Sola Scriptura--now I get

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St.Eric:
It’s funny you mention this Montana. My next door neighbors have started their own “church” in their home. They were pentacostals who had a “falling out” with the local pastor so they have started their own sect. Every Sunday evening we get to hear a lot of tamborine playing and speaking in tongues. It is wild stuff. It just solidifies for me the fragility of the protestant theology, or rather, the Meology. “Hey, i disagree with the pastor. Let’s start our own church!” where is the Pillar and Foundation of truth? Seems like truth is highly individual within protestantism.

In fact, as I was flipping through the channels last night I saw Josh Mcdowell on TBN (TBN can be enteraining at times). He was talking about the crisis of faith within the Church (church as in the “body of beleivers” as the protestants define it). McDowell was saying that 91% of “born-again” youth today do not beleive in an absolute truth.

I think that is the fruit of the protestant reformation.
“Meology.” Perfect.

It frustrates me to the point of foaming-at-the-mouth insanity that people who break away from whatever “Bible Church” they were attending give us the clearest example of what NOT to do. These people actually believe that an offshoot of an offshoot…

Well, I’m preaching to the choir here.

Point this out to the 20th generation breakaways and you’ll get to experience what the clown at the beginning of Ratzinger’s “Introduction to Christianity” felt. A clown at a nearby circus tries to explain to the villagers that their town is burning down. They laugh, he gets frantic, they laugh harder. All because he’s wearing a clown suit…
 
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montanaman:
I’ll probably bail before too long, too. Not from the Church, but from the debates. I’ve just about thoroughly had it. I’ve met maybe two Protestants in my life willing to give up their anti-Catholic prejudice when their misconceptions fell apart. Most won’t–they’ll keep repeating the same b.s. about Mary worship long after you’ve explained the real deal to them.

Between this forum and the Protest Warrior forum, I’ve written over 10,000 apologetics posts. Some were kind. Some weren’t. Many were very long. Maybe some good was done, but I won’t know until after I die. Who can keep up that kind of Sisiphyian work?
Well, I’ll certainly miss your insight. But come on, tell the truth. While you may take a several month break you’ll come back. You have a gift for reaching some you others give up for lost. You wouldn’t want to waste that gift.

What you need to do is ask God to let you see some of the fruit. Let him see a person who you personally talked to, may have thought, “this is no use” and now they are seriously looking into the Catholic Church or are in it. Ask. I know when I wonder what good I am doing, and ask, He always brings along a person who tells me how much I and or others helped.

Anyway, I do pray that you don’t give it up altogether. Just take a prolonged break. That is what I do, fairly frequently. In fact, I’ll be taking one for the next few weeks.

God Bless,
Maria
 
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jim1130:
Peace.

A movie with an unfiltered eye toward history? Must be directed by Oliver Stone, the master of balance and no agenda 😃

Honestly and seriously, kujo313, I am sad to read that you are that impressionable to allow a movie to influence your opinions and determine the path of your life.

Peace.
Nope, it didn’t take a movie. It took over 20 years experience and seeing the “fruit” of people who have been in there before.
What I was trying to say is that by watching the movie, you will see your “church” just as the way I see it.
My path is following the only Way.
 
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kujo313:
Nope, it didn’t take a movie. It took over 20 years experience and seeing the “fruit” of people who have been in there before.
What I was trying to say is that by watching the movie, you will see your “church” just as the way I see it.
My path is following the only Way.
yes, “the only way” according to the “full gospel temple.” The other 30,000 different protestant denominations also claim that they have “the only way.”
 
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St.Eric:
It’s funny you mention this Montana. My next door neighbors have started their own “church” in their home. They were pentacostals who had a “falling out” with the local pastor so they have started their own sect. Every Sunday evening we get to hear a lot of tamborine playing and speaking in tongues.

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Do they tithe?? 😃
 
Luther was emotionally imballanced and often tunnelvisioned…as evidenced in historical biographies. To belive via a movie as ‘true’ history is the lowest form of informing yourself on history.

in XT.
 
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montanaman:
** I’ll probably bail before too long, too. Not from the Church, but from the debates.**

Between this forum and the Protest Warrior forum, I’ve written over 10,000 apologetics posts. Some were kind. Some weren’t. Many were very long. Maybe some good was done, but I won’t know until after I die. Who can keep up that kind of Sisiphyian work?
Okay, so let’s say an even 10,000.

And let’s say you only had a positive effect on one person.

One in ten thousand

Was it worth the effort???

I say yes… keep up the good work !!
 
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MrS:
Okay, so let’s say an even 10,000.

And let’s say you only had a positive effect on one person.

One in ten thousand

Was it worth the effort???

I say yes… keep up the good work !!
So True!

If only one soul…

It is all worth it. The angels certainly rejoice when it happens;)

keep on keeping on Montanaman.

God bless,
Maria
 
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MrS:
Okay, so let’s say an even 10,000.

And let’s say you only had a positive effect on one person.

