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It doesn’t really bother me either.
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grampben
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Even on the Catholic side of things, a non-christian will say there are thousands of christian groups (including the Catholic church). How can christianity be true if there are loads of denominations?
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Bill_Pick
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FROM THE WORLD CHRISTIAN ENCYOPCLIA SPILLING WRONG AND SORRY ABOUT THE CAPPS
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SteveGC
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The determination of Christian denominations is not my field…but I would say this…
There are no Catholic denominations. There is the Catholic Church…period. Anything claiming to be a “denomination” of the Catholic Church is not at all affiliated with Her, any more than a protestant church is affiliated with Her. I don’t know the source document we are talking about, nor the details of these “few hunderd denominations” of Catholicism. Nevertheless, The Church recognizes only several different “rites” within Her (Byzantine, Latin, etc). A rite is not a denomination, in that it doesn’t maintain a separate and distinct belief system from The Church. The rites are The Church, just simply allowable different “expressions” of the same fundamental truths of the one Catholic Church.
The only thing one might be able to try to claim as a possible denomination are the Orthodox Churches which The Catholic Church has declared to be “in communion” with Her. But to claim them as denominations would be a serious stretch. To be “in communion” with The Catholic Church is to not be designated a separate denomination, in my opinion.
Someone smarter than me can correct me if I’m wrong…but I would confidently claim there are NO denominations of the Catholic Church. None whatsoever.
As far as the protestant denominations…I would agree 30,000 sounds far-fetched. But to even have 2 is enough to show disunity…and certainly if no one would debate 8,000 as a realistic figure, this should certainly raise all kinds of red flags about what happens when people break from the one authentic Church of Christ.
JMJ, you want to weigh in on this?
God Bless
There are no Catholic denominations. There is the Catholic Church…period. Anything claiming to be a “denomination” of the Catholic Church is not at all affiliated with Her, any more than a protestant church is affiliated with Her. I don’t know the source document we are talking about, nor the details of these “few hunderd denominations” of Catholicism. Nevertheless, The Church recognizes only several different “rites” within Her (Byzantine, Latin, etc). A rite is not a denomination, in that it doesn’t maintain a separate and distinct belief system from The Church. The rites are The Church, just simply allowable different “expressions” of the same fundamental truths of the one Catholic Church.
The only thing one might be able to try to claim as a possible denomination are the Orthodox Churches which The Catholic Church has declared to be “in communion” with Her. But to claim them as denominations would be a serious stretch. To be “in communion” with The Catholic Church is to not be designated a separate denomination, in my opinion.
Someone smarter than me can correct me if I’m wrong…but I would confidently claim there are NO denominations of the Catholic Church. None whatsoever.
As far as the protestant denominations…I would agree 30,000 sounds far-fetched. But to even have 2 is enough to show disunity…and certainly if no one would debate 8,000 as a realistic figure, this should certainly raise all kinds of red flags about what happens when people break from the one authentic Church of Christ.
JMJ, you want to weigh in on this?
God Bless
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Reuben_J
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There are NO denominations of the Catholic Church. And I don’t have to be smart to know that. Either the church is Catholic or it is not. Catholic Churches regardless of where they are on this planet are required to believe in the same doctrine and practice the same belief. It’s amazing how the one billion Catholics would be praying and particiating and hearing the same Biblical passages during the mass at anytime of the day and week anytime of the year all round. That’s because the Catholic Church is one. The mass or rather the Communion is an expression of this oneness with God and with each other.
God bless.
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ufamtobie
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Brian,If it were as easy as that…
It isn’t.
There are lots of churches with apostolic succession and in the two books he may have wrote, he does not give me any insight. If it were such a slam dunk, there would not be all these churches with apostolic succession.
I just read Eusebius tonight and that church looks as Oriental Orthodox or Eastern Orthodox as it does Catholic. Doctrinally who does it look more like? That is stickler for me.
Do any of these Apostolic Succession churches go back as far as over 2000 years ago and that was once guided by the First Pope Peter on down through succession the present Pope Bendict XVI.
How many Churches can truly claim this?
How many Churches have the Documantation of this?
There can only be one.
Is your Church an Apostolic Church?
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Bill_Pick
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No denomination other than Catholic can trace their roots in an unbroken succession all the way back to Peter and the apostles. A succession that has been manifested by the laying on of hands. Every other Christian denomination can ultimately trace their roots back to some individual and time when they separated from the Church built on Peter and the faith which that Church teaches.
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SteveGC
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SIA,
First…a request: If you are going to quote my posts, and then respond by typing within the quote, distinguish your comments from mine more clearly, perhaps using a different colored font, and separating yours from mine. Thank you.
Secondly, to respond to your comments:
You asked, why the distinction between “little c” and “big C”? And I answered that within that same post. The Church, which is truly catholic, further identified itself to the world as catholic by using this adjective in it’s formal name, “The Catholic Church”. No other denomination is either, because Catholic embodies the exact same description and definition as catholic, when regarding Christianity.
Your problem is that you buy into the false rhetoric that has brewed and spread over the past 500 years, which tries to make the distinction between the litte “c” and big “C”, when in reality there isn’t a distinction, and never has been one.
Eastern Orthodox DO maintain the same, fundamental unified beliefs as The Catholic Church, specifically those which align with the Deposit of Faith, and are essential for salvation. This is why The Catholic Church proclaims Orthdox Churches to be “in communion” with Her. And in that regard, they are indeed catholic.
Anglican?..no sir.
God Bless
First…a request: If you are going to quote my posts, and then respond by typing within the quote, distinguish your comments from mine more clearly, perhaps using a different colored font, and separating yours from mine. Thank you.
Secondly, to respond to your comments:
You asked, why the distinction between “little c” and “big C”? And I answered that within that same post. The Church, which is truly catholic, further identified itself to the world as catholic by using this adjective in it’s formal name, “The Catholic Church”. No other denomination is either, because Catholic embodies the exact same description and definition as catholic, when regarding Christianity.
Your problem is that you buy into the false rhetoric that has brewed and spread over the past 500 years, which tries to make the distinction between the litte “c” and big “C”, when in reality there isn’t a distinction, and never has been one.
Eastern Orthodox DO maintain the same, fundamental unified beliefs as The Catholic Church, specifically those which align with the Deposit of Faith, and are essential for salvation. This is why The Catholic Church proclaims Orthdox Churches to be “in communion” with Her. And in that regard, they are indeed catholic.
Anglican?..no sir.
God Bless
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Tell that to the Eastern Orthodox church.
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Bill_Pick
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that believing in the assumption of Mary as an example is necessary for my salvation. .
I DONT THINK ANY CATHLOIC BELIEVE THAT THEY MUST BELIEVE IN THE ASSUMPTION TO GET TO HEAVEN
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The Assumption of Mary is a revealed truth. It is to be held as true. To deny or even doubt it would then be heresy. Also, (and maybe more simply and positively put) to get to Heaven, you must have faith – even Protestants would agree with this. But, what is faith?
Faith (CCC 1814) – Faith is the theological virtue by which we believe in God and believe all that he has said and revealed to us, and that Holy Church proposes for our belief, because he is truth itself. By faith “man freely commits his entire self to God.”(DV 5.) For this reason the believer seeks to know and do God’s will. “The righteous shall live by faith.” Living faith “work(s) through charity.”(⇒ Rom 1:17; ⇒ Gal 5:6.)
Note that one of the elements of faith is believing all that Holy Church proposes for our belief – and one such teaching that is proposed for our belief is the Assumption.
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