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humblelurker
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Your missing the point.
It doesn’t say, “Scripture Alone” equips you.
Where in Scripture alone is “Scripture Alone”?
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It doesn’t say, “Scripture Alone” equips you.
Where in Scripture alone is “Scripture Alone”?
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DD2007
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jokerman
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So the Holy Spirit guides everybody to interpret for themselves the precise meaning of Scripture, this explains why there are over 30,000 different protestant denominations i guess.
so which one of you is right?
the Holy Spirit unifies! what we have in the Catholic Church is unity.
what you have in the non Catholic religions is disunity and even chaos…doesnt sound like the work of the Holy Spirit to me. you have to look at the fruits…the fruit of the Catholic Church is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. the fruit of private interpretation is utter confusion and endless splintering.
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DD2007
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Because scripture equips you for every good work. If there is anything else needed then scripture DOES NOT equip you for every good work.Your missing the point.
It doesn’t say, “Scripture Alone” equips you.
Where in Scripture alone is “Scripture Alone”?
Thus, if the passage is true at all it teaches that the scriptures are sufficient, because every is all encompasing in the field of good works which only come from God, so every Godly work you can be prepared for scripture can equip you unto.
That is how it teaches scripture is sufficient.
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Filioque
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Hmmm, I wonder where you get that, not from the Catholic Church, but I think your anti-catholic sources. The priest who received me into the Catholic Church was a very conservative old man. The two Bible translations he told me to get when I first started to study the Catholic faith with him were both published long before the Second Vatican Council, and included in the inside cover on one and within the first few pages of the title page, a prayer to the Holy Ghost to enlighten the soul of the reader. As well as a letter from Pope Leo XIII encouraging Catholics to read at least 15-30 minutes of Sacred Scripture a day, and even (horror of horrors) granted indulgences to those who prayerfully contemplated the Sacred Scriptures for at least 15 minutes a day.
I am quite sure from what I have read, and the conversations I have had with various Protestants on the web and in person that not one has read through the Scriptures unaided, and allowed only the Holy Ghost to guide them. It would be irresposible to reject, or ignore the 2000 years of authentic commentaries on the Scriptures that great Catholic Bible scholars have commented on, but that is not a requirement to gain the indulgences. So it confuses me that you would contine a canard against the Catholic Church, probably based on the lies told to you about the Church.
I go on a weekly basis to a local Protestant Book store where they separate out used Catholic books from the Protestant books and sell the Catholic stuff cheaper than just about any bookstore I’ve ever seen. I see the different Protestants argue their take on Scripture, and tell each other how “God laid on their heart, this passage means this or that, and not what the other one says it does.” Almost 100% of the time the support is, “That is what my Pastor taught last week.” or they will take the other to a shelf, and say, I read it here in Calvin, Luther, Mc Master, or some other person who they have placed trust in. But you may suprise me and tell me that you’ve never read any commentaries, or protestant books or preachers or formed your doctrinal opinion based on what other Protestants have shared with you about the Scritptures, but only on what the Holy Spirit told you.
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DD2007
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As stated above, sin is the reason there is more than one denomination, not the scriptures or the Holy Spirit.
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Convert66
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DD,
Can you show me where in the Scriptures we are equipped to dig ditches or draw up blueprints?
Or are those not good works?
Can you show me where in the Scriptures we are equipped to dig ditches or draw up blueprints?
Or are those not good works?
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humblelurker
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You have missed the point.
Luke is not a prophet or apostle. He may have been with the apostles, but he was not an apostle. So Luke’s Gosple and Acts are his and not an apostles. Where in Scripture does it say that Luke’s Gosple and Acts were approved by the Apostles? Where “literally” does it say that? I can’t find in scripture a listing of the Canon of Sacred Scripture, so everything you say must be from your tradition.
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twopekinguys
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In all charity, I would suggest that you watch how you phrase things, or your days here could be numbered.
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humblelurker
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It doesn’t say that “Scripture Alone” equips you for every good work and “nothing else will.” That is only what you read into it.
