Sola Fide in the Gospels

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Hi everyone.

I was wondering if Protestants know of any place where Jesus supposedly taught Sola Fide? (Salvation by Faith Alone.)

When I’ve seen proof-texts for the doctrine, they usually come only from the Letter of Paul. Are there any proof texts from the mouth of Jesus in the Gospels?

Thanks and God bless,
 
JJ59 said:
Hi everyone.

I was wondering if Protestants know of any place where Jesus supposedly taught Sola Fide? (Salvation by Faith Alone.)

When I’ve seen proof-texts for the doctrine, they usually come only from the Letter of Paul. Are there any proof texts from the mouth of Jesus in the Gospels?

Thanks and God bless,
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John 3:16 for one, but I’m no fan of proof-texting. I think it was Melanchton who said that for every verse you find to support your view, look for three that oppose it, or something like that. And sola fide never denies the necessity of following Christ’s commands. A true faith, one that saves, is an active faith, doing the good works he prepared for us, participating in our growth in grace through hearing the word and the sacraments, etc.

Jon
 
You might want to check out This Thread

It is still active, but winding down. It is a great example of how a protestant attempts to show Sola Fide and how we Catholics refute it. EstseBob (or something like that) gives the best example of showing that it is really a man made doctrine.
 
JonNC said:
John 3:16 for one, but I’m no fan of proof-texting. I think it was Melanchton who said that for every verse you find to support your view, look for three that oppose it, or something like that. And sola fide never denies the necessity of following Christ’s commands. A true faith, one that saves, is an active faith, doing the good works he prepared for us, participating in our growth in grace through hearing the word and the sacraments, etc.

Jon
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John 3:16 mentions nothing about being saved by “faith alone.” It only says the following:

“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”

Second, Jesus himself did not said it. It is the Gospel Writer, John who wrote the narrative. You do not have Jesus say it verbum
 
Mannyfit75 said:
John 3:16 mentions nothing about being saved by “faith alone.” It only says the following:

“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”

Second, Jesus himself did not said it. It is the Gospel Writer, John who wrote the narrative. You do not have Jesus say it verbum
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Oh, I see. I guess you’ll have to debate this with someone who plays that particular game of “the Bible has to say it, specifically, word for word, verbatum.”

How about John 20:29 “***Blessed ***are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” But, alas, he doesn’t say verbatum “faith alone”.

But instead, I have an idea that perhaps we can agree on, instead of looking for things to disagree on:
15.In faith we together hold the conviction that justification is the work of the triune God. The Father sent his Son into the world to save sinners. The foundation and presupposition of justification is the incarnation, death, and resurrection of Christ. Justification thus means that Christ himself is our righteousness, in which we share through the Holy Spirit in accord with the will of the Father. Together we confess: By grace alone, in faith in Christ’s saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works.
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Jon
 
JonNC said:
Oh, I see. I guess you’ll have to debate this with someone who plays that particular game of “the Bible has to say it, specifically, word for word, verbatum.”

How about John 20:29 “***Blessed ***are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” But, alas, he doesn’t say verbatum “faith alone”.

But instead, I have an idea that perhaps we can agree on, instead of looking for things to disagree on:

Jon
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That passage has nothing to do with faith alone nor does John 20:29 implied the doctrine of faith alone. The passage merely makes a statement that anyone who has not seen Jesus and believe in him. The probably I have specifically is the word “ALONE”

The only passage in Scripture that mentions “faith alone” is in James 2:24. I do not have a problem with having faith because having faith in God is essentially part of our salvation; only the concept or doctrine of faith alone I fully reject.
 
Mannyfit75 said:
That passage has nothing to do with faith alone nor does John 20:29 implied the doctrine of faith alone. The passage merely makes a statement that anyone who has not seen Jesus and believe in him. The probably I have specifically is the word “ALONE”

The only passage in Scripture that mentions “faith alone” is in James 2:24. I do not have a problem with having faith because having faith in God is essentially part of our salvation; only the concept or doctrine of faith alone I fully reject.
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Oops, those are not Christ’s words “verbatum” in James 2:24.
See how silly this is?

Again, can we agree on:
15.In faith we together hold the conviction that justification is the work of the triune God. The Father sent his Son into the world to save sinners. The foundation and presupposition of justification is the incarnation, death, and resurrection of Christ. Justification thus means that Christ himself is our righteousness, in which we share through the Holy Spirit in accord with the will of the Father. Together we confess: By grace alone, in faith in Christ’s saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works.
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Jon
 
JonNC said:
Oops, those are not Christ’s words “verbatum” in James 2:24.
See how silly this is?
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Um, I did not claim they were Christ’s words. I only use that passage to show that the only part in the Bible that mentions faith alone is in James 2:24.
 
