Sola Scriptura

[Chellow]

Correction I don’t really know if at the time of the schism the churches had different books in each ones Canon, but as a Christian I’m lead to follow the bishop of my Church if tomorrow the bishop adds the Orthodox Canon, I’ll be just as happy to read them.

 

[Seeking_God]

God’s Salvation Plan for Mankind

The Romans Road to Salvation
I. Romans 3:10
As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one.
II. Romans 3:23
For all have sinned,and come short of the glory of God.
III. Romans 5:8
But God commends His Love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Jesus Christ died for us.
IV. Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.
V. Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
VI. Romans 10:9-11
That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God raised Jesus Christ from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture says, whosoever believes upon Jesus shall not be ashamed.
VII. Romans 10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved.
4 Steps To Peace With God

1)God’s Purpose: Peace and Life for you
God loves you and wants you to experience peace and life–abundant and eternal.

God says…
We have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 5:1
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. John 10:10
Why don’t most people have this peace and abundant life that God planned for us to have?

2)The Problem: Sin - Our Separation from God

God created us in His own image to have an abundant life. He did not make us as robots to automatically love and obey Him. God gave us a will and a freedom of choice. We chose to disobey God and go our own willful way. We still make this choice today. This results in separation from God.

God says…

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23
Our Attempts to Reach God. People have tried in many ways to bridge this gap between themselves and God

God says…

There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death. Proverbs 14:12
But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear. Isaiah 59:2
No bridge reaches God…except one.

3)God’s Bridge: The Cross is your Path to God
Jesus Christ died on the Cross and rose from the grave. He paid the penalty for our sin and bridged the gap between God and people.

God says…

For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5
For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. 1 Peter 3:18
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Jesus Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
If we walk in the Light, as Jesus is in the Light, we have fellowship one with another, for the Blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleans us from all Sin. I John 1:7

God has provided the only way. Each person must make a choice.

4)Ask Jesus Christ to save you. We must trust Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and receive Him by personal invitation.

God says…

“Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.” Revelation 3:20
Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God. John 1:12
That if you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

Want to ask Jesus Christ for Salvation right now?
Now is the Time For Salvation:

1. Admit your need (Lord Jesus, I am a sinner).
2. Be willing to turn from your sins (repent). (Jesus, I give my sins to you)
3. Believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins on the Cross and rose from the grave to save you.
4. Through prayer, invite Jesus Christ to come in and control your life through the Holy Spirit.

Receive Jesus now as your Lord and Savior
What to Pray: (example)
Lord God in Heaven,
I realize I am a sinner and need Your forgiveness. I believe you sent Your only Son Jesus Christ to be sacrificed on the cross for my sins. I believe Jesus was raised from the dead on the third day to bring me new life in You.

I want to turn from my sins and hand them over to you for sacrifice. Come into my soul and life to cover and cleanse my sins with the Blood of Jesus Christ. Make me a new creation in You. I trust and follow Jesus Christ alone as my personal Lord and Savior. Whatever you have for me I want it all! In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen.

God’s Assurance: God’s Word is Truth:
Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Romans 10:13
Did you sincerely ask God through Jesus Christ to come into your life? Where is He right now?

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God–not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8,9

By receiving Jesus Christ, we are born into God’s family through the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit who indwells every believer. This is called regeneration, or the “new birth.”

This is just the beginning of a wonderful new Life in Jesus Christ!
To deepen this relationship you should:

1. Abide in Jesus moment by moment, daily
2. Read your Bible everyday to know our God Jesus Christ better.
3. Talk to God in prayer every day.
4. Tell others how Jesus Christ can save them.
5. Worship, fellowship, and serve with other Christians in a church where Jesus Christ and the Gospel is preached.
6. As Jesus’ representative in this needy world, demonstrate your new life by your love and concern for others and this world.

 

[Seeking_God]

The same could be said for Tradition. Which is correct, the Catholic or Orthodox Tradition? How do we know except each says it is?

The Bible instructs us to test them to see if they are of The (Holy) Spirit.

 

[Seeking_God]

Yes faith is absolutely needed but you have to have work come along with it

That is one problem, because God says…

“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God–not by works, so that no one can boast.” Ephesians 2:8,9

We are not saved by our good works, but to do good works!!!
And another.
Catholicism teaches that it has the power and authority to forgive people’s sins. Here are a few quotes from the Catechism. (Whenever the Catechism mentions the “Church,” it is referring to the “Roman Catholic church”):
**“There is no offense, however serious, that the Church cannot forgive.” **Pg. 256, #982
“By Christ’s will, the Church possesses the power to forgive the sins of the baptized…” Pg. 257, #986. The Church, who through the bishop and his priests forgives sins in the name of Jesus Christ…" Pg. 363-364, #1448

Jesus says…
Matthew KJ V
12:31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:** but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men**.