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SyCarl
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I think the problem would not necessarily be with the teaching itself but more with the way the teaching is treated in the sense of defining so many more things that must be believed. I think that they would feel that the tent of Christianity has become too restricted by the Catholic Church. I think they would feel the same way about Protestants who say theirs is the only possible view. They were much more willing to view things as mysteries that we didn’t need to know. This is just my opinion from my reading of them.
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Upbeat_Dad
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Sola scriptura…the Bible alone…hmm…
But which Bible? Which sources for the Old Testament - the Septuagint, or the later Jamnian text? Which sources for, say, the book of Daniel - the Masoratic text, which omits certain passages, or the first-century scrolls found in cave #4 at Qumran, which contains those passages?
Which translation? NIV, KJV, NKJV, NAB, NASB, NEV, ETC, ETC, ETC…? And that’s just a few of the English translations. What about French, German, Spanish, or Swahili?
Interpretation. Whose? Yours, mine? If the Bible is self-interpreting, why are there so many different interpretations? Sola scriptura…the Bible alone…self-interpreting…one interpretation…seems clear enough, and yet that’s not the case. Can any book interpret itself? Doesn’t it require a reader? Sola scriptura…if the Bible alone is sufficient, why aren’t we all on the same page, as it were?
The New Testament wasn’t canonized until nearly 300 years after Christ’s death and resurrection. That’s an awfully long time to be without a complete Bible, don’t you think? If the Bible alone is the sole authority, then anything other than the Bible (like oral tradition) is suspect, right? But the Bible is the product of oral tradition. Jesus never wrote anything, he spoke, and those heard him told others, who, in turn, told others, until someone finally decided to write things down.
I believe in the Bible’s authority, but if the Bible is the ONLY authority on God’s word, the even God himself isn’t an authority on his own word.
Sola scriptura…the Bible alone…Sorry Lord, I guess the buck doesn’t stop with you after all. DD2007 and John Calvin say so.
But which Bible? Which sources for the Old Testament - the Septuagint, or the later Jamnian text? Which sources for, say, the book of Daniel - the Masoratic text, which omits certain passages, or the first-century scrolls found in cave #4 at Qumran, which contains those passages?
Which translation? NIV, KJV, NKJV, NAB, NASB, NEV, ETC, ETC, ETC…? And that’s just a few of the English translations. What about French, German, Spanish, or Swahili?
Interpretation. Whose? Yours, mine? If the Bible is self-interpreting, why are there so many different interpretations? Sola scriptura…the Bible alone…self-interpreting…one interpretation…seems clear enough, and yet that’s not the case. Can any book interpret itself? Doesn’t it require a reader? Sola scriptura…if the Bible alone is sufficient, why aren’t we all on the same page, as it were?
The New Testament wasn’t canonized until nearly 300 years after Christ’s death and resurrection. That’s an awfully long time to be without a complete Bible, don’t you think? If the Bible alone is the sole authority, then anything other than the Bible (like oral tradition) is suspect, right? But the Bible is the product of oral tradition. Jesus never wrote anything, he spoke, and those heard him told others, who, in turn, told others, until someone finally decided to write things down.
I believe in the Bible’s authority, but if the Bible is the ONLY authority on God’s word, the even God himself isn’t an authority on his own word.
Sola scriptura…the Bible alone…Sorry Lord, I guess the buck doesn’t stop with you after all. DD2007 and John Calvin say so.
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twopekinguys
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Excellent point.
The ESV Bible that DD2007 is fond of quoting from was first published in 2001.
Here are some portions of quotes from their website “The ESV is an “**essentially **literal” translation”, ““as literal as possible””, “But the ESV Bible also **builds **on the best Christian scholarship of the last 100 years. The result is a **fresh **and compelling Bible translation”
The site shows who did the translating/review, and where they received their degrees,
but not what those degrees are in. We have no way of knowing what their knowledge in ancient languages really is.
All of this information can be found at esv.org
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SyCarl
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Sola Scriptura is not the sole cause of division. There were a number of divisions before the Reformation and they have persisted. There is the Catholic Church, the Assyrian Church of the East, the Oriental Christian churches and the Orthodox. Each of these has recognized Apostolic succession and they follow Tradition. However they still do not agree.
