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Don’t put words in my mouth.

What I said is simple – many people are couch potatos. They want to sit back and cheer for the government program of their choice, but they do nothing to move the ball themselves.

I have never heard anyone who advocated a new or expanded government program say, “***I’***ll have to work harder to pay my share.”

Personally, I work. I have a farm, I tutor kids and nursing students, work with Right to Life, work as a disaster recovery councilor, and so on. And pay taxes on top of all that.
I agree with the idea of less government but calling people names is forbidden in these forums and you continue to do so by calling them couch potatoes. You don’t know what others do with their free time and until you do you shouldn’t be throwing such terms around.
 
C’mon Jim, Vern not called anyone on this forum a couch potato LOL. What he said, “they’re couch potatos out there.” Now if you don’t think they’re a bunch of able bodied folks out there on the govt dole I dunno what to tell ya.
 
C’mon Jim, Vern not called anyone on this forum a couch potato LOL. What he said, “they’re couch potatos out there.” Now if you don’t think they’re a bunch of able bodied folks out there on the govt dole I dunno what to tell ya.
Depends. They may be able bodied but not able minded. It is a mighty big presumption that one would go on the govt doel when you really can’t survive off it anyhow. Noone would purposely go on it. They have their reasons.
 
Good for you. I’m not lazy either. I am disabled. There is a difference. Due to stress reasons I am unable to work 40 hours. But I help others in my free time, get 8 hours of sleep and enjoy some other down time. But I am by no means lazy and I distrust anyone who will call me so.
And no one has ever called you lazy – so please don’t pretend they have.

The issue is those who **can **work harder, but won’t – and yet expect others to pay more.
 
And no one has ever called you lazy – so please don’t pretend they have.

The issue is those who **can **work harder, but won’t – and yet expect others to pay more.
And the issue is whether one has any God given right to say someone else Can work harder. Not all are capable of the same level. Everyone pays according to their means. To automatically assume that everyone is capable of the same level of work is just plain ludicrous.
 
I have yet to hear any apology for calling some people lazy but I won’t hold my breath waiting.
And I have yet to hear any apology for falsely claiming someone called you lazy but I won’t hold my breath waiting.😉
 
I sleep 4 hours a day when I’m lucky, and have made it to 46, so perhaps there’s hope for you. I wish you the best.

P.S. I’m not lazy, can’t afford doctors or health care, and don’t want socialized medicine.
I wish I was joking or exaggerating, but I’m not. Simply speaking my organs and bones are aging at a rate far beyond the 28years of the rest of me. I developed osteoporosis, something not normally seen in people under 60, at 19 years of age. My MRI’s also already show the hints of early onset Alzheimer’s

I recently broke my hip in the way elder folks do, it simply shattered from me bumping into something sideways a little too hard. I barely had a bruise, but it cracked one side of my hip straight through.
 
And the issue is whether one has any God given right to say someone else Can work harder. Not all are capable of the same level. Everyone pays according to their means. To automatically assume that everyone is capable of the same level of work is just plain ludicrous.
No, the issue is whether one has any God given right to say someone else should pay the freight, while not accepting their responsibility to pay their fair share.

I repeat: I have seen many people say someone else should pay more, but I have never seen anyone say, “I should pay more.”
 
And I have yet to hear any apology for falsely claiming someone called you lazy but I won’t hold my breath waiting.😉
Did you read my quote first? I didn’t claim you called me lazy. You call others lazy who don’t work as much as you do. They have their reasons and shouldn’t be called lazy. Of course now you’re putting words in my mouth, as you so wonderfully accuse everyone else of doing. Not everyone is capable of the same workload.
 
No, the issue is whether one has any God given right to say someone else should pay the freight, while not accepting their responsibility to pay their fair share.

I repeat: I have seen many people say someone else should pay more, but I have never seen anyone say, “I should pay more.”
The fair tax would solve this problem.
 
Don’t put words in my mouth.

What I said is simple – many people are couch potatos. They want to sit back and cheer for the government program of their choice, but they do nothing to move the ball themselves.

I have never heard anyone who advocated a new or expanded government program say, “***I’***ll have to work harder to pay my share.”

Personally, I work. I have a farm, I tutor kids and nursing students, work with Right to Life, work as a disaster recovery councilor, and so on. And pay taxes on top of all that.
I’d gladly take a 50% paycut, heck even a 75% paycut just to get health insurance that actually provides me coverage.
 
Did you read my quote first? I didn’t claim you called me lazy. You call others lazy who don’t work as much as you do. They have their reasons and shouldn’t be called lazy. Of course now you’re putting words in my mouth, as you so wonderfully accuse everyone else of doing. Not everyone is capable of the same workload.
Jim, that’s totally false.

If what you say is true, then you, yourself stand convicted by your own words – for do not **you **say things about others? How is it you have a right to accuse some people of “watching the ticker for 3 or 4 hours a day” but others don’t have a right to point out that there are many who do not work up to potential?

You have a double standard there, my man – you can accuse others, and yet attack others for pointing out the obvious, that many don’t pull their own weight.
 
Jim, that’s totally false.

If what you say is true, then you, yourself stand convicted by your own words – for do not **you **say things about others? How is it you have a right to accuse some people of “watching the ticker for 3 or 4 hours a day” but others don’t have a right to point out that there are many who do not work up to potential?

You have a double standard there, my man – you can accuse others, and yet attack others for pointing out the obvious, that many don’t pull their own weight.
And how often have you insisted that everyone is just plain lazy who doesn’t work the same as you do? You often do the same things yourself. I offer my apologies but expect some from you as well. Otherwise I will retract mine.
 
