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MrS
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and some had to be brought to Him like the paraplegic lowered through the roof… the faith of his friends was crucial to his healing.
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kujo313
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How is it, then, that the “dead in Christ shall rise first.”?I’ve come to a point where I get a chuckle when I hear a fundamentalist use the “dead people” argument—as if they die and cease to exist. That seems to be an atheistic concept. These “dead people” are more alive in Christ than you or I.
1 Thess 4:16
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Now it is evident that God exists outside the boundries of time and space. He can do that, He made it. To those who die in Christ, it’s like a blink of an eye or maybe a sleep. To us on earth, it can be alot longer seeing that we are bound to time and space.
Believing that Mary, who lived and died, is physically with you when you pray is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is with you, not somebody else.
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kujo313
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Woa! They didn’t go to Mary? Nope.
I love this story of the paraplegic. Such faith! Just like the woman with the issue of blood. She didn’t louldly say “unclean”, she pressed her way through the crowd to just touch the hem of Jesus robe, like she said.
How about the centurion? “Just say the word”.
There are more beautiful examples in the Bible. They went straight to Jesus, Himself.
THAT’S the way I will go, too.
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kujo313
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Your church cannot be one founded by Jesus if it is based on the bible.
Huh? If my church is based on the Bible, it is not founded by Jesus??
I checked BibleGateway.com. “Catholic” does not appear in the Bible. “Christian” does.
What seperates all of this is the man-made “traditions”. If it’s based on Scripture (from the Bible, the infallible Word of God), then it’s ok. If it takes your focus off of Jesus, then it’s not right.
Funny, the Jehovah’s Witnesses say THEY are right and you are not.
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montanaman
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It went like this: Jesus, Church, Bible.
NOT: Jesus, Bible, Church.
Why can’t Protestants see this? It’s right in front of them, but their blind spot is 360 degrees.
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jim1130
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Peace.
Yes, when all else fails please feel free to bring up the sex abuse scandal. It is certainly a subject that can apply to ANY Catholic issue or discussion
Peace.
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montanaman
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Whenever that comes up, I always point out the Protestant minister a friend of mine saw at an abortion clinic (while picketing). He drove his wife there–in the church car–for an abortion. Protestants usually bluster around for a while on that one until they grudgingly acknowledge that people are sinners. Or, they’ll simply change the subject.Peace.
Yes, when all else fails please feel free to bring up the sex abuse scandal. It is certainly a subject that can apply to ANY Catholic issue or discussion
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kujo313
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As i also posted, scandals happen all over. It’s non-discriminatory.Peace.
Yes, when all else fails please feel free to bring up the sex abuse scandal. It is certainly a subject that can apply to ANY Catholic issue or discussion
Peace.
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montanaman
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No, that wasn’t your point. You tried for a cheap shot at the Church with the “scandal score.”
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kujo313
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Nope! it’s: Jesus, Church. Jesus is revealed in the Scriptures and the fulfillment of the law.
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jim1130
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Peace.
My point is this: Why did you bring it up at all? It is irrelevant to this discussion, of which I am following, but truly get annoyed when the non—Catholics lob in the “priest sex abuse” bomb then try to soften the damage with the proverbial “but all people sin” follow-up. Funny how one is specific (priest sex abuse) and the other is general (all people sin), of which I am sure that you are exempt from the latter, based on the nature and attitude of your posts.
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montanaman
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So you recognize that Jesus came, founded the Church, which then wrote and protected the scriptures. Great!
This is no matter of lofty theological speculation. This is historical fact.
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kujo313
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I didnt say that Jesus, Himself, sat down and wrote anything. The Gospels were written first-hand, or by a scribe following one of the Gospel writers.
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montanaman
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Kujo–I noticed that you found that quote in your sig really scandalous. But, it’s the best summary of the problem of Protestantism there is. Protestants are such arrogant, condescending, smug little twerps when it comes to the Bible. (“Oh, you’re Catholic? Let me share with you what the Bible says about Jesus–do you know who Jesus is?”) But this great conceit on which they’ve built their rebellion, what they see as a rock-solid and noble foundation, was nowhere taught by Jesus or the apostles. Jesus didn’t start “Bible, Inc.” He founded his CHURCH.
