Sola Scriptura is True

[dj_dave]

It seems your founding brothers KNEW Christ was the Mighty God. Were they in ‘THE TRUTH’? or are you not now in ‘THE TRUTH’?

Alpha and Omega: At Revelation 1:8, its owner is said to be God, the Almighty. In verse 11 according to KJ, that title is applied to one whose description thereafter shows him to be Jesus Christ. But scholars recognize the reference to Alpha and Omega in verse 11 to be spurious, and so it does not appear in RS, NE, JB, NAB, Dy. (2) Many translations of Revelation into Hebrew recognize that the one described in verse 8 is Jehovah, and so they restore the personal name of God there. See NW, 1984 Reference edition.

(3) Revelation 21:6, 7 indicates that Christians who are spiritual conquerors are to be ‘sons’ of the one known as the Alpha and the Omega. That is never said of the relationship of spirit-anointed Christians to Jesus Christ. Jesus spoke of them as his ‘brothers.’ (Heb. 2:11; Matt. 12:50; 25:40) But those ‘brothers’ of Jesus are referred to as “sons of God.” (Gal. 3:26; 4:6) (4) At Revelation 22:12, TEV inserts the name Jesus, so the reference to Alpha and Omega in verse 13 is made to appear to apply to him. But the name Jesus does not appear there in Greek, and other translations do not include it.

At Revelation 22:13, the Alpha and Omega is also said to be “the first and the last,” which expression is applied to Jesus at Revelation 1:17, 18. Jesus is talking about his bestowed title, calling attention to his unique resurrection.
Notice how each time Jesus says first and the last it he immediately mentions his resurrection.

Jesus was indeed “the First” human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life. (Colossians 1:18) Moreover, he is “the Last” to be so resurrected by Jehovah personally. Thus, he becomes “the living one . . . living forever and ever.” He enjoys immortality. In this, he is like his immortal Father, who is called “the living God.” (Revelation 7:2; Psalm 42:2) For all others of humanity, Jesus himself is “the resurrection and the life.” (John 11:25) In harmony with this, *he says to John: “I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.” *(Revelation 1:18b) Jehovah has given him the authority to resurrect the dead. That is why Jesus can say that he has the keys to unlock the gates for those bound by death and Hades (gravedom).—Compare Matthew 16:18.

 

[Bill_Pick]

Most people who are familiar with the history of this organization realize that since the first Watchtower in 1879, it has had a history of proclaiming the end of the world on several dates: 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, 1940’s, 1975. But, does this mean that the Watch Tower Society is a false prophet? yes

 

[rinnie]

Look how far we have come, and as usual there is not one teaching of the Church written or oral that says that ss is true. And again this statement has proved itself as usual to be false.

When the bible can interpret itself and become a teacher of not only scripture and Tradition which is IMPOSSIBLE then you will have a case.

But isn’t it ironic that scripture in the bible is our biggest defender against this claim.

For the bible claims not all is written. Now common sense here for a moment, if the world could not contain all of the books, how could the bible be the sole teacher.

Sometimes COMMON SENSE beats all kind of other sense. So if the world could not contain all of the books would that not be enough to tell you it AINT ALL IN A BOOK!

But the way ain’t is a word. Its in the dictionary

 

[dj_dave]

Most people who are familiar with the history of this organization realize that since the first Watchtower in 1879, it has had a history of proclaiming the end of the world on several dates: 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, 1940’s, 1975. But, does this mean that the Watch Tower Society is a false prophet? yes

FRST OF ALL AS I HAVE DONE ON OTHER POSTS THIS MORNING
I want to apologize for being mean and crule.

(Ephesians 4:29-32) .Let a rotten saying not proceed out of YOUR mouth, but whatever saying is good for building up as the need may be, that it may impart what is favorable to the hearers…31 Let all malicious bitterness and anger and wrath and screaming and abusive speech be taken away from YOU along with all badness. 32 But become kind to one another, tenderly compassionate, freely forgiving one another just as God also by Christ freely forgave YOU.

