Sola Scriptura is Absolutely biblical

[dawid]

The church is made up of all sinners who have been united to Christ. It is mutually exclusive from the Roman Catholic denomination. Peter would deny being the first pope, and is a Christian only. The biblical Mary is quite different too.

What is your biblical justification for this statement?
Is it tradition?
Or is it an invalid claim?

 

[Rightlydivide]

Such a statement reveals a vast lack of knowledge about how the canon was formed. There were over 400 works floating about, used in the church, or claiming to be inspired. The church had to distinguish between these. If the table of contents is not inspired, then you have nothing. You might as well read readers digest.

The books were inspired because God is their author.
To say otherwise puts man in the place of God.
God gave us the Bible. Failure to believe this is limiting God.

 

[Reformed]

What is your biblical justification for this statement?
Is it tradition?
Or is it an invalid claim?

The Holy Scriptures is my proof of my statement. Please join us as fellow Christians in an interdenominational bible study. May God be glorified as we search the Scriptures together as God’s adopted children.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=273731

 

[guanophore]

The books were inspired because God is their author.
To say otherwise puts man in the place of God.
God gave us the Bible. Failure to believe this is limiting God.

Of course God gave us the Bible! He worked through the Catholic Church to do this, just as His Word continues to come from the Catholic Church today.

 

[Reformed]

Christians can you answer me?

What is to be the Pillar and Foundation of the truth for any Christian?

Galatians 2:9

and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.

James, Peter (Cephas), John, and Paul were Apostles who taught biblical truth. Just because you read the word “church” in the bible, does not mean that the Bible is speaking of the “Roman Catholic Church”. The One True Church is universal (catholic) consisting of sinners who have been adopted into the family of God and united to Christ eternally, regardless of their particular Christian denomination or community.

 

[Reformed]

Of course God gave us the Bible! He worked through the Catholic Church to do this, just as His Word continues to come from the Catholic Church today.

I can agree with your posting as long as you do not add the word “Roman” in front of catholic church

The Apostles’ Creed

The basic creed of Reformed churches, as most familiarly known, is called the Apostles’ Creed. It has received this title because of its great antiquity; it dates from very early times in the Church, a half century or so from the last writings of the New Testament.​

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.

He descended into hell.
The third day He arose again from the dead.

He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.

Amen.

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Articles:
The Apostles’ Creed-- The Oldest Creed: by James Orr
Exposition of The Apostles’ Creed: by James Dodds, D.D.
*The word “catholic” refers not to the Roman Catholic Church, but to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ.

reformed.org/documents/index.html

 

[dawid]

The Holy Scriptures is my proof of my statement. Please join us as fellow Christians in an interdenominational bible study. May God be glorified as we search the Scriptures together as God’s adopted children.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=273731

You have made a statement which you have failed to justify by the only measure that you claim as sacred.

I responded by asking you a question and other than a vague reference to the Bible, you have failed to answer it.

I have already viewed the thread to which you refer, added comments and am rather disappointed at the debate.

 

[Reformed]

You have made a staement which you have failed to justify by the only measure that you claim as sacred.

I responded by asking you a question and other than a vague reference to the Bible, you have failed to answer it.

I have already viewed the thread to which you refer, added comments and am rather disappointed at the debate.

I cannot debate you into receiving spiritual truth. It is only by God the Holy Spirit who opens our minds and heart to receive additional truth through the Scriptures. Apologetics and debates tend to be of the flesh. I think we all need to be humble before God, pray and ask with a pure heart that God will enable us to see the gospel of grace with greater clarity and awe. If we are able to approach the Scriptures with a teachable and humble heart, who knows what God will reveal to us wretched sinners? If you are not willing to read and the study the Scriptures for yourself, then you will be stuck in your current understanding.

 

[MDK]

The books were inspired because God is their author.
To say otherwise puts man in the place of God.
God gave us the Bible. Failure to believe this is limiting God.

Please don’t falsely accuse another by insinuation.

 

[Rightlydivide]

Please don’t falsely accuse another by insinuation.

My statement is not false. It does limit God when others make these statments. They believe in a tiny God who cannot accomplish His will. They make men more powerful than God.
And
I have yet to ever see a single solitary sacred tradition outside of scripture to have been proven to come from Christ. Not one.

 

[dawid]

I cannot debate you into receiving spiritual truth. It is only by God the Holy Spirit who opens our minds and heart to receive additional truth through the Scriptures. Apologetics and debates tend to be of the flesh. I think we all need to be humble before God, pray and ask with a pure heart that God will enable us to see the gospel of grace with greater clarity and awe. If we are able to approach the Scriptures with a teachable and humble heart, who knows what God will reveal to us wretched sinners? If you are not willing to read and the study the Scriptures for yourself, then you will be stuck in your current understanding.

Kindly abstain from making judgements of my humility, mind, heart or my willingness to read and the study the Scriptures for myself!