One in ten thousand

Was it worth the effort???

I say yes… keep up the good work !!
Heh. I’m being a little fatalistic. A couple of guys at the PW forum have gone “moderate” when it comes to Catholicism, but that’s about it. One guy in particular (a former Catholic) had dug his heels in, but his arguments are so transparently weak that just to clarify his case would take as much work as explaining the true Catholic position.

But yes, some of it’s been worth it.
 
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kujo313:
A good movie for you to rent (or buy) is “Luther”. In Martin Luther’s eyes is how I, personally, see the remnants of the RCC.
Did you know that Martin Luther had a very strong devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary?
 
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kujo313:
NOT a collection of books. Those SAME “books” are inside the covers of the Catholic “bible”. Watch what you say. “Inspired” by the Holy Spirit and the Gospels are the words of actuall witnesses who, FIRST-HAND, heard and SAW Jesus.
The Bible that I own does not get dusty at all.
Someone give me a history lesson here. But I was under the impression that not all of the authors of the New Testament SAW or personally KNEW Jesus in the flesh before he was crucified. Didn’t James write his book around 100 AD. Wasn’t Paul a convert who converted after the resurrection? Hey, i don’t claim to know it all!
 
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Mickey:
Did you know that Martin Luther had a very strong devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary?
Did the movie show how he wanted to chuck James and Revelation?

Did it accurately portray him at the moment he got his “faith alone” revelation? 😉
 
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kujo313:
A good movie for you to rent (or buy) is “Luther”. In Martin Luther’s eyes is how I, personally, see the remnants of the RCC.
It is quite amazing…is this a tactic used by Protestants often? My Presbyterian pastor (while trying to convince me that I was in grave error) insisted that I rent Luther to get an excellent viewpoint of the Reformation. I never did. I refused to let a Hollywood movie produced by people that are only out to make a good movie so they can make some money dictate my theological track. What sense would that make?/
 
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St.Eric:
yes, “the only way” according to the “full gospel temple.” The other 30,000 different protestant denominations also claim that they have “the only way.”
The “Way” is Jesus. You mean that the other denominations have another “way”?
 
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kujo313:
The “Way” is Jesus. You mean that the other denominations have another “way”?
they must. Otherwise- why would there be other denominations if everyone was preaching the same thing?
 
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St.Eric:
Someone give me a history lesson here. But I was under the impression that not all of the authors of the New Testament SAW or personally KNEW Jesus in the flesh before he was crucified. Didn’t James write his book around 100 AD. Wasn’t Paul a convert who converted after the resurrection? Hey, i don’t claim to know it all!
Can anyone answer my question above?
 
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kujo313:
The “Way” is Jesus. You mean that the other denominations have another “way”?
The word “Christian” was first used in Antioch. The Bishop of Antioch, Ignatius said around 107 A.D:

“See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” *Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110). *

Yes, Christianity was first called “The Way”. As a mocking term, I believe, the followers were first called Christians in Antioch. As you can see above from their Bishop those Christians belonged to the Catholic Church.

“[A]ll the people wondered that there should be such a difference between the unbelievers and the elect, of whom this most admirable Polycarp was one, having in our own times been an apostolic and prophetic teacher,** and bishop of the Catholic Church which is in Smyrna**. For every word that went out of his mouth either has been or shall yet be accomplished.” *Martyrdom of Polycarp, 16:2 (A.D. 155). *

“…to be in honour however** with the Catholic Church** for the ordering of ecclesiastical discipline…one to the Laodicenes, another to the Alexandrians, both forged in Paul’s name to suit the heresy of Marcion, and several others, which cannot be received into the Catholic Church; for it is not fitting that gall be mixed with honey. The Epistle of Jude no doubt, and the couple bearing the name of John, are accepted by the Catholic Church.…But of Arsinous, called also Valentinus, or of Militiades we receive nothing at all.” *The fragment of Muratori (A.D. 177). *

“[N]or does it consist in this, that he should again falsely imagine, as being above this [fancied being], a Pleroma at one time supposed to contain thirty, and at another time an innumerable tribe of Aeons, as these teachers who are destitute of truly divine wisdom maintain; while the Catholic Church possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world, as we have already said.” *Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1:10,3 (A.D. 180). *

“For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago,–in the reign of Antoninus for the most part,–and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the Catholic Church, in the church of Rome under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus, until on account of their ever restless curiosity, with which they even infected the brethren, they were more than once expelled.” *Tertullian, On the Prescription Against Heretics, 22,30 (A.D. 200). *

You see, the Catholic Church is the Church. It doesn’t say “Full Gospel Temple”.
 
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St.Eric:
they must. Otherwise- why would there be other denominations if everyone was preaching the same thing?
Because of their “traditions”. One denomination says that Jesus and Satan were brothers. Another teaches that there is no Trinity.
Though Scripture could prove them wrong, or that it isn’t even IN there, they do their own thing anyway.
 
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