Sola Scriptura is True

[Bill_Pick]

It’s the same things RCC apologetics have said for years.

I have seen nothing valid in the arguments for the RCC position against scripture and I see nothing that would bring about any reason to not believe the plain reading of the text.

1 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV
16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

Look at John 20-22-24 its God breasthed and they still do not believe, in fact read it from john 19 60 24

 

[NotTooSmart]

The canon of scripture is included in Ephesians 2:20 where it clearly says that the Church is built upon the apostles and prophets.

So everything that they gave us is scripture. The text about Laodocia simply tells the corinthians to read the letter FROM laodocia. They were all sharing letters the letter at laodocia could have been the letter to the Galatians for all we know.

So, the canon is all writings of teh prophets and apostles that the church received from them. Yes, it is really that simple.

Then I must be NotTooSmart because I remain unconvinced that a neutral observer could discern the entire canon of Scripture only through Scripture. I must be having difficulty making this leap or something.

But then again, I have several problems making leaps in Scripture where other people seem to make them with ease. For example I have problems making a leap from the text in Luke 1 to “Mary never sinned in her entire lifetime and was conceived without original sin.” It must be me though, since I am NotTooSmart.

Therefore I prefer a definition of Sola Scriptura where this thorny little problem is a non-issue as opposed to trying to reconcile it with what (at least from my perspective) seems a somewhat forced attempt to make it fit.

 

[rinnie]

But you believe that they will?

No see she is talking from both sides of her/his mouth. SHe said point blank that the pope is the anti-christ. That means that the gates of hell have taken over. Now she denys what she said. Its pretty simple if the anti-christ is in the chair of peter the devil won.

SO what do we have here. a big fat lie. ITs as simple as that. THe pope is not the anti-christ and the devil has not taken over the RCC.

 

[Newbie2]

I believe that the Roman Catholic Church as it exists today is an apostate organization that teaches a false gospel. It is filled with deception and the office of the pope is anti-christ. I believe it is an affront for the kingdom of satan who loves nothing better than perverting the gospel of Christ and leading people away from the truth and into bondage to false doctrines based on fear.

However, there are some cathoics that are christians. I believe they should come out of the Roman Church and join the people of God.

Sorry, but this is so laughably boilerplate that I cannot help being amused. I would ask you to further elaborate on the “office of the pope as the anti-christ” vs. “the pope is the anti-Christ”, but that is straight out of the Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod, at least) and their own apologetics person on their website had a difficult time explaining what was meant by that.

It’s becoming tiresome to listen to the all-so predictable wild interpretations and out-of-context scripture that is used to counter Catholic teachings, not the least the claim that just “some” of Catholics are qualified, in some anonymous internet forumite’s opinion to call (our)selves Christians…that is if I even qualify in your magnaminous opinion.

Funny how the Scriptures admonition not to judge gets so quickly thrown under the bus as we Catholics are judged not be worthy of the title of “Christian”. But one can do that, when one is under no ecclesial authority and can pretty much make up any interpretation of Scripture that suits their theology and call it valid.

I don’t mean this to sound harsh, but I have little patience for those who resort to the “Catholics ain’t even Christians” accusation. If you want to continue to discuss theology, please, by all means do so, but it seems to me that you’re theologically educated enough not to have to resort to such tactics.

 

[Bill_Pick]

Go back read what you wrote. You said point blank that the pope is the anti-christ which is the Devil. The pope is still in the seat of Peter at the head of the RCC. SO if what you are saying is true the devil won, and took over the Catholic CHurch.’

Jesus Christ said that would not happen. You claim it did. So I will ask you again are you saying that CHrist lied to us?

iF THIS jOHN mACARTHUR IS RIGHT ABOUT THE TRASH HE IS SAYING THEN OUR LORD LET THE CHURCH GET AWAY WITH IT FRON ALMOST 2000 YEARS–THAT NOT THE GOD I LOVE

 

[Newbie2]

No see she is talking from both sides of her/his mouth. SHe said point blank that the pope is the anti-christ. That means that the gates of hell have taken over. Now she denys what she said. Its pretty simple if the anti-christ is in the chair of peter the devil won.

