But the expenditure side of the government is totally separated from the tax collection side.

Read up on it. Check out both the Neal Boortz work as well as the Mark Skousen work.

 

[goofyjim]

I have yet to hear any apology for calling some people lazy but I won’t hold my breath waiting.

 

[Al_Masetti]

I’ll drum up the idea by talking about it but I really don’t have time for rallies.

That’s ok. What you do is find things that do allow you to get out and about. If you try 50 things, you may be fortunate to find one or two that appeal. Maybe not. So you try another 50 things.

And, there is one thing that anyone can do regardless of what their experience level is or interest level.

They can pray for others. Pray all day. Keep a rosary in hand all day. Or just when not working. But praying for others can occupy 100 hours a week.

CAF has a prayer intention forum. People post prayer requests there all the time.

Every few minutes.

I even posted one a week ago and posted a followup yesterday.

Keep a pad next to the computer and copy down the intentions of each poster and pray for those folks all the time.

Some of our greatest saints and even Doctors of the Church did just that. Some of them were extremely ill and they did what they could: they prayed constantly. Their total focus was on the needs of others and on the Greatness of God.

 

[Al_Masetti]

I have yet to hear any apology for calling some people lazy but I won’t hold my breath waiting.

I don’t know that I ever used the word lazy, although I did suggest that some folks who put in less than 186 hours a week might be slothful.

I apologize for that.

But it is important to focus outside of yourself. Regardless of your own circumstances.

Get that “Spiritual Combat” book.

Find a parish that has Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration and use that time to read that Spiritual Combat book. Focus on Jesus in the Monstrance.

When our parish initiated the Perpetual Eucharist Adoration program, a visiting priest who helped organize it said that we as individual participants might have trouble sitting still for the whole hour. But the experience has been the opposite. Our prayers … our conversations with God … have been so full that one hour isn’t nearly enough.

We use all sorts of guides to help us … the ACTS “model”: Adoration, Contrition, Thanksgiving, Supplication.

Or, the STOIC “model” … Supplication, Thanksgiving, Offertory, Infinity, Contrition …

Where we open ourselves up to receiving God’s Grace.

CA, CUF Catholics United for the Faith ], TAN books, … and others all have guides for prayer. Different ones appeal to different folks.

Just start and let God take the lead.

Just listen. Focus on Him.

Visualize Jesus walking beside us in our daily lives.

Remember how Jesus used to visit the pub … frequently enough that He was criticized for it. He would listen to people’s problems and walk with them.

 

[goofyjim]

That’s ok. What you do is find things that do allow you to get out and about. If you try 50 things, you may be fortunate to find one or two that appeal. Maybe not. So you try another 50 things.

And, there is one thing that anyone can do regardless of what their experience level is or interest level.

They can pray for others. Pray all day. Keep a rosary in hand all day. Or just when not working. But praying for others can occupy 100 hours a week.

CAF has a prayer intention forum. People post prayer requests there all the time.

Every few minutes.

I even posted one a week ago and posted a followup yesterday.

Keep a pad next to the computer and copy down the intentions of each poster and pray for those folks all the time.

Some of our greatest saints and even Doctors of the Church did just that. Some of them were extremely ill and they did what they could: they prayed constantly. Their total focus was on the needs of others and on the Greatness of God.

And I do that but I also sleep 8 hours a night and watch a little tv occasionally. One does not have to totally exhaust themselves over others because in order to be able to give of yourself you must have yourself to give. So a little time to rest is not being lazy. And let each individual determine his own necessary rest time w/o throwing the “lazy” term around so quickly. Each person is different.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Fine as long as we do not cut back services to the disabled. Give them the same quality health care as everyone else has.

This is a post I made about Mark Skousen appearance on BookTV:

I also came across Mark Skousen’s presentation on his new book, “Econopower”.

The presentation is excellent.

booktv.org/program.aspx?P…PlayMedia =No

And is directly relevant to the topic.

The really CORE issue is transparency: both the tax collection side AND the places where the money goes must be transparent to everyone. AND thanks to the Internet, now both can be.