I was a Catholic for 30 yerars and have a history of when I was young…nuf said
I will be nice from now on.

as for your comment… I too wondered about that so I looked into it. What was acutally said? Did they ever claim to be an inspired prohpet? Did they give warnings not to be over confident of certain dates? Did some ignore the warnings?

Please open-mindedly consider: users.picknowl.com.au/~hepburn/prophecy.htm

 

[Bill_Pick]

Dj DAVE, This is so much hog wash I will not even say a word . But I will pray for you,

 

[jlhargus]

QUOTE: JL: It seems your founding brothers KNEW Christ was the Mighty God. Were they in ‘THE TRUTH’? or are you not now in ‘THE TRUTH’? END QUOTE

We have always recognized Christ as “mighty God” (Isa 9:6)

"*** ip-1 chap. 10 pp. 130-131 The Promise of a Prince of Peace ***
“Mighty God” and “Eternal Father”
25 Jesus is also “Mighty God” and “Eternal Father.” This does not mean that he usurps the authority and position of Jehovah, who is “God our Father.” (2 Corinthians 1:2) “He [Jesus] . . . gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” (Philippians 2:6) He is called Mighty God, not Almighty God. Jesus never thought of himself as God Almighty, for he spoke of his Father as “the only true God,” that is, the only God who should be worshiped. (John 17:3; Revelation 4:11) In the Scriptures, the word “god” can mean “mighty one” or “strong one.” (Exodus 12:12; Psalm 8:5; 2 Corinthians 4:4) Before Jesus came to earth, he was “a god,” “existing in God’s form.” After his resurrection, he returned to an even higher position in the heavens. (John 1:1; Philippians 2:6-11) Further, the designation “god” carries an additional implication. Judges in Israel were called “gods”—once by Jesus himself. (Psalm 82:6; John 10:35) Jesus is Jehovah’s appointed Judge, “destined to judge the living and the dead.” (2 Timothy 4:1; John 5:30) Clearly, he is well named Mighty God.

JL: Did you know all your JW brothers also worshiped that Might God till the 1950’s? When there was new light, which is not supposed to contradict old light. [New light never contradicts old light, but adds to it. WT 2/1881, p. 188]

Were they 'IN THE TRUTH or are you IN THE TRUTH” now? Both can’t be “IN THE TRUTH”, can they? How is that not a major, major contradiction? Tell me if Jesus returned secretly in 1874 original date then changed to1914 and was guiding the WT, why could he never get anything right? Why did he allow them worship him if he was an arch angel and call him a Mighty God? Arch Angels are not gods or a god any type.

“Let all the angels of God worship him’ [that must include Michael, the chief angel, hence Michael is not the Son of God].” WT 11/1879, p. 48

All creatures in heaven and earth shall worship Jesus as he worships the Father. WT 8/15/1941, p. 252

You must worship and bow down to Jehovah’s chief one, namely Jesus Christ. WT 10/15/1945, p. 313

“… it is unscriptural for worshipers of the living and true God to render worship to the Son of God, Jesus Christ.” WT 11/1/1964, p. 671

“Jesus Christ further deserves honor because he is Jehovah’s chief angel, or archangel.” The Watchtower, Feb. 1, 1991

“God did not send some angel to rescue mankind. He made the supreme sacrifice of sending his only-begotten Son…” The Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1991

Revelation 22:12 is referring to Jehovah. A 8/22/1978, p. 15

[Revelation 22:7, 12, 20 is referring to Jesus. WT 10/1/1978, p.15

Christians cannot be wishy-washy, going back to the same teachings they had rejected earlier. WT 5/15/1976, p. 298

[All WT quotes taken from the book, Index of Watch Tower Errors, David A Reed, editor compiled by Steve Huntoon & John Cornell, Baker Book House Grand Rapids, Michigan 49516 ]

In the Scriptures, the word “god” can mean “mighty one” or “strong one.” (Exodus 12:12; Psalm 8:5; 2 Corinthians 4:4) Before Jesus came to earth, he was “a god,” “existing in God’s form.” After his resurrection, he returned to an even higher position in the heavens. (John 1:1; Philippians 2:6-11) Further, the designation “god” carries an additional implication. Judges in Israel were called “gods”—once by Jesus himself. (Psalm 82:6; John 10:35) Jesus is Jehovah’s appointed Judge, “destined to judge the living and the dead.” (2 Timothy 4:1; John 5:30) Clearly, he is well named Mighty God.