32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

there are a lot of questions brought up in Scripture that are not answered therein. So where do we go to find those answers so that we have the fullness of truth and not just some of it?

Easy!!, The Holy Bible answers NT questions with OT Scripture. OT interperts NT, The Bible IS the answer. We are not to know everything until it is time.

Colossians 2:2
That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

Revelation 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Matthew 11:21, “Woe to thee, Corozain…For if in Tyre and Sidon had been worked the miracles that have been worked in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.” What are these miracles in Corozain? Where is the reference?

Matthew 6 (King James Version)–Matthew 7–Matthew 8–Matthew 9–Matthew 10–Matthew 11:1-5–Matthew 12:13. The writing of only one Apostle.

And still.
The following verse is God’s warning from the Bible.
Daniel 7:25 “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change TIMES and LAWS: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.”

Note it says they would think to change LAWS. This is because in reality man cannot change God’s law. They think they have changed it and boast they have changed it however, even though most Churches have come out of her and hence unknowingly followed her tradition, as far as God is concerned,

His Commandments remain unchanged. God’s law is eternal and unchanging as He is. Jesus commented the following in regards to putting human traditions in place of His law.

Mark 7:6-9 GNB says, “Jesus answered them, “How right Isaiah was when he prophesied about you! You are hypocrites, just as he wrote: ‘These people, says God, honor me with their words, but their heart is really far away from me. It is no use for them to worship me, because they teach human rules as though they were my laws!’ “You put aside God’s command and obey human
teachings.” And Jesus continued, “You have a clever way of rejecting God’s law in order to uphold your own teaching.”

Does the Bible support the change to Sunday?
“Is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sunday and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this law among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.” — James Cardinal Gibbons, The

Faith of Our Fathers (1917 edition), p. 72-73 (16th Edition, p 111; 88th Edition, p. 89).

“For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday.

Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible.” — Catholic Virginian, October 3, 1947, p. 9, article “To Tell You the Truth.”

Who Made Sunday Holy?
Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. ‘The day of the Lord’ was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the (Catholic) Church’s sense of its own power…

People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority,
should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” — St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.

The Bible says, ‘Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.’

The Catholic Church says: ‘No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.’ And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church.” — father T. Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, February 18, 1884, printed in History of the Sabbath, p. 802

Glory be to God

God Bless

Sorry for typos, Its late

 

[peacelight]

That is one problem, because God says…

“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God–not by works, so that no one can boast.” Ephesians 2:8,9

We are not saved by our good works, but to do good works!!!
And another.
Catholicism teaches that it has the power and authority to forgive people’s sins. Here are a few quotes from the Catechism. (Whenever the Catechism mentions the “Church,” it is referring to the “Roman Catholic church”):
**“There is no offense, however serious, that the Church cannot forgive.” **Pg. 256, #982
“By Christ’s will, the Church possesses the power to forgive the sins of the baptized…” Pg. 257, #986. The Church, who through the bishop and his priests forgives sins in the name of Jesus Christ…" Pg. 363-364, #1448

Jesus says…
Matthew KJ V
12:31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:** but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men**.

32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Easy!!, The Holy Bible answers NT questions with OT Scripture. OT interperts NT, The Bible IS the answer. We are not to know everything until it is time.

Colossians 2:2
That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

Revelation 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Matthew 6 (King James Version)–Matthew 7–Matthew 8–Matthew 9–Matthew 10–Matthew 11:1-5–Matthew 12:13. The writing of only one Apostle.

And still.
The following verse is God’s warning from the Bible.
Daniel 7:25 “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change TIMES and LAWS: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.”

Note it says they would think to change LAWS. This is because in reality man cannot change God’s law. They think they have changed it and boast they have changed it however, even though most Churches have come out of her and hence unknowingly followed her tradition, as far as God is concerned,

His Commandments remain unchanged. God’s law is eternal and unchanging as He is. Jesus commented the following in regards to putting human traditions in place of His law.

Mark 7:6-9 GNB says, “Jesus answered them, “How right Isaiah was when he prophesied about you! You are hypocrites, just as he wrote: ‘These people, says God, honor me with their words, but their heart is really far away from me. It is no use for them to worship me, because they teach human rules as though they were my laws!’ “You put aside God’s command and obey human
teachings.” And Jesus continued, “You have a clever way of rejecting God’s law in order to uphold your own teaching.”

Does the Bible support the change to Sunday?
“Is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sunday and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this law among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.” — James Cardinal Gibbons, The

Faith of Our Fathers (1917 edition), p. 72-73 (16th Edition, p 111; 88th Edition, p. 89).

“For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday.

Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible.” — Catholic Virginian, October 3, 1947, p. 9, article “To Tell You the Truth.”

Who Made Sunday Holy?
Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. ‘The day of the Lord’ was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the (Catholic) Church’s sense of its own power…

People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority,
should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” — St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.