His books are great, but you’d go broke buying all of these books yourself. So ask your library to get them. That way they can warehouse them for you and others can share in your joy.

 

[goofyjim]

I don’t know that I ever used the word lazy, although I did suggest that some folks who put in less than 186 hours a week might be slothful.

I apologize for that.

But it is important to focus outside of yourself. Regardless of your own circumstances.

Get that “Spiritual Combat” book.

Find a parish that has Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration and use that time to read that Spiritual Combat book. Focus on Jesus in the Monstrance.

When our parish initiated the Perpetual Eucharist Adoration program, a visiting priest who helped organize it said that we as individual participants might have trouble sitting still for the whole hour. But the experience has been the opposite. Our prayers … our conversations with God … have been so full that one hour isn’t nearly enough.

We use all sorts of guides to help us … the ACTS “model”: Adoration, Contrition, Thanksgiving, Supplication.

Or, the STOIC “model” … Supplication, Thanksgiving, Offertory, Infinity, Contrition …

Where we open ourselves up to receiving God’s Grace.

CA, CUF Catholics United for the Faith ], TAN books, … and others all have guides for prayer. Different ones appeal to different folks.

Just start and let God take the lead.

Just listen. Focus on Him.

Visualize Jesus walking beside us in our daily lives.

Remember how Jesus used to visit the pub … frequently enough that He was criticized for it. He would listen to people’s problems and walk with them.

You have no idea what I do in my spare time and since I am not accountable to you but only to God alone I will not engage in this debate any further.

 

[Al_Masetti]

And I do that but I also sleep 8 hours a night and watch a little tv occasionally. One does not have to totally exhaust themselves over others because in order to be able to give of yourself you must have yourself to give. So a little time to rest is not being lazy. And let each individual determine his own necessary rest time w/o throwing the “lazy” term around so quickly. Each person is different.

Read that “Spiritual Combat” book. I think you’d like it. And get a lot from it.

It is so well written, that you have to read it slowly. Sometimes only a few sentences a day. Very powerful. Very effective.

It allows us to focus outside of ourselves.

I think it is vital to focus outside of self.

Combine that with the “Weeds Among the Wheat” book.

[Sometimes, Fr. Thomas Green, who wrote “Weeds Among the Wheat” appears on EWTN. Good speaker.]

 

[goofyjim]

Read that “Spiritual Combat” book. I think you’d like it. And get a lot from it.

It is so well written, that you have to read it slowly. Sometimes only a few sentences a day. Very powerful. Very effective.

It allows us to focus outside of ourselves.

I think it is vital to focus outside of self.

Combine that with the “Weeds Among the Wheat” book.

[Sometimes, Fr. Thomas Green, who wrote “Weeds Among the Wheat” appears on EWTN. Good speaker.]

I’ll pass. You are still inferring that I do not think outside myself. That is a judgment of the heart which no human is able to make.

 

[Al_Masetti]

I’ll pass. You are still inferring that I do not think outside myself. That is a judgment of the heart which no human is able to make.

When someone complains “woe is me”… then they are admitting that they are focused inwards instead of outside of themselves.

That’s the key. Focus outside instead of inwards.

Pray for the needs of OTHERS.

And ask OTHERS to pray for you.

Jim, you are now on my prayer list. It’s scotch taped to my computer screen.

Please put me on your prayer list.

I’d appreciate it.

 

[vern_humphrey]

If I work more than 40hours a week I end up getting so sick and agitating my illnesses so much I lose money and cause society to lose money because I have to file for bankruptcy on the medical bills for the health care I need but cannot afford

You’re basically saying that I can’t complain about anything, ever, just sit back and die.

Don’t put words in my mouth.

What I said is simple – many people are couch potatos. They want to sit back and cheer for the government program of their choice, but they do nothing to move the ball themselves.

I have never heard anyone who advocated a new or expanded government program say, “***I’***ll have to work harder to pay my share.”

Personally, I work. I have a farm, I tutor kids and nursing students, work with Right to Life, work as a disaster recovery councilor, and so on. And pay taxes on top of all that.