You made the statement which it appears that you’re unable to substantiate!

 

[cfrancis]

The books were inspired because God is their author.
To say otherwise puts man in the place of God.
God gave us the Bible. Failure to believe this is limiting God.

No one disputes God’s inspiration of Scripture. The issue is, as Scripture does not self-identify, an extra-Scriptural authority is required to determine which writings, from all the contenders, are those inspired by God.

 

[cfrancis]

The church is made up of all sinners who have been united to Christ. It is mutually exclusive from the Roman Catholic denomination. Peter would deny being the first pope, and is a Christian only. The biblical Mary is quite different too.

If Paul is referring to the universal communion of all sinners, how is this universal communion of all sinners being the pillar and foundaiton of truth, when they are splintered across numerous denominations who cannot agree on doctrinal issues:

• is baptism regenerational or symbolic?
• is it “once saved always saved” or can one lose one’s salvation?
• is the Lord’s supper symbolic or consubtantial?
• is it faith alone or faith and works?
• must one speak in tongues to indicate salvation?

 

[Rightlydivide]

No one disputes God’s inspiration of Scripture. The issue is, as Scripture does not self-identify, an extra-Scriptural authority is required to determine which writings, from all the contenders, are those inspired by God.

Man is not capable of being an authority over God’s writings. God is above man.

 

[cfrancis]

Man is not capable of being an authority over God’s writings. God is above man.

No one mentioned being “authority over God’s writings.” You certainly wouldn’t say Peter had authority of God’s healing grace when he healed and raised people from the dead!
Scripture doesn’t self-identify; an extra-Scriptural authority is needed to identify those writings inspired by God.

 

[Rightlydivide]

No one mentioned being “authority over God’s writings.” You certainly wouldn’t say Peter had authority of God’s healing grace when he healed and raised people from the dead!
Scripture doesn’t self-identify; an extra-Scriptural authority is needed to identify those writings inspired by God.

Scripture is God identified. God is the authority. God needs what? God needs an extra scriptural authority? God needs?
I would never pretend to tell God, the creator of everything, what he needs. In his Bible, he never said he needed an extra sctiptural authority. If 2000 years later, you think he needed that, it shows a lack of faith in the power of God.
God gave us his scripture. I believe in a God big enough to do that.

 

[dawid]

Man is not capable of being an authority over God’s writings. God is above man.

Exactly - man is inspired by the holy Spirit!
When the Magisterium deals with these issues, they have that Inspiration!

 

[MDK]

My statement is not false. It does limit God when others make these statments. They believe in a tiny God who cannot accomplish His will. They make men more powerful than God.
And
I have yet to ever see a single solitary sacred tradition outside of scripture to have been proven to come from Christ. Not one.

Your insinuation that Guanophore did not espouse the truth is false.

You have no single solitary bit of evidence that Sacred Tradition is not from God, do you? If you understood the entire revealed truth, and not just what you can misinterpret for yourself, then you’ve got a true picture. Until then, you’ll continue to look through one distorted lens in one direction and claim that you see the entire picture, when in reality, you do not. Come into the clear, where it’s better.

 

[Rightlydivide]

Your insinuation that Guanophore did not espouse the truth is false.

You have no single solitary bit of evidence that Sacred Tradition is not from God, do you? If you understood the entire revealed truth, and not just what you can misinterpret for yourself, then you’ve got a true picture. Until then, you’ll continue to look through one distorted lens in one direction and claim that you see the entire picture, when in reality, you do not. Come into the clear, where it’s better.

You do not have a single example of sacred tradition that comes from Christ outside of scripture. Nada. Not one. We have been down this road before. The crickets chirp each time you guys try.

 

[cfrancis]

Scripture is God identified. God is the authority. God needs what? God needs an extra scriptural authority? God needs?
I would never pretend to tell God, the creator of everything, what he needs. In his Bible, he never said he needed an extra sctiptural authority. If 2000 years later, you think he needed that, it shows a lack of faith in the power of God.
God gave us his scripture. I believe in a God big enough to do that.

I really expected something better than an emotional rant. This surprised me.
I never said “God needs” - I think you know that.
Therefore, your reply reveals someone backed into an intellectual corner.
Your reply also avoids the issue I raised. We agree “God gave us his scripture. [We] believe in a God big enough to do that”

God didn’t need Moses to lead His people; God didn’t need the Ark of the Covenant to defeat Israel’s enemies; God didn’t need Mary to bring His Son to earth; Christ didn’t need mud, spit, water, tassle’s of his shawl, water, etc… to heal and do miracles; God didn’t need Peter and Paul to heal people; God didn’t need anyone to preach His Gospel as He could infuse it into us as He did Paul.
But the fact is, God used all the above to do His will.
And the fact is, God used an extra-Scriptural authority to identify His written Word.