JL: Proplem with your WT traditions of men, scripture no where calls Christ “a god”. Where does scripture tell us, Before Jesus came to earth, he was “a god,” “existing in God’s form? Please point that out to me. Jn1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, and THE WORD WAS GOD.

 

[jlhargus]

First–did you notice in your own quote Jesus has a God?

JL: Yes I did, Jesus is BOTH man AND God, so just as all men have God, as their Father and God, so does Christ. Even as the only eternally begotten Son from all eternity, his Father is God. [Rv1:6 To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve HIS GOD AND FATHER—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.]

REV 1:1-4 shows that there are 4 personages talking in The Revelation. Did you read my post?

AGAIN…John to the seven congregations that are in the [district of] Asia: May YOU have undeserved kindness and peace from “The One who is and who was and who is coming,” and from the seven spirits that are before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,”

The Almighty is Coming Rev !:8…

This is the first of three times in Revelation that Jehovah himself speaks from heaven. (See also Revelation 21:5-8; 22:12-15.)

Who was pierced?

No doubt John was here reminded of Jesus’ earlier prophecy concerning the conclusion of the system of things. Jesus there stated: “Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” (Matthew 24:3,*30) Thus, Jesus ‘comes’ **by turning his attention to the executing of Jehovah’s judgments on the nations. **This will result in momentous changes on earth, and since “all the tribes of the earth” have ignored the reality of Jesus’ kingship, they will indeed experience “the anger of the wrath of God the Almighty.”—Revelation 19:11-21; Psalm 2:2, 3, 8, 9.

JL: No doubt John??? Got any scripture evidence other than WT tradition of men, show me don’t tell me WT nonsense.

During Jesus’ last evening with his disciples, he told them: “A little longer and the world will behold me no more.” (John 14:19) How is it, then, that “every eye will see him”? We should not expect that Jesus’ enemies would see him with physical eyes, for the apostle Paul said, after Jesus’ ascension to heaven, that Jesus now “dwells in unapproachable light,” and “not one of men has seen or can see” him. (1Timothy 6:16) Evidently, John meant “see” in the sense of “discern,” just as we can see, or discern, God’s invisible qualities by means of his creations. (Romans 1:20) Jesus “is coming with the clouds” in that he will be just as invisible to the naked eye as the sun is when it is behind clouds. Even when the sun is hidden by clouds during daytime, we know it is there because of the daylight that surrounds us. Similarly, though the Lord Jesus is invisible, he will be revealed like ‘a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance upon those who do not obey the good news about him.’ These too will be compelled to “see him.”—2Thessalonians 1:6-8; 2:8.

Jesus will be ‘seen’ also by “those who pierced him.” Who might these be? When Jesus was executed in 33 C.E., the Roman soldiers pierced him literally. The guilt of that murder was shared by the Jews, for Peter told some of these at Pentecost: “God made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you impaled.” (Acts 2:5-11, 36; compare Zechariah 12:10; John 19:37.) Those Romans and Jews have now been dead for close to 2,000 years. So those who ‘pierce him’ today must represent nations and peoples that display the same hateful attitude that was shown when Jesus was impaled. Jesus is no longer here on earth. But when opposers either actively persecute Jehovah’s Witnesses, who bear witness to Jesus, or passively consent to such treatment, it is just as though such opposers were ‘piercing’ Jesus himself.—Matthew 25:33, 41-46.

JL: [Rv 1:7 Look, he is coming with the clouds, and EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, EVEN those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.] That would be those who pierced him on the cross, two thousand years ago. Nice fable you posted for the most part, no evidence though.