With Protestants, the problem is not Sola Scriptura but Solo Scriptura. Sola Scriptura recognizes a role for tradition but it is not the equal of Scripture. If you look at the Protestant schools that follow Sola Scriptura you will find that there are probably no more than 10 major groupings with relatively minor differences within each grouping. While any division is undesirable the main divisions come from those who follow solo scriptura where tradition and history have virtually no place or those who feel the only independent local churches are Biblical.
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Filioque
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All objectivly true, however as this is a Catholic Board, the assumption is that Peter, and his succssors, and all Bishops and Faithful in union with him, are given the promise that they will have the Holy Ghost to guide them, and that the Gates of Hell will not prevail against them. There is also the promise that Jesus will not abandon His Church. Now I knonw that various Protestant groups have developed the idea of an invisible Church which consists of people within all denominations, who somehow end up being real beleivers despite the errors of their sect, or the next person over in the pew. But I just don’t find evidence of that in the Scriptures. Assyrians, Orthodox who deny the need for unity with the Chair of Peter, based on the Catholic model, are not included in the promise. Assyrian and Eastern Catholics who teach and rule in union with the Pope, are included. That however does not mean that God will abandon or despise those who through no fault of their own have rejected the fullness of the truth, by being persuaded by good speakers, or writers who teach error, or have been raised to reject what Jesus did in founding the Catholic Church. He will work with them, and how, ony He knows. But I seriously doubt He says, “Oh well, its ok that they don’t really follow what I set up for them, so there beliefs need to be considered equal to the truth.” But rather, by His mercy, and the Graces that “overflow” from His Church, many who are imperfectly united to the Church through baptism, (water, blood or desire) are saved despite their errors.
I do find that Jesus founded a Church that was visible, and had Apostles, (Bishops in modern day who succeeded them) Presbyters, (Priests in our modern terms.) and Deacons, who the Apostles insittuted to assist them, by the Authority given them by Jesus. As I see nowhere that Jesus instituted the office of Deacon, I would have to assume, either the Authority of the Church, to delegate that power, or office was given to the Church by Jesus, or we should all reject the office, as an invention of Man.
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Convert66
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SyCarl,
I think we found a point of agreement. I’ve often wondered myself why it is Dogma that Mary was assumed into heaven. I mean, I certainly see the precedent in Scripture (does that make me, at least, tangentially a Sola Sciptura-ist?) but why must one have to believe it or be in some sort of rebellion (I personally do believe it)? I can certainly see in this example why Protestants would sit back and scratch their heads.
Also in the office of the Pope. I can see both sides. On the one, it is certainly easy enough to see that any Church needs a “senior pastor.” On the other, it seems pretty clear to me that the Magisterium hammers out the teaching offices with (name removed by moderator)ut from the Papal office, but even encyclicals are mitigated through various offices within the Holy See. Within the Vatican itself it appears that the Papacy is looked upon as “first amongst equals”, so I wonder why sometimes there can’t be more give when it comes to the Eastern position. Oh well. Maybe some other thread and at some other time.
All my best . . .
I think we found a point of agreement. I’ve often wondered myself why it is Dogma that Mary was assumed into heaven. I mean, I certainly see the precedent in Scripture (does that make me, at least, tangentially a Sola Sciptura-ist?) but why must one have to believe it or be in some sort of rebellion (I personally do believe it)? I can certainly see in this example why Protestants would sit back and scratch their heads.
Also in the office of the Pope. I can see both sides. On the one, it is certainly easy enough to see that any Church needs a “senior pastor.” On the other, it seems pretty clear to me that the Magisterium hammers out the teaching offices with (name removed by moderator)ut from the Papal office, but even encyclicals are mitigated through various offices within the Holy See. Within the Vatican itself it appears that the Papacy is looked upon as “first amongst equals”, so I wonder why sometimes there can’t be more give when it comes to the Eastern position. Oh well. Maybe some other thread and at some other time.
All my best . . .
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jlhargus
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JL Post 2Tm 3:14 But you must CONTINUE IN THE THINGS which YOU have LEARNED and been assured of, KNOWING FROM WHOM YOU have LEARNED THEM, 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 ALL SCRIPTURE IS given BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and IS PROFITABLE for DOCTRINE, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION in righteousness, 17 THAT THE MAN OF GOD may BE COMPLETE, thoroughly EQUIPPED FOR EVERY GOOD WORK.