I’d gladly take a 50% paycut, heck even a 75% paycut just to get health insurance that actually provides me coverage.
I know you would. And perhaps if all the people beating the drum for **somone else ** to pay would accept their responsibility, work harder, and contribute their fair share, you could have it.
 
How so? Would people who work below potential suddenly perk up and start working harder?
Have you checked out the fair tax? It would end this senseless argument of who should pay more in income tax and let people keep all their income if they so desire. Then there would be no class disputes about progressive, regressive or whatever.
 
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Depends. They may be able bodied but not able minded. It is a mighty big presumption that one would go on the govt doel when you really can’t survive off it anyhow. Noone would purposely go on it. They have their reasons.
I’m not referring to those who are legitmate, I have no problem assisting these folks, and I wish the govt would let me do more through my own means, but I can’t because they garnish my income, and distribute it how they see fit, but thats another issue.

I’m looking speifically at the disablity check. They’re are millions and millions of people on these checks, with questionable ailments. I have personal knowledge of 9 (not gonna tell ya how I know that info, but is truthful) on a disability check. Now they’re varying degrees of disability and some get more than others. All 9 work odd jobs on the side when they feel like it, making cash on the side with no 1099.

There is a entire legal industry devoted into getting people disability checks. I’m telling ya Jimbo its almost comical the way these people ride all over town looking for doctors to support their claim they’re disabled and can’t work. They’ll expend more effort trying to convince some govt file clerk as to why he needs a montly check, than most folks do on a job.

These lawyers have MDs on retainer, who’ll sign off on a stubbed toe, for 90% disability, and the sad thing about this, the poor file clerk, swamped with 1000s of claims, will negoitate that stubbed toe down to 50%, just to get shut of him, and there ya have it. And that guy is subject to draw that check for 40 years!

It goes on everyday, in every state. For crying out loud, a year after Katrina there were over 40 bodies unclaimed in the morgue down there. Noway the families of those deceased didn’t know something was wrong when Uncle Jack wasn’t at the Thanksgiving Day supper, and nobody has seen him in 3 months. No, they left Uncle Jack unidentified in the morgue because there is a SSI check attached to him, and those checks are being cashed, and thats the mentality you gotta deal with in a entitlement society that was created in the
60s, that is now multi generational.

For sure the govt has cracked down on the disability fraud but only compared to 20 years ago, when everybody who walked in the office sneezing got one. “I can’t work in the spring my allergies are too bad,” “Ok, since you can only work half a year here’s a check for 50% disabled.” And we are still paying those people, and will continue to do so.

It’s just a broken system Jimbo. For every legit person in this system, I can show ya a fraudlent one, so pointing the legit guy not gonna mean the system is good. I’ll concede the fact the program helps alot of people, but whenever someone like Vern points out it is a terrible system and those defrauding it need to go out and get a JOB, a bunch of left wingers jump and down and say he’s insenstive and cruel.
 
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I’m not referring to those who are legitmate, I have no problem assisting these folks, and I wish the govt would let me do more through my own means, but I can’t because they garnish my income, and distribute it how they see fit, but thats another issue.

I’m looking speifically at the disablity check. They’re are millions and millions of people on these checks, with questionable ailments. I have personal knowledge of 9 (not gonna tell ya how I know that info, but is truthful) on a disability check. Now they’re varying degrees of disability and some get more than others. All 9 work odd jobs on the side when they feel like it, making cash on the side with no 1099.

There is a entire legal industry devoted into getting people disability checks. I’m telling ya Jimbo its almost comical the way these people ride all over town looking for doctors to support their claim they’re disabled and can’t work. They’ll expend more effort trying to convince some govt file clerk as to why he needs a montly check, than most folks do on a job.

These lawyers have MDs on retainer, who’ll sign off on a stubbed toe, for 90% disability, and the sad thing about this, the poor file clerk, swamped with 1000s of claims, will negoitate that stubbed toe down to 50%, just to get shut of him, and there ya have it. And that guy is subject to draw that check for 40 years!

It goes on everyday, in every state. For crying out loud, a year after Katrina there were over 40 bodies unclaimed in the morgue down there. Noway the families of those deceased didn’t know something was wrong when Uncle Jack wasn’t at the Thanksgiving Day supper, and nobody has seen him in 3 months. No, they left Uncle Jack unidentified in the morgue because there is a SSI check attached to him, and those checks are being cashed, and thats the mentality you gotta deal with in a entitlement society that was created in the
60s, that is now multi generational.

For sure the govt has cracked down on the disability fraud but only compared to 20 years ago, when everybody who walked in the office sneezing got one. “I can’t work in the spring my allergies are too bad,” “Ok, since you can only work half a year here’s a check for 50% disabled.” And we are still paying those people, and will continue to do so.

It’s just a broken system Jimbo. For every legit person in this system, I can show ya a fraudlent one, so pointing the legit guy not gonna mean the system is good. I’ll concede the fact the program helps alot of people, but whenever someone like Vern points out it is a terrible system and those defrauding it need to go out and get a JOB, a bunch of left wingers jump and down and say he’s insenstive and cruel.
And the system would not pay for a temporary disability. I don’t know where everyone comes up with the figure of one false claim for every truthful claim. You don’t have the aggregate numbers to back your claim so I must assume you speak purely from emotion on the right wing just like those on the left wing.
 
And how often have you insisted that everyone is just plain lazy who doesn’t work the same as you do? You often do the same things yourself. I offer my apologies but expect some from you as well. Otherwise I will retract mine.
Show me a quote where I said you were lazy. You can’t, because I never did.

On the other hand, I can show you many a quote where someone said other people should pay – but didn’t say they will work harder and pay their share.
 
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