 

[jlhargus]

Alpha and Omega: At Revelation 1:8, its owner is said to be God, the Almighty. In verse 11 according to KJ, that title is applied to one whose description thereafter shows him to be Jesus Christ. But scholars recognize the reference to Alpha and Omega in verse 11 to be spurious, and so it does not appear in RS, NE, JB, NAB, Dy. (2) Many translations of Revelation into Hebrew recognize that the one described in verse 8 is Jehovah, and so they restore the personal name of God there. See NW, 1984 Reference edition.

JL: Yes Rv1:8’s owner is God Almighty. WHO IS TO COME. I notice you didn’t answer who is to come. So WHO IS TO COME? Answer JESUS CHRIST our MIGHTY LORD AND GOD ALMIGHTY. You can delete your CANNED WT remarks on Rv1:11, what is the point posting that? What does it have to do with the price of rice in China anyway? Answer, nothing, but a smoke screen diversion.

(3) Revelation 21:6, 7 indicates that Christians who are spiritual conquerors are to be ‘sons’ of the one known as the Alpha and the Omega. That is never said of the relationship of spirit-anointed Christians to Jesus Christ. Jesus spoke of them as his ‘brothers.’ (Heb. 2:11; Matt. 12:50; 25:40) But those ‘brothers’ of Jesus are referred to as “sons of God.” (Gal. 3:26; 4:6) (4) At Revelation 22:12, TEV inserts the name Jesus, so the reference to Alpha and Omega in verse 13 is made to appear to apply to him. But the name Jesus does not appear there in Greek, and other translations do not include it.

JL: Well scripture doesn’t refer to God the Father as the one to come either does it? We are sons of Almighty God and brothers of the man Jesus Christ who is both man and Almighty God, the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last. You have admitted Jesus is Mighty God, so you either have TWO separate gods (polytheism) or ONE Mighty GOD who is ALMIGHTY. I don’t know what you mean by TEV, nor does it matter, it is irrelevant.

At Revelation 22:13, the Alpha and Omega is also said to be “the first and the last,” which expression is applied to Jesus at Revelation 1:17, 18. Jesus is talking about his bestowed title, calling attention to his unique resurrection. Notice how each time Jesus says first and the last it he immediately mentions his resurrection.

JL: [Rv22:12 “Behold, I AM COMING SOON! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13 I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA, the FIRST AND THE LAST, the Beginning and the End. 14…15… Rv22:16 " I JESUS, have sent my angel to GIVE YOU THIS TESTIMONY for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” …17…18…19… 20 HE WHO TESTIFIES to these things SAYS, “Yes, I AM COMING SOON.” Amen. COME, LORD JESUS.]

So who is COMING SOON? Who is the FIRST AND LAST, Alpha and the Omega? Answer, Jesus my Lord and Almighty God .

which expression is applied to Jesus at Revelation 1:17, 18. Jesus is talking about his bestowed title, calling attention to his unique resurrection. Notice how each time Jesus says first and the last it he immediately mentions his resurrection.

JL: Rv1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST. 18 I am THE LIVING ONE; I WAS DEAD, and behold I AM ALIVE for ever and ever! And I HOLD THE KEYS OF DEATH AND HADES.

I’m not interested in the traditions and smoke screens of the WT show me in Rv 22:13 and Rv1:17, 18, where Jesus is talking about his bestowed title. I think the smoke screen is there to blind you. Do you ever look up and read their canned scripture remarks? Of course you don’t, are you even allowed? Fact is The First and the Last is only used for God, and you admit it is applied to Jesus who is my Lord and my God, the Word who was with God and the Word was God, AND BECAME FLESH. There is only ONE GOD, not TWO.