What did Paul first tell Timothy to condinue in? [2Tm 3:14 But you must CONTINUE IN THE THINGS which YOU have LEARNED and been assured of, KNOWING FROM WHOM YOU have LEARNED THEM,] The things he had LEARNED, from Paul, the gospel of our Lord in Oral Tradition. The scriptures are materially sufficient, but must be interpreted in light of Sacred Tradition. Christ’s teachings to the apostles were all Oral Tradition and Traditioned by Christ to his apostles. Christ wrote nothing and the apostles wrote to already established churches who had received, and was already living that Oral Word of God.
2Thes2:14 Whereunto he called you by OUR GOSPEL, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, BREATHREN, STAND FAST, and HOLD THE TRADITIONS which ye have been TAUGHT, WHETHER BY WORD OR our EPISTLE.
2Tim2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2 And THE THINGS that THOU HAST HEARD OF ME among many witnesses, THE SAME COMMIT thou TO FAITHFUL MEN, who shall be ABLE TO TEACH OTHERS also. [Timothy is to pass on those oral Traditions commited to him to faithful men able to teach or pass on to others. Were in scripture does it say all oral Tradition is now contained in scripture?
2Tim1:13 HOLD FAST the form of SOUND WORDS, which thou hast HEARD OF ME, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 14 THAT GOOD THING which was COMMITTED unto thee **KEEP BY THE HOLY GHOST which dwelleth IN US. [The same Holy Spirit that preserved the written Tradition from error also keeps the Oral Tradition from errror, thru the successors of the apostles the bishops by giving the gift of the Holy Spirit by laying on of hands from age to age till the end of the age. [2 TIM 1:6 …stir up the GIFT OF GOD IN YOU BY THE PUTTING ON OF MY HANDS 7 GOD HAS GIVEN US the SPIRIT OF POWER. ] CONTINUED
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jlhargus
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CONTINUED:
JL: Where does 2Tm 3:14-17 say scripture only? It doesn’t. 2Tm3:16 ALL SCRIPTURE IS given BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and IS PROFITABLE for DOCTRINE, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION in righteousness, 17 THAT THE MAN OF GOD may BE COMPLETE, thoroughly EQUIPPED FOR EVERY GOOD WORK.]
All SCRIPTURE IS PROFITABLE FOR: DOCTRINE who decides doctrine? The Church. REPROOF who repoves? the Church. CORRECTION who corrects? the Church. INSTRUCTION who instructs? the Church. why,? that the man of God may be COMPLETE and EQUIPPED FOR what? EVERY GOOD WORK.]
Paul continued and tells us in, [2Tm4:1 I CHARGE THEE therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 PREACH THE WORD; be instant in season, out of season; REPROVE, REBUKE, EXHORT WITH all long suffering and DOCTRINE. 3 For THE TIME WILL COME when THEY WILL NOT ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE; BUT after their own lusts shall they HEAP TO THEMSELVES TEACHERS, having itching ears;] [Titus2:15 THESE, then, are the THINGS YOU SHOULD TEACH. ENCOURAGE and REBUKE WITH ALL AUTHORITY. Do not let anyone despise you.] Only those ordained and sent by laying on of hands in an unbroken line can reprove, exhort, encourage, teach doctrine and rebuke with all authority.
Sola Scripture, which can only scatter is that HEAPING of teachers, everyone following after whomever teaches what they want to hear and believe. Sola scriptura Satan’s greatest victory. Men trying to build a tower to heaven apart from that Church Christ is building. Confusing the ONE faith language all once spoke into thousands. Scattering people in every direction into myriads of groups no longer understanding one another, even though they use the very same scriptures and claim to be lead by the same Holy Spirit. Ask yourself, How many groups has sola scriptura united? None that I am aware of. How many has it divided? Thousands and sill doing so.
