Sola scriptura-Eucharist, Christmas and Easter celebration question

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Sirach2 said:
And JW’s believe THEY alone possess the truth, as they interpret scripture. I wonder if they will adhere to these?

Lk. 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not **hate **father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters–yes, even their own life–such a person cannot be my disciple. (But of course, Jesus is just a nice guy, but they wouldn’t want to be His disciple, anyway. 😛 )

Jn. 12:25 “Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life.” ( Maybe that will enable them to be one of the 144,000 who make it there???)

Ah, but we will get a “wrongful meaning or intention” comeback, yet when presented with the same concept of intentions with respect to goodness, we misinterpret scripture. :rolleyes:
Today’s gospel, coincidentally, spoke about the man whom Jesus healed who was unable to hear or speak correctly, and I felt deep sorrow for those in this condition today, with respect to Truth.
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That’s going off topic once again but hey I’d be happy to discuss all that in another thread thanks… When you have opened one let me know I’ll be there 🙂
 
ChosenOne7 said:
That’s going off topic once again but hey I’d be happy to discuss all that in another thread thanks… When you have opened one let me know I’ll be there 🙂
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Sorry, from past experience, you do not answer when you are caught in a net. Several questions are still unanswered in this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=13200460&postcount=159

To be frank, if I wanted to understand your beliefs, I would welcome the JW door-ringers, but they are programmed by the WT just as radically as you are, and there is no possibility of an earnest discussion. I glanced at your earlier posts since joining CAF, and they are all biased and agenda-driven.
 
Sirach2 said:
Sorry, from past experience, you do not answer when you are caught in a net. Several questions are still unanswered in this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=13200460&postcount=159

To be frank, if I wanted to understand your beliefs, and we respect that… I would welcome the JW door-ringers, but they are programmed by the WT just as radically as you are, and there is no possibility of an earnest discussion. I glanced at your earlier posts since joining CAF, and they are all biased and agenda-driven.
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That’s only a perception you have about us, and we respect that even though it’s wrong. The questioned I have asked has not been answered either but I don’t hold that against you. When I have answered your questions you have said nothing but diverted me to other irrelevant scriptures or back to the documentation question asking for documentation all the time… Even though I eventually answered you with these documentation from your own Catholic encyclopedia you ended off and said nothing but just agreed with the “So what” answer lol… So from that I can see that even when I do answer your question you still won’t get the point even when I give you biblical answers like the account of exodus you just left it… I said nothing… But that’s why I’ve decided to leave the topic since we getting no where I probably feel the same way like you do that we just wasting time now. No disrespect though
 
JonNC said:
Justa,
Do you think it is a fair counter to CO7’s constant drumbeat of pagan this and that to ask if rejecting the divinity of Christ is pagan?

Jon
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Good point, but I doubt you will get an answer.
 
ChosenOne7 said:
The questioned I have asked has not been answered either but I don’t hold that against you.
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However, I DID answer your question here: As for Exodus and the “good intention” … I utterly disagree that it was anywhere near being a “good intention!” God had given them the commandment never to make an idol, and they were corrupt with impatience, doubted God’s providence and fashioned the sacred cows they worshipped in Egypt.

You disagreed with my answer and stated furthermore:
Exodus 32:3,4: 3. So all the people broke off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them to Aaron. 4 And he received the gold from their hand, and he fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made a molded calf. Then they said, “This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!”
Would you not say they doing this with good intentions so as to worship God?
They made an altar and what did they call it? “feast to the Lord”… Good intentions would u not say? I mean what’s wrong with their worship of it for God and not for any other pagan God’s?
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Maybe I’m foolish for attempting to discuss this further, but there are many who read this thread and may be wrongly influenced by the illogic in your reply. You forgot the most important verse in Exodus 32:1, “When the people became aware of Moses’ delay in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said to him, Come make us a god who will be our leader …” This is what you call a GOOD intention? It was evil, right from the core, for they disobeyed God’s command to have no other gods before Him. Yet you dressed it up in your own interpretation using only one single word: feast.

I will continue to hold the truth that God judges an action based on the purity of one’s intention in the heart. You were given several scriptures that back this up, but have glossed over them with this isolated interpretation, saying that “feast” is equated with “good intention” for their evil act.

Look, please at Romans 16:13-16. Just one more incidence among many, that God judges indifferent or neutral deeds, even those of Gentiles, based on the pure motive of goodness in their hearts, despite their not having the law. This is indisputable. Yet you continue to look for loopholes to deny it.

So, my friend, consider your question answered, a second time.

Take my reply one step further as a second reply to using good intentions of celebrating public feasts or birthdays. God does not hold people accountable for JW’s false view of “pagan” celebrations, when in themselves, they are not motivated by evil or pagan logic, but by a heart of thanksgiving to God.
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Sirach2 said:
However, I DID answer your question here: As for Exodus and the “good intention” … I utterly disagree that it was anywhere near being a “good intention!” God had given them the commandment never to make an idol, and they were corrupt with impatience, doubted God’s providence and fashioned the sacred cows they worshipped in Egypt.
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You disagreed with my answer and stated furthermore:

Maybe I’m foolish for attempting to discuss this further, but there are many who read this thread and may be wrongly influenced by the illogic in your reply. You forgot the most important verse in Exodus 32:1, “When the people became aware of Moses’ delay in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said to him, Come make us a god who will be our leader …” This is what you call a GOOD intention? It was evil, right from the core, for they disobeyed God’s command to have no other gods before Him. Yet you dressed it up in your own interpretation using only one single word: feast.

I will continue to hold the truth that God judges an action based on the purity of one’s intention in the heart. You were given several scriptures that back this up, but have glossed over them with this isolated interpretation, saying that “feast” is equated with “good intention” for their evil act.

Look, please at Romans 16:13-16. Just one more incidence among many, that God judges indifferent or neutral deeds, even those of Gentiles, based on the pure motive of goodness in their hearts, despite their not having the law. This is indisputable. Yet you continue to look for loopholes to deny it.

So, my friend, consider your question answered, a second time.

Take my reply one step further as a second reply to using good intentions of celebrating public feasts or birthdays. God does not hold people accountable for JW’s false view of “pagan” celebrations, when in themselves, they are not motivated by evil or pagan logic, but by a heart of thanksgiving to God.
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Jon
 
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