Jesus was indeed “the First” human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life. (Colossians 1:18) Moreover, he is “the Last” to be so resurrected by Jehovah personally. Thus, he becomes “the living one . . . living forever and ever.” He enjoys immortality. In this, he is like his immortal Father, who is called “the living God.” (Revelation 7:2; Psalm 42:2) For all others of humanity, Jesus himself is “the resurrection and the life.” (John 11:25) In harmony with this, *he says to John: “I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.” *(Revelation 1:18b) Jehovah has given him the authority to resurrect the dead. That is why Jesus can say that he has the keys to unlock the gates for those bound by death and Hades (gravedom).—Compare Matthew 16:18.

JL: More WT traditions and smoke screen, to cover each time Jesus says FIRST AND THE LAST he is identifying himself as Almight God.

 

[Bill_Pick]

QUOTE: JL: It seems your founding brothers KNEW Christ was the Mighty God. Were they in ‘THE TRUTH’? or are you not now in ‘THE TRUTH’? END QUOTE

JL: Did you know all your JW brothers also worshiped that Might God till the 1950’s? When there was new light, which is not supposed to contradict old light. [New light never contradicts old light, but adds to it. WT 2/1881, p. 188]

Were they 'IN THE TRUTH or are you IN THE TRUTH” now? Both can’t be “IN THE TRUTH”, can they? How is that not a major, major contradiction? Tell me if Jesus returned secretly in 1874 original date then changed to1914 and was guiding the WT, why could he never get anything right? Why did he allow them worship him if he was an arch angel and call him a Mighty God? Arch Angels are not gods or a god any type.

“Let all the angels of God worship him’ [that must include Michael, the chief angel, hence Michael is not the Son of God].” WT 11/1879, p. 48

All creatures in heaven and earth shall worship Jesus as he worships the Father. WT 8/15/1941, p. 252

You must worship and bow down to Jehovah’s chief one, namely Jesus Christ. WT 10/15/1945, p. 313

“… it is unscriptural for worshipers of the living and true God to render worship to the Son of God, Jesus Christ.” WT 11/1/1964, p. 671

“Jesus Christ further deserves honor because he is Jehovah’s chief angel, or archangel.” The Watchtower, Feb. 1, 1991

“God did not send some angel to rescue mankind. He made the supreme sacrifice of sending his only-begotten Son…” The Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1991

Revelation 22:12 is referring to Jehovah. A 8/22/1978, p. 15

[Revelation 22:7, 12, 20 is referring to Jesus. WT 10/1/1978, p.15

Christians cannot be wishy-washy, going back to the same teachings they had rejected earlier. WT 5/15/1976, p. 298

[All WT quotes taken from the book, Index of Watch Tower Errors, David A Reed, editor compiled by Steve Huntoon & John Cornell, Baker Book House Grand Rapids, Michigan 49516 ]

JL: Proplem with your WT traditions of men, scripture no where calls Christ “a god”. Where does scripture tell us, Before Jesus came to earth, he was “a god,” “existing in God’s form? Please point that out to me. Jn1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, and THE WORD WAS GOD.

DjDave I.l pray for you but let me tell you something the JW would not know God if he was setting next to them at the kinghall.

 

[dj_dave]

JL: Yes I did, Jesus is BOTH man AND God, so just as all men have God, as their Father and God, so does Christ. Even as the only eternally begotten Son from all eternity, his Father is God. [Rv1:6 To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve HIS GOD AND FATHER—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.]

This was written 60 years AFTER Jesus went back to heaven, Rev 3:12 (BTW Compare with Thomas’ quote in (John 20:28) )

“The one that conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine.”

He was no longer a MAN as you say.

 

[dj_dave]

DjDave I.l pray for you but let me tell you something the JW would not know God if he was setting next to them at the kinghall.

You want to know what I think? I think you and jlhargus make a nice couple…

 

[distracted]

That old excuse has been refuted long ago.

Here is the proper exegesis for this passage:

2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV
16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

*Breathed out by God *- Inspired by God authoritative, the words of God, God made this writing happen for a purpose.