SO what do we have here. a big fat lie. ITs as simple as that. THe pope is not the anti-christ and the devil has not taken over the RCC.

Actually, the argument is that the office of the Pope is the Anti-Christ, not any individual Pope themselves. That, presumably, is to cover themselves when whichever Pope leaves office. Either way, it’s a weak, last-resort argument when one has run out of thoughtful theological discussion.

 

[rinnie]

thats the most **** I heard in my fife. the man Macarthur is a real nut job,he is as bad as Jack Chick. He has to be the biggest bigot I head in 23 years,God bless your soul,with all the hate I can,t see how he can get to heaven, bless him

I have never heard of him until today. He is more than a nut job he is a ball faced liar.

On the site that they posted here he said point blank that the RCC puts the Blessed Mother ABOVE Jesus Christ.

That is nor was ever the teaching of the RCC. He will pay for that lie. God hates liars. The bible says so. And he point blank lied. He is nothing new. People have been trying to tear down the Catholic Church since it started.

BUt I remember the words of my dear Jesus Christ

You are Peter! The seat of Peter is held by the RCC just as Jesus Christ promised. The Pope has Apostolic succession. All this guy has is lies, and plenty of them. May God help those poor souls he is teaching all of this hate to.

I heard him talking (could only take so much) but in all that time you never heard him once preach the word of God. All the man preached was hate for the CHurch of Jesus CHrist. May God have mercy on his soul.

 

[DD2007]

Then I must be NotTooSmart because I remain unconvinced that a neutral observer could discern the entire canon of Scripture only through Scripture.

The bible simply tells us what is scripture which is clear from Ephesians 2:20

The bible is also not for a neutral observer but for the people of God.

The entire canon of scripture is the writings of the apostles and prophets that were received by the people of God whether Jews or Christians.

 

[raumzeitmc2]

I believe that the Roman Catholic Church as it exists today is an apostate organization that teaches a false gospel.

Erring people always claim the Church, which is Christ, has apostatized. But listen to Augustine as he responds to the same charge in his day:

God is one, and the Church is a unity; only unity can respond to him who is one. But there are some people why say, “Yes, that certainly was the case. The Church spread among all nations did respond to him, bearing more children than did the wedded wife. It responded to him in the way of his strength, for is believed that Christ had risen. All nations believed in him. But that Church which was drawn from all nations no longer exists: it has perished.”

So say people who are not within the Church. What an impudent assertion! The Church does not exist because you are not in it? Be careful lest such an attitude result in your not existing yourself, for the Church will be here even if are not.

But the Spirit of God anticipated this abominable, detestable assertion, this claim full of presumption and falsehood, a claim with nothing to support it, illumined by no spark of wisdom, seasoned by no salt.

God’s Spirit anticipated this empty, unfounded, foolhardy and pernicious proposition and seemingly refuted it in advance by proclaiming that the Church is united by the gathering of the people together into one, and kingdoms to serve the Lord.

Undoubtedly, then, his praise responded to him. Beyond question Jerusalem, our mother, responded to him, she who was waiting to be called back from exile, she who was found to have many children, more than those of the wedded wife. But some people would rise up to deny it, stating that the Church existed once, but exists no longer; and therefore something further was added to the psalm. Make know to me how few are my days, pleads the Church. “What does it mean, that some people have left me and now murmur against me? How can it happen that those reprobates maintain that I have perished? This is their contention: that I existed once, but exist no more.

Tell me, then: Make known to me how few are my days I am not asking you now for the days of eternity; those days will never end, and I shall be there to see them. No, I am not asking for those now. What I ask about is the days of this time-bound world. My days here are numbered, so tell me about them; make know to me the fewness of my days here, not the eternity of the days that await me. Reveal to me how long I shall last in this world, in the face of those who declare, “It existed once, but no longer,’ and those who assert, ‘The scriptures were fulfilled, because all nations did believe, but the Church drawn from all nations apostatized and has been destroyed.”

Exposition of Psalm 101:8:1-3.

St. Augustine, Exposition of Psalm 120:3:2. Works, III/19, ISBN 1565481976, p. 68.

