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sancte_joseph
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Where is sola scriptura in the bible???
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Charlie_Zeaiter
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It’s near the verse that says Mary had other children. 
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abucs
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Of course it’s in one of those other books that the Catholics purposely left out of the bible 
Probably burned all copies sometime in the 4th century. :juggle: :whacky: :juggle:
Probably burned all copies sometime in the 4th century. :juggle: :whacky: :juggle:
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JonathanEdwards
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When Jesus confronted Satan in the wilderness, did He say “it is written…” or “the Catholic church declares…”?
Which authority did He appeal to?
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With_Questions
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JonathanEdwards
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Sola scriptura is the doctrine that says that the Bible is God’s inspired and authoritative word, and is the authority by which tradition, revelation, doctrine and practice must be judged.
The Catholics will tell you that we believe it means that the Bible is the only source of authority, but this is not true.
We also accept the authority of the church (just not their particular branch of the church), the creeds and confessions of Christianity, and tradition, among other things.
We believe that each of these is a valid source of doctrine and pratice. We just believe that they are to defer to the authority of God’s word and are valid only inasmuch as they are in agreement with God’s word.
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MrS
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Matthew 28:
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing non-infants in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 writing the new testament, and teaching them from Scriptures alone to interpret, as they wish, all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you, and any version of a church you wish to invent, always, to the close of the age."
The rest of the detail is included in Matthew, Chapter 29, including the instructions to make the literal into the symbolic, the abrogation of the Church heirarchy, and the disolution of the ministerial priesthood.
Oh yeah, and to avoid anything in the future that is labeled Catholic.
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19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing non-infants in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 writing the new testament, and teaching them from Scriptures alone to interpret, as they wish, all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you, and any version of a church you wish to invent, always, to the close of the age."
The rest of the detail is included in Matthew, Chapter 29, including the instructions to make the literal into the symbolic, the abrogation of the Church heirarchy, and the disolution of the ministerial priesthood.
Oh yeah, and to avoid anything in the future that is labeled Catholic.
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MrS
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And that reasoning answers the many and varied interpretations of “doctrine and practice” how ???
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MrS
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You raised it… you play with it. The bottom line, though, is that there are a whole lot more than one, one hundred, or one thousand.
The questions asks if Sola Scriptura is biblical, not what it is.
And of course it is not Biblical, and neither is the concept of more than one Church. “… I will build My Church…” is singular.
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With_Questions
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That sounds reasonable. What could be wrong with that?
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JonathanEdwards
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Actually, I didn’t raise it. He asked what sola scriptura is and I told him.
His exact words were: “What is sola scriptura?”
That sure sounds like he’s asking what it is to me.
I agree. There is one church. It’s just not the exclusivity of the Catholic church.
I see that you like to say that sola scriptura isn’t Biblical and yet, you don’t seem to be able to answer my question:
When Jesus confronted Satan in the wilderness, did He appeal to the authority of scripture by stating “it is written…” or did He appeal to the authority of the Catholic church by stating “the Catholic chuch has declared…”?
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iaskquestions
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He indeed appealed to the authority of the scriptures. But where does that imply sola scriptura? Jesus is speaking here as an Old Testament man. There was no church in the Old Testament. But there is a church in the New Testament and that is what has been given the authority (1 Tim 3:15).
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iaskquestions
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Where does the Bible say that? I don’t find that doctrine in the Bible! It’s a man made doctrine.
As you say, doctrine must be judged by scripture. So tell me, where do you find the doctrine of Sola Scriptura in scripture? Who defines what scripture is? Why do you accept Luther’s definition of what scripture is?
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JonathanEdwards
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It doesn’t. I’m describing what sola scriptura is, not showing where in scripture sola scriptura is taught.
That’s exactly what sola scriptura is: an appeal to the authority of scripture.
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iaskquestions
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The Old Testament was complete with the Old Law. Is scripture complete with the new Law? Or are traditions also involved?
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eucharist04
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Most Catholic doctrine may not be found word for word in the scriptures, but the church appeals to the scriptures for its doctrine. You say that scriptures do not use the words “scripture alone” in the bible, so reason says that you can not believe in scripture alone, because the bible does not use the words scripture alone.
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JonathanEdwards
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Then, by your convoluted logic, I shouldn’t believe in the Trinity and you shouldn’t believe in Purgatory.Most Catholic doctrine may not be found word for word in the scriptures, but the church appeals to the scriptures for its doctrine. You say that scriptures do not use the words “scripture alone” in the bible, so reason says that you can not believe in scripture alone, because the bible does not use the words scripture alone.
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With_Questions
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I am still waiting for the answer to the question as to what exactly is wrong with this statement.
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Church_Militant
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Convoluted? I think not sir…the fact is that Christianity has always believed in implied doctrines. In fact, a great many of the messianic prophesies that Our Lord fulfilled are implied in the Old Testament and that is one thing that has caused the Jews to stumble over Him to this day.
By your fallacious thinking, you might reject Jesus as Messiah.
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