Yes all scripture is by inspiration of God but not all interpretations are of God, 2Pt3:16 As also in all HIS EPISTLES, speaking in them of these things; in which are SOME THINGS HARD TO BE UNDERSTOOD, which THEY THAT ARE UNLEARNED AND USTABE WREST, as they do also the other scriptures, UNTO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION. Sola scriptura folks fail to follow the scriptures that tell them who TEACHES. The Church is a visible collective body and not just any body but the body of Christ and with the authority of Christ 1TM 3:15… the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the PILLAR AND GROUND OF TRUTH. MT 18:17 but IF HE NEGLECT TO HEAR THE CHURCH, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
We even know what those who heard and believed the truth did and how important it was to have the correct DOCTRINE. [Acts2:41 Then THEY THAT gladly RECEIVED HIS WORD were BAPTIZED: and the same day there WERE ADDED UNTO THEM about three thousand souls. 42 And THEY CONTINUED steadfastly IN the APOSTLES’ DOCTRINE and FELLOWSHIP, and in BREAKING OF BREAD, and in PRAYERS. [Those that received his word were baptized. They were brought into the Church by baptism and CONTINUED steadfastly in the ONE Holy Catholic Apostolic Fellowship.] 1Cor 1:9 God is faithful you were called into THE FELLOWSHIP OF his Son JESUS CHRIST 10 I appeal to you BREATHREN by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that all of you AGREE that there be no dissensions among you that you BE UNITED in the same mind and THE SAME JUDGMENT. 1Jn 4:6 We are of God Whoever knows God LISTENS TO US and he who is not of God DOES NOT LISTEN TO US BY THIS WE KNOW the spirit of TRUTH and the spirit of ERROR] Belonging to that ONE FELLOWSHIP is how we know with assurance TRUTH from ERROR.
Scripture indicates, to be a valid minister one must be SENT, [Rm 10:14 …how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 how shall they preach EXCEPT THEY BE SENT? [Can an invisiable church SEND anyone?] Lk 6:12 And it came to pass in those days, that HE went out into a mountain to pray, and CONTINUED ALL NIGHT IN PRAYER to God. 13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and OF THEM HE CHOSE TWELVE, whom also he NAMED APOSTLES; JN 17:18 As you have SENT me into the world I also SENT them into the world 19 And for their sake I consecrate myself, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE CONSECRATED IN TRUTH.
[Mt 28:16 THE ELEVEN disciples 18 JESUS SPOKE TO THEM, ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO ME in heaven and in earth 19 GO TEACH ALL NATIONS BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit 20 TEACHING to observe ALL things whatever I have COMMANDED you I AM WITH YOU always even TO THE END.] That ONE FELLOWSHIP is to TEACH the whole world TILL THE END OF THE AGE
Even Paul checked his teaching with that one fellowship, to be sure he was not teaching another doctrine or gospel. [Gal2:1 Then fourteen years after I WENT UP AGAIN TO JERUSALEM with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also. 2 And I went up BY REVELATION, and COMMUNICATED UNTO THEM that GOSPEL which I PREACH among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, LEST BY ANY MEANS I SHOULD run, or HAD RUN, IN VAIN.]
JL: Where does 2Tm 3:14-17 say scripture only? It doesn’t. 2Tm3:16 ALL SCRIPTURE IS given BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and IS PROFITABLE for DOCTRINE, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION in righteousness, 17 THAT THE MAN OF GOD may BE COMPLETE, thoroughly EQUIPPED FOR EVERY GOOD WORK.]
All SCRIPTURE IS PROFITABLE FOR: DOCTRINE who decides doctrine? The Church. REPROOF who repoves? the Church. CORRECTION who corrects? the Church. INSTRUCTION who instructs? the Church. why,? that the man of God may be COMPLETE and EQUIPPED FOR what? EVERY GOOD WORK.]
Paul continued and tells us in, [2Tm4:1 I CHARGE THEE therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 PREACH THE WORD; be instant in season, out of season; REPROVE, REBUKE, EXHORT WITH all long suffering and DOCTRINE. 3 For THE TIME WILL COME when THEY WILL NOT ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE; BUT after their own lusts shall they HEAP TO THEMSELVES TEACHERS, having itching ears;] [Titus2:15 THESE, then, are the THINGS YOU SHOULD TEACH. ENCOURAGE and REBUKE WITH ALL AUTHORITY. Do not let anyone despise you.] Only those ordained and sent by laying on of hands in an unbroken line can reprove, exhort, encourage, teach doctrine and rebuke with all authority.