*Profitable for teaching, for reproof, correction, training in righteousness *- This is the purpose of scripture. This is what it is good for. Teaching the truth. Rebuking false doctrines. Correcting errors, and training in righeousness. That is everything a christian would need.

*That the man of God may be competent *- Who scripture is meant for and for what purpose. Those who are regenerate believers in God the elect; especially teachers.

Equipped for EVERY good work - This is the part where the passage teaches sufficiency of scripture. It is inspired by God so that a child of God can be equipped for EVERY good work that can possibly be done here on earth. If there is any work that can be done that isn;t in scripture then this passage isn’t true. Therefore, one must believe in the sufficiency of scripture if they believe in biblical inerrancy which the Roman Church claims it does.

So the word every is all encompasing and certainly teaches sufficiency.

Also, The table of contents of scripture is found in this passage:

Ephesians 2:20 ESV
19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,

The prophets and apostles spoke from God. Everything they wrote is canonical. We have all of their writings in the 66 book canon of scripture. That is how we got the bible. The prophets and apostles wrote it under inspiration of the Holy Spirit and the Church received it from them as true. Jesus Christ himself the Word of God is the cornerstone of the Church that is built upon the revelation of the prophets and apostles from God himself. That is why the church is apostolic we have their teachings recorded in scripture. The canon was closed when the last apostle (John) died. The bible is the written word of God and includes everything in it we need for faith and practice.

Your apologists have been refuted.

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at the time this stuff was written, the New Testament did not exist ***

 

[Bill_Pick]

You want to know what I think? I think you and jlhargus make a nice couple…

Dont know jhargus ,why does he also say you belong to a cult. Tell us about the trinity and mike you know the one they call angel

 

[Filioque]

Dont know jhargus ,why does he also say you belong to a cult. Tell us about the trinity and mike you know the one they call angel

Mike? You mean Michael Jackson? Why that makes it all clear, Michael Jackson is the Savior of the JWs. Well at least the most famous JW, so who knows? I’ll keep my eyes open for breaking news of MJ’s new position in the WT. SInce old beliefs are frequently found to be wrong, in order to make way for new ones.

 

[jlhargus]

FRST OF ALL AS I HAVE DONE ON OTHER POSTS THIS MORNING
I want to apologize for being mean and crule.

(Ephesians 4:29-32) .Let a rotten saying not proceed out of YOUR mouth, but whatever saying is good for building up as the need may be, that it may impart what is favorable to the hearers…31 Let all malicious bitterness and anger and wrath and screaming and abusive speech be taken away from YOU along with all badness. 32 But become kind to one another, tenderly compassionate, freely forgiving one another just as God also by Christ freely forgave YOU.

JL: I guess your word is as good as the WT’s and changes as quickly. I see you had new light since your insincere apology. Now you are getting down and dirty with personal attacts. Well I have always found JWs to be mean spirited and you are no different.

You want to know what I think? I think you and jlhargus make a nice couple…

JL: I think you own both of us an apology, not that I would believe it.

 

[jlhargus]

JL: Yes I did, Jesus is BOTH man AND God, so just as all men have God, as their Father and God, so does Christ. Even as the only eternally begotten Son from all eternity, his Father is God. [Rv1:6 To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve HIS GOD AND FATHER—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.]

This was written 60 years AFTER Jesus went back to heaven, Rev 3:12 (BTW Compare with Thomas’ quote in (John 20:28) )

JL: So what is your point? Or do you know what the WT point is, look in your canned remarks maybe they will tell you.

“The one that conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine.”
He was no longer a MAN as you say.

JL: Then I guess we have no mediator, 1Tm2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, THE MAN Christ Jesus.

Honestly Dj read the scriptures from Mt thru Rev on your own and you will find what the WT tells you is true. Except you will revert to TRUTH not apostasy. That’s why they don’t want JW reading scripture alone. “… from among the ranks of Jehovah’s people … haughty ones … say that it is sufficient to read the Bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such ‘Bible reading,’ they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom’s clergy were teaching 100 years ago…” WT 8/15/1981, pp. 28-29 [67 Index of Watch Tower Errors, David A Reed, editor compiled by Steve Huntoon & John Cornell, Baker Book House Grand Rapids, Michigan 49516].