The Bible says, ‘Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.’

The Catholic Church says: ‘No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.’ And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church.” — father T. Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, February 18, 1884, printed in History of the Sabbath, p. 802

Glory be to God

God Bless

Sorry for typos, Its late

That is another half of the truth. You need to look into Church Fathers. Read read read and study.

 

[peacelight]

We are Catholic and are Proud of it…No Matter What others said - Gates of hell shall not prevail against it ( Catholic Church ) - You may hurt and try to divert her members but you will never hurt Her the Church herself because She will be forever guarded by God himself.

"Christian is my name, and Catholic my surname. The one designates me, while the other makes me specific. Thus am I attested and set apart… When we are called Catholics it is by this appellation that our people are kept apart from any heretical name."
***Saint Pacian of Barcelona, Letter to Sympronian, 375 A.D… ***
"Always remain close to the Catholic Church, because it alone can give you true peace, since it alone possesses Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, the true Prince of Peace."
***Blessed Padre Pio… ***
"It is because Christ is the sole canon of her preaching that the Church adheres so obstinately and so rigidly to His traditional message. It is for this reason that she can endure no modernism, no fraternizing with the spirit of the age."
***Karl Adam, The Spirit of Catholicism… ***
"The Catholic Church understands its opponents, her opponents do not understand the Catholic Church."
***Hilaire Belloc, the Great Heresies… ***
"People can relate to a crucified Christ displayed in Catholic Churches, as each one of us has a cross to carry. None of us can relate to a risen Christ, as none of us has ever risen from the dead."
***Fr. Groeschel… ***
"Apologetic knowledge of the Catholic Church is deeper than the ocean depth and no one will ever reach the bottom."
***Anonymous… ***
"While Protestants study the menu (the Bible), Catholics enjoy the meal."
***Dr Scott Hahn… ***
"Dogmas of the Catholic Church are interconnected. If one is rejected, such as the infallibility of the Pope, then all are rejected."
***Fr. Trujillo… ***
"Here is the shotgun analogy. Fire a Protestant shotgun and a Catholic shotgun at a wall. The pattern will be the opinions of those within, liberal, conservative, etc. With the Catholic, we always know who is at the center, the Pope and the Magisterium. With the Protestant, how can we determine who is in the center?"
***Marcus Grodi, ex Protestant minister, now Catholic… ***
"You blind guides who strain out the gnat but swallow the camel."
***Matthew 23:24… ***
"The Catholic faith does not teach what we used to think and vainly accused it of."
***St. **Augustine, Confessions, 6,11, 400 A.D… *
"For those who spread lies about the Catholic Church: their ignorance is their lack of knowledge, their stupidity is their wisdom, and their truth is falsehood."
***Author Unknown… ***
"Heretics bring sentence upon themselves since they by their own choice withdraw from the Church, a withdrawal which, since they are aware of it, constitutes damnation."
***St. **Jerome Commentaries on Titus, 3,10 386 A.D… *
***“Where Peter is, there is the Church.” ***
***St Ambrose of Milan, On twelve Psalms 381 A.D… ***
"A Christian man is Catholic while he lives in the body; cut off, he is made a heretic; the Spirit does not follow an amputated member."
***Saint Augustine… ***
***“The Catholic Church Always Has What The World Is Lacking.” ***
***G.K. Chesterton… ***
"When the world goes wrong, it proves that the Church is right."
***G.K. Chesterton… ***
"It is contradictory for a Protestant to accept the Bible and reject the authority of the Catholic Church which gave it to him."
***Anonymous… ***

 

[peacelight]

"In attacking the Catholic Church, Protestants sever their own roots."
***Author Unknown… ***
"Protestant Churches have songs and prayer. Catholic Churches have songs, prayer, and sacrifice."
***Dr. Scott Hahn… ***
"No protestant should quote Scripture at all, for he has no means of knowing which books are inspired; Unless of course, he wants to accept the authority of the Catholic Church for that."
***Fr. William Most… ***
***“If you read the Bible with Catholic eyes, things will start popping out at you.” ***
***Author Unknown… ***
***“Thanks to the Catholic Church, the authority and the integrity of the Bible was kept intact.” ***
***Author Unknown… ***
***“Catholic beliefs for 2000 years have been affirmed by independent study.” ***
***“The fullness of truth is in the Catholic Church.” ***
"Our Church is the fastest growing Church in the world. We have one billion Catholics in the world today." (1995)
***Fr. Luke Zimmer… ***