Sola Scripture, which can only scatter is that HEAPING of teachers, everyone following after whomever teaches what they want to hear and believe. Sola scriptura Satan’s greatest victory. Men trying to build a tower to heaven apart from that Church Christ is building. Confusing the ONE faith language all once spoke into thousands. Scattering people in every direction into myriads of groups no longer understanding one another, even though they use the very same scriptures and claim to be lead by the same Holy Spirit. Ask yourself, How many groups has sola scriptura united? None that I am aware of. How many has it divided? Thousands and sill doing so.
Yes all scripture is by inspiration of God but not all interpretations are of God, 2Pt3:16 As also in all HIS EPISTLES, speaking in them of these things; in which are SOME THINGS HARD TO BE UNDERSTOOD, which THEY THAT ARE UNLEARNED AND USTABE WREST, as they do also the other scriptures, UNTO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION. Sola scriptura folks fail to follow the scriptures that tell them who TEACHES. The Church is a visible collective body and not just any body but the body of Christ and with the authority of Christ 1TM 3:15… the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the PILLAR AND GROUND OF TRUTH. MT 18:17 but IF HE NEGLECT TO HEAR THE CHURCH, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
We even know what those who heard and believed the truth did and how important it was to have the correct DOCTRINE. [Acts2:41 Then THEY THAT gladly RECEIVED HIS WORD were BAPTIZED: and the same day there WERE ADDED UNTO THEM about three thousand souls. 42 And THEY CONTINUED steadfastly IN the APOSTLES’ DOCTRINE and FELLOWSHIP, and in BREAKING OF BREAD, and in PRAYERS. [Those that received his word were baptized. They were brought into the Church by baptism and CONTINUED steadfastly in the ONE Holy Catholic Apostolic Fellowship.] 1Cor 1:9 God is faithful you were called into THE FELLOWSHIP OF his Son JESUS CHRIST 10 I appeal to you BREATHREN by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that all of you AGREE that there be no dissensions among you that you BE UNITED in the same mind and THE SAME JUDGMENT. 1Jn 4:6 We are of God Whoever knows God LISTENS TO US and he who is not of God DOES NOT LISTEN TO US BY THIS WE KNOW the spirit of TRUTH and the spirit of ERROR] Belonging to that ONE FELLOWSHIP is how we know with assurance TRUTH from ERROR.
Scripture indicates, to be a valid minister one must be SENT, [Rm 10:14 …how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 how shall they preach EXCEPT THEY BE SENT? [Can an invisiable church SEND anyone?] Lk 6:12 And it came to pass in those days, that HE went out into a mountain to pray, and CONTINUED ALL NIGHT IN PRAYER to God. 13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and OF THEM HE CHOSE TWELVE, whom also he NAMED APOSTLES; JN 17:18 As you have SENT me into the world I also SENT them into the world 19 And for their sake I consecrate myself, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE CONSECRATED IN TRUTH.
[Mt 28:16 THE ELEVEN disciples 18 JESUS SPOKE TO THEM, ALL POWER IS GIVEN TO ME in heaven and in earth 19 GO TEACH ALL NATIONS BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit 20 TEACHING to observe ALL things whatever I have COMMANDED you I AM WITH YOU always even TO THE END.] That ONE FELLOWSHIP is to TEACH the whole world TILL THE END OF THE AGE
Even Paul checked his teaching with that one fellowship, to be sure he was not teaching another doctrine or gospel. [Gal2:1 Then fourteen years after I WENT UP AGAIN TO JERUSALEM with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also. 2 And I went up BY REVELATION, and COMMUNICATED UNTO THEM that GOSPEL which I PREACH among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, LEST BY ANY MEANS I SHOULD run, or HAD RUN, IN VAIN.]
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MrS
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Yeah…
The monks, and others in religious orders were all Catholic, and living in monasteries in poverty and humility … and oh so power hungry:blush:
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MrS
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Kind of like when I was in service… and they equipped me.
How come I did not win the war all by myself?
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