 

[jlhargus]

Mike? You mean Michael Jackson? Why that makes it all clear, Michael Jackson is the Savior of the JWs. Well at least the most famous JW, so who knows? I’ll keep my eyes open for breaking news of MJ’s new position in the WT. SInce old beliefs are frequently found to be wrong, in order to make way for new ones.

JL: Good one, Filioque.

 

[dj_dave]

JL: So what is your point? Or do you know what the WT point is, look in your canned remarks maybe they will tell you.

JL: Then I guess we have no mediator, 1 Tm2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, THE MAN Christ Jesus.

I BELIEVE THERE IS NO “THE” (Definite Article) IN GREEK THERE…TRANSLATERS ADD AN “A”…1 Timothy 2:5 (Wycliffe New Testament)
*For one God and one mediator is of God and of men, a *man Christ Jesus,

By his sacrifice of a perfect human body with out sin The apostle Paul declares that there is “one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all”—for both Jews and Gentiles. (1Ti 2:5,*6) He mediates the new covenant between God and those taken into the new covenant, the congregation of spiritual Israel. (Heb 8:10-13; 12:24; Eph 5:25-27) Christ became Mediator in order that the ones called “might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance” (Heb 9:15); he assists, not the angels, but “Abraham’s seed.” (Heb 2:16) He assists those who are to be brought into the new covenant to be ‘adopted’ into Jehovah’s household of spiritual sons; these eventually will be in heaven as Christ’s brothers, becoming a part with him of the seed of Abraham. (Ro 8:15-17, 23-25; Ga 3:29) He has transmitted to them the promised holy spirit, with which spirit they are sealed and are given a token of what is to come, their heavenly inheritance. (2Co 5:5; Eph 1:13,*14) The total number of those who are finally and permanently sealed is revealed in Revelation 7:4-8 as 144,000.

Jn14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

What does '“also” mean?

 

[rinnie]

FRST OF ALL AS I HAVE DONE ON OTHER POSTS THIS MORNING
I want to apologize for being mean and crule.

(Ephesians 4:29-32) .Let a rotten saying not proceed out of YOUR mouth, but whatever saying is good for building up as the need may be, that it may impart what is favorable to the hearers…31 Let all malicious bitterness and anger and wrath and screaming and abusive speech be taken away from YOU along with all badness. 32 But become kind to one another, tenderly compassionate, freely forgiving one another just as God also by Christ freely forgave YOU.

I was a Catholic for 30 yerars and have a history of when I was young…nuf said
I will be nice from now on.

as for your comment… I too wondered about that so I looked into it. What was acutally said? Did they ever claim to be an inspired prohpet? Did they give warnings not to be over confident of certain dates? Did some ignore the warnings?

Please open-mindedly consider: users.picknowl.com.au/~hepburn/prophecy.htm

dj dave What did you just say. Correct me if I am wrong but did you say you were Catholic for 30 years. I am shocked! Tell me dj dave what could anyone in this world POSSIBLY do or SAY to have you leave the Catholic Church and give up the EUCHARIST.

I understand that People in the Church may not have lived up to the expectations of God. I will never deny that. Because People are human. But being a RC for 30 years there is no way that you could not understand that Jesus Christ is the RCC and the RCC is led by the Holy Spirit. If you were Catholic even if you left the faith you cannot deny the Trinity.

Dj dave what the heck happened?

 

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Actually the word all simply specifies all of scripture as being inspired by God. In other words there are no parts of it that are just the human authors opinion.

Fine, but then, how do I know what is Scripture? Where can I find an inspired list of books that are Scripture? If such list does not exist, then I have to rely on somebody to tell me what books constitute Scriptures and, that being the case, then Scripture ALONE is not enough.

The sufficiency is proved by what scripture is meant for and what it does when studied.
17 that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

That in no way proves sola scriptura.

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