Christ’s work on the Cross means nothing unless a person ACCEPTS it with all one’s heart and soul … and body… St. Luke 10:17 says to give up everything to follow Christ… Have you done that?
But the Bible’s own testimony is that the words of God, divinely inspired, instruct us in righteousness making us fit for every good work.
Very good. The Catholic Church put a name to what you described - Purgatory. What you said is 100% Catholic!
The Bible can’t testify. That is an action(verb). People testify.
So you believe the Bible is the inspired, inerrant word of God because the Bible says so? If I tell you this post I’m writing right now is the inspired, inerrant word of God would you believe it? It says that it is so therefore it must be, right?
If this is true then how do you understand or take the Bible when it says that you must believe in Christ to be saved?
If you claimed to speak in the name of the Lord then we would need to investigate this claim before we could believe that what you write is inspired-inerrant. Would you be willing to claim this?
The Bible is a book. It cannot “speak”. You read words, and you discern meanings. It is not a mystical process. That is unless you have a “talking Bible” such as on tape or CD, but then it is the narrator “speaking to you”. But its still not a “mystical process”.
This would be something many of you seem to freely claim to do. Oh, not in so many words, but in many words…especially when you attempt to tell us Catholics what the Bible “says”. Sometimes I wonder if you hear “voices”…
Yeah…
Try looking, no better still, stop “worshiping” your bible and try reading Augustine’s writings… you’ll find the answers there.
What these kinds of responses is that you and others have problems with discerning figures of speech.This would be something many of you seem to freely claim to do. Oh, not in so many words, but in many words…especially when you attempt to tell us Catholics what the Bible “says”. Sometimes I wonder if you hear “voices”…
Yeah…
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Me understanding what the Bible says is not the same as the Bible testifying.
No, I said that in order to get a point across. I guess I failed. The Koran says it is the inspired word of God. Have you investigated this claim? If so, what was your conclusion? On who’s/what authority did you base this conclusion? If it is your own authority, could you be wrong in your conclusion? Why or why not?
Good questions. i have read up on these kinds of things and there are a number of ways to approach this. One is we could test the Koran for its accuracy on geography. This is a simple test. Secondly and most importantly we could compare it with a source that you and i would agree is inspired-inerrant i.e. the Scriptures. If the Koran contradicts the Scriptures it would be false on that account. I know Musilims won’t accept this outright. They believe the Bible has been corrupted but when you ask them for the eivdence for this claim they have none.
I have absolutely no problem understanding or discerning figures of speech, nor do I have any problem understanding the bulk of English colloquialisms.
What do you think?
Google it… its obvious that your fingers are not broken, besides, you want the answer, I told you where to find it…go look.
Have you done this?
Wasn’t it Augustine who was so adamant about limbo which is no longer a church doctrine?
Done what?
In other words the Reverend McBrien said nothing literally definitive as it is not his place to make public statements as to Church dogma.
One must be very careful when reading “secular” articles that “quote” people… I think that often times much of what is said mysteriously vanishes into thin air, and only what the writer wants to appear does. The article makes it seem that the Professor of Theology is going against Church teachings, and somehow I doubt that a Theology Professor at Notre Dame has much inclination to lie about Church teachings…there is more to the issue than one “soundbite” or a “quip”.
Craig Kennedy;4298553:
I appreciate the spirit in which you write onenow1.What scripture does affirm is this:
At death, a person’s final spiritual state is settled. For those numbered among the sheep (the godly) their spirits are at peace with Christ in an “intermediate” state. This intermediate state is not purgatory but, simply, the soul in its naked state awaiting the resurrection of the body. They then go to heaven in its fullness.
=onenow, This is your opinion Craig, and that is fine. However the topic is : Sola Scriptura is Absolutely biblical: And as you can see many individuals do not agree, so what happens to sola when this occurs ?
Here is the actual biblical opinion the way I see it below.
3:12-15:
“Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire*.”
You see craig we can’t both be right and; as a matter of fact,there is a wide range of opinions on many topics in scripture, in the end our opinions are not relevant. Jesus left us with a hierarchy. This is what devout catholics believe. May the Holy Spirt lead us both as we discern truth.
Peace,onenow1
We shall steer safely through every storm, as long as our heart is right, our intention fervent, our courage steadfast, and our trust fixed in God. St. Francis De Sales
Yes, the topic is sola scriptura is absolutely biblical - and I am taking the affirmative position! It is absolutely biblical because the scriptures claim themselves to reveal God’s unerring will and mind. Furthermore, these scriptures stand over the opinions, traditions and reasoning powers of humans.
I do not disregard tradition or reason. Many good traditions and human theories do not conflict with the scriptures; some may accord or resonate with them; still others are judged by the scriptures and found wanting.
The idea of Purgatory, in my view, is a classic example of my explanation. Sola scriptura means that the scriptures alone stand supreme in determining dogma; therefore, it is my considered belief that the scriptures do not afford a place to the notion of Purgatory.
I agree with you that our opinions are not relevant. Our minds and hearts have to bow to the declarations and propositions of scripture.
Therefore, sola scriptura is absolutely biblical and its practical import is that it is the divine plumbline in deciding what is the truth on an issue.
Jesus and the apostles did not tell anyone about Purgatory because it was not a part of the apostolic message or plan of salvation.