***Note! Now there are 1,070,000,000 Catholics as of April 2001. World Christian Encyclopedia ***
"You must all follow the lead of the bishop, as Jesus Christ followed that of the Father; follow the presbytery as you would the Apostles; reverence the deacons as you would God’s commandment. Let no one do anything touching the Church, apart from the bishop. Let that celebration of the Eucharist be considered valid which is held under the bishop or anyone to whom he has committed it. Where the bishop appears, there let the people be, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not permitted without authorization from the bishop either to baptize or to hold an agape; but whatever he approves is also pleasing to God. Thus everything you do will be proof against danger and valid."
***Saint Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the **Smyrneans, 107 A.D… *
"From what has been said, then, it seems clear to me that the true Church, that which is really ancient, is one; and in it are enrolled those who, in accord with a design, are just… We say, therefore, that in substance, in concept, in origin and in eminence, the ancient and Catholic Church is alone, gathering as it does into the unity of the one faith which results from familiar covenants, - or rather, from the one covenant in different times, by the will of the one GOD and through the one Lord, - those already chosen, those predestined by GOD who knew before the foundation of the world that they would be just."
***Saint Clement of Alexandria, Stromateis, 202 A.D… ***
"It is therefore, the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth; this, the domicile of faith; this the temple of GOD. Whoever does not enter there or whoever does not go out from here, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation… Because, however, all the various groups of heretics are confident that they are the Christians, and think that theirs is the Catholic Church, let it be known: that is the true Church, in which there is confession and penance, and which takes a salubrious care of sins and wounds to which the weak flesh is subject."
***Lactantius, The Divine Institutions, 304 A.D… ***
"Let us note that the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, was preached by the Apostles, and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded; and if anyone departs from this, he neither is nor any longer ought to be called a Christian."
***St. **Athanasius, Letter to Serapion of Thmuis, 359 A.D… *
"I should not believe the Gospel except as moved by the authority of the Catholic Church."
***Saint Augustine of Hippo, Against the Letter of Mani, 397 A.D… ***
"This Church is Holy, the One Church, the True Church, the Catholic Church, fighting as she does against all heresies. She can fight, but she cannot be beaten. All heresies are expelled from her, like the useless loppings pruned from a vine. She remains fixed in her root, in her vine, in her love. The gates of hell shall not conquer her."
Saint Augustine of Hippo, Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed, 6,14, 395 A.D.

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Source: Catholic Treasure Chest

 

[honeysuckle]

Why do you people keep coming back here with the same tired, flimsy, anti-intellectual, anti-faithful, Schismatic arguments?

It would be one thing if the arguments generated constructive debate. But they don’t, because you people can’t ever move on to more complex principles. You just repeat the same error over and over and over, and you are corrected again and again, but instead of accepting the correction and then moving on to another level of debate, you just repeat what you have said. It’s the same thing over and over even when you have been shown that what you are saying isn’t true, and can’t be true. What do you think you are accomplishing? Catholics who understand their faith are one with the body and blood of Christ and He is our Master, and yet instead of focusing on the lost of the world, or perhaps on your demi-god pastors who are controlled by money and politics, you are here engaging in un-productive, un-fruitful, anti-debates.

 

[Seeking_God]

but more importantly, what you do not have.

You do not have a Holy Trinity to believe in do you?

Yes!!! I do. Glory be to God, in Jesus Name. Amen

The Godhead eternally exists in three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—and that these three are one God, having precisely the same nature, attributes, and perfections, and worthy of precisely the same homage, confidence, and obedience (Matt. 28:18–19; Mark 12:29; John 1:14; Acts 5:3–4; 2 Cor. 13:14; Heb. 1:1–3; Rev. 1:4–6).

John 14:1-3
14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
14:2In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
14:3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

[brkn1]

Elucidation:
Here is a summary of the facts regarding Sola Scriptura.

1. SS does not provide us with the word “Trinity”. So why do SS believers even use the word?
2. SS does not define the Holy Trinity. So why do SS believers think it even exists?
3. Do you believe in something called the “Rapture”? How can you when the word is not to be found in your Bible?
4. Do you believe in “Christianity”? Well that word cannot be found in the Bible either for SS believers.
5. SS could have not possibly have worked for over one thousand years after the Latin Vulgate of 404

I just quoted a few of your facts that you might want to look at before using again them to defend your viewpoint.

#7. & #8. … the Trinity not being defined in Scripture…You should check out (1 John 5:7) “For there are THREE that bear record in Heaven; the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these THREE are ONE.”
A believer should not have any problem seeing the “Trinity” in that verse, if the Holy Spirit is guiding him. Just substitute the whole verse for " Holy Trinity", instead of using the word “Trinity”, if you please. That verse DOES define the Trinity.

#12 & #19 belong together to easily refute the “Rapture” word that you claim does not exist.
I’d bet you that the Latin Vulgate, which is is/was the official bible of the RCC has that word in it, unless they decided to change God’s Word and eliminate “rapture”, which is a Latin word in place of the original Greek. In any case, it is supposed to be in YOUR Latin version, not the English one that the RCC, at one time, did not