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[rinnie]

Actually, the argument is that the office of the Pope is the Anti-Christ, not any individual Pope themselves. That, presumably, is to cover themselves when whichever Pope leaves office. Either way, it’s a weak, last-resort argument when one has run out of thoughtful theological discussion.

Does not matter. The point is I heard her say point blank that the Pope is the anti-christ. That still means the devil took over the church. They are saying that Jesus lied to us. They not only accuse the RCC of lies they accuse Jesus of them. I see it no other way.

Because the Pope is still in control of the RCC at this moment and has been from the day he sat in the seat.

 

[Bill_Pick]

go back read what you wrote. You said point blank that the pope is the anti-christ which is the devil. The pope is still in the seat of peter at the head of the rcc. So if what you are saying is true the devil won, and took over the catholic church.’

jesus christ said that would not happen. You claim it did. So i will ask you again are you saying that christ lied to us?

this guy on his tape said that the pope is the anti-christ, its right there on his tape,listen to the tape, the guy is a real nut job

 

[Newbie2]

The bible simply tells us what is scripture which is clear from Ephesians 2:20

The bible is also not for a neutral observer but for the people of God.

The entire canon of scripture is the writings of the apostles and prophets that were received by the people of God whether Jews or Christians.

Have you ever heard or read about the Rev. Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church in Topica Kansas? If so, what do you think of their theology? It’s all biblical, BTW.

Just wondering.

 

[rinnie]

this guy on his tape said that the pope is the anti-christ, its right there on his tape,listen to the tape, the guy is a real nut job

Thats exactly what he said. ANd he also said that we put the Blessed Mother ABOVE Jesus Christ. And now these people are repeating his lies, and then turning around and denying what they said. Let me give you a example,

 

[rinnie]

I believe that the Roman Catholic Church as it exists today is an apostate organization that teaches a false gospel. It is filled with deception and the office of the pope is anti-christ. I believe it is an affront for the kingdom of satan who loves nothing better than perverting the gospel of Christ and leading people away from the truth and into bondage to false doctrines based on fear.

However, there are some cathoics that are christians. I believe they should come out of the Roman Church and join the people of God.

I agree with Dr. John Macarthur’s position below:

youtube.com/watch?v=bpWDUt89t2g

Point blank there you go. This person said she agrees with JM position. Did she or did she not?

The office is the Bishops and the Pope. She accused them all of being the devil.

 

[DD2007]

Have you ever heard or read about the Rev. Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church in Topica Kansas? If so, what do you think of their theology? It’s all biblical, BTW.

Just wondering.

I think they are in just as much error as the RCC actually. They are deceived by the deceiver.

 

[adstrinity]

Does not matter. The point is I heard her say point blank that the Pope is the anti-christ. That still means the devil took over the church. They are saying that Jesus lied to us. They not only accuse the RCC of lies they accuse Jesus of them. I see it no other way.

Because the Pope is still in control of the RCC at this moment and has been from the day he sat in the seat.

Alright, so, this person, DD2007, has accused Jesus of lying and has inferred Jesus is a liar.

REAL QUESTION I WANT ANSWERED:

Do we believe/accept* ANYTHING* else this person has said?

Satan also spoke on behalf of God and called Him a liar (Genesis 3) and quoted the Old Testament (Gospels). One must sincerely wonder, if DD2007 has let the devil take over him completely. I see how the devil has strongly influenced him, but, this is a bit much for any one, “Protestant”.

 

[DD2007]

Point blank there you go. This person said she agrees with JM position. Did she or did she not?

The office is the Bishops and the Pope. She accused them all of being the devil.

I’m a he.

 

[DD2007]

Alright, so, this person, DD2007, has accused Jesus of lying and has inferred Jesus is a liar.

That is a lie. I would never do that. I simply said that teh RCC either doesn’t understand what Jesus said or they have intentionally fabricated lies around it.

 

[DD2007]

But you believe that they will?

Of course not. God is in control and is absolutley sovereign.

 

[rinnie]

That is a lie. I would never do that. I simply said that teh RCC either doesn’t understand what Jesus said or they have intentionally fabricated lies around it.

You said the Pope and the office of the pope are the anti-christ. Jesus Christ said that would never happen. Does the Pope or does the pope not still run the RCC. Did you not say he was the anti christ? Yes or No?