=Mannyfit75;5377952]Um, I did not claim they were Christ’s words. I only use that passage to show that the only part in the Bible that mentions faith alone is in James 2:24.
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Blessings, Manny.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
Again, can we agree on:
15.In faith we together hold the conviction that justification is the work of the triune God. The Father sent his Son into the world to save sinners. The foundation and presupposition of justification is the incarnation, death, and resurrection of Christ. Justification thus means that Christ himself is our righteousness, in which we share through the Holy Spirit in accord with the will of the Father. Together we confess: By grace alone, in faith in Christ’s saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works.
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Yes, we can agree on that. Where we disagree, or at least where Catholics and many Protestants disagree, is that we can lose our justification - which was a free gift from God, not based on merit - just as the Prodigal Son squandered his inheritance. In fact, the parable of the Prodigal Son neatly sums up Catholic soteriology. And all of this demonstrates why nobody can object to infant Baptism, since no merit is required.
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Jesus didnt know anyhting about Faith Alone becuase Scripture was not complete when he died. Since the doctrine of “Faith Alone” (coupled with personal intepretation) is not sustainable without “Scripture Alone” one could not expect Jesus to be aware of this doctrine. Had he had the benefit of a COMPLTE Bible Iam sure he would have said a lot more about it.
 
Luke65 said:
Yes, we can agree on that. Where we disagree, or at least where Catholics and many Protestants disagree, is that we can lose our justification - which was a free gift from God, not based on merit - just as the Prodigal Son squandered his inheritance. In fact, the parable of the Prodigal Son neatly sums up Catholic soteriology. And all of this demonstrates why nobody can object to infant Baptism, since no merit is required.
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Completely agree.

Jon
 
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JonNC:
And sola fide never denies the necessity of following Christ’s commands. A true faith, one that saves, is an active faith, doing the good works he prepared for us, participating in our growth in grace through hearing the word and the sacraments, etc.
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I was just going to ask how the OP defined ‘faith’ when used in ‘faith alone’.

So can we be saved by faith alone?.. Well how is ‘faith’ being defined?

A lot of the headaches can be solved if we understood what people mean by what they say… A novel idea I know.

God bless you
 
estesbob said:
Jesus didnt know anyhting about Faith Alone becuase Scripture was not complete when he died. Since the doctrine of “Faith Alone” (coupled with personal intepretation) is not sustainable without “Scripture Alone” one could not expect Jesus to be aware of this doctrine. Had he had the benefit of a COMPLTE Bible Iam sure he would have said a lot more about it.
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Jesus was omniscient. So He knew all about the demonic doctrine of salvation by faith alone, which has led to a practical atheist “Christian” society. And this is why He explicitly taught that if you (Christians) don’t do good works with the grace that He has given you, then at your judgment He will say to you: “I never knew you.”
 
Luke65 said:
Jesus was omniscient. So He knew all about the demonic doctrine of salvation by faith alone, which has led to a practical atheist “Christian” society. And this is why He explicitly taught that if you (Christians) don’t do good works with the grace that He has given you, then at your judgment He will say to you: “I never knew you.”
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I think using the term “good works” muddies the water. What God asks is faith and obedience.

BTW-you are aware my original post was tongue in cheek?
 
estesbob said:
I think using the term “good works” muddies the water. What God asks is faith and obedience.

BTW-you are aware my original post was tongue in cheek?
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Oops! :o

And yes, faith and obedience, which includes repentance when we fall short, is what God requires of us. When I said “good works” I was referring to Our Lord’s teaching on feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, etc., which concluded with, “I never knew you”, for those who don’t obey His teachings.
 
Luke65 said:
Yes, we can agree on that. Where we disagree, or at least where Catholics and many Protestants disagree, is that we can lose our justification - which was a free gift from God, not based on merit - just as the Prodigal Son squandered his inheritance. In fact, the parable of the Prodigal Son neatly sums up Catholic soteriology. And all of this demonstrates why nobody can object to infant Baptism, since no merit is required.
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Ok this may be off subject but the part about infant baptism was very good. I have never thoguht about it like that. Hopefully my protestant friends will see the logic of it too. Thank you:thumbsup:
 
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