So, be scandalized by MrS’ comments, but they’re absolutely true. If you’ve founded your “church” on a collection of books (inspired as they are), while even well-intentioned, it’s still not the Church of Christ.
Heh. And right now the newest Protestant fad is “home churching.” This phenomenon is really just the natural progression of the relativistic goo Protestantism produces. It’s less than a church based on the Bible. It’s a church based on the personalities of its four or five members. We already see Christians who deny you need to do ANYTHING to be a Christian. (I have a buddy who “goes to church” in his boxers at his girlfriend’s place every Sunday morning by merely flipping on a televangelist. Well, he doesn’t go there in his boxers–he’s usually there because he slept with her the night before.)
Anyway, that’s my short little rant for now. The point is, as the phone book shows us under “Churches,” basing your beliefs on the Bible alone is the blueprint for division and discord. I don’t know what it’s going to take for you guys to realize that, but you should really sort it out before you die.
So, be scandalized by MrS’ comments, but they’re absolutely true. If you’ve founded your “church” on a collection of books (inspired as they are), while even well-intentioned, it’s still not the Church of Christ.
Heh. And right now the newest Protestant fad is “home churching.” This phenomenon is really just the natural progression of the relativistic goo Protestantism produces. It’s less than a church based on the Bible. It’s a church based on the personalities of its four or five members. We already see Christians who deny you need to do ANYTHING to be a Christian. (I have a buddy who “goes to church” in his boxers at his girlfriend’s place every Sunday morning by merely flipping on a televangelist. Well, he doesn’t go there in his boxers–he’s usually there because he slept with her the night before.)
Anyway, that’s my short little rant for now. The point is, as the phone book shows us under “Churches,” basing your beliefs on the Bible alone is the blueprint for division and discord. I don’t know what it’s going to take for you guys to realize that, but you should really sort it out before you die.
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MariaG
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This surely is another thread, but please, your assertion needs to be backed up. The Catholic Church officially teaches nothing that contradicts the Bible.
Note: The Catechism is a book explaining what we believe, using the Bible (as well as other works written about Scripture), to help show exactly why we believe what we believe.
Most churches have a “catechism” but they are not quite so inclusive as the Catholic Church.
God Bless,
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montanaman
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She won’t be doing any more explaining. She bailed. Usual story–she needed to be “fed” more. I think it had to do with better daycare or something…
I’ll probably bail before too long, too. Not from the Church, but from the debates. I’ve just about thoroughly had it. I’ve met maybe two Protestants in my life willing to give up their anti-Catholic prejudice when their misconceptions fell apart. Most won’t–they’ll keep repeating the same b.s. about Mary worship long after you’ve explained the real deal to them.
Between this forum and the Protest Warrior forum, I’ve written over 10,000 apologetics posts. Some were kind. Some weren’t. Many were very long. Maybe some good was done, but I won’t know until after I die. Who can keep up that kind of Sisiphyian work?
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St.Eric
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It’s funny you mention this Montana. My next door neighbors have started their own “church” in their home. They were pentacostals who had a “falling out” with the local pastor so they have started their own sect. Every Sunday evening we get to hear a lot of tamborine playing and speaking in tongues. It is wild stuff. It just solidifies for me the fragility of the protestant theology, or rather, the Meology. “Hey, i disagree with the pastor. Let’s start our own church!” where is the Pillar and Foundation of truth? Seems like truth is highly individual within protestantism.
In fact, as I was flipping through the channels last night I saw Josh Mcdowell on TBN (TBN can be enteraining at times). He was talking about the crisis of faith within the Church (church as in the “body of beleivers” as the protestants define it). McDowell was saying that 91% of “born-again” youth today do not beleive in an absolute truth.
I think that is the fruit of the protestant reformation.
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Mickey
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You mean, through the eyes of the man who directed the movie.
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jim1130
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Peace.You mean, through the eyes of the man who directed the movie.
A movie with an unfiltered eye toward history? Must be directed by Oliver Stone, the master of balance and no agenda
Honestly and seriously, kujo313, I am sad to read that you are that impressionable to allow a movie to influence your opinions and determine the path of your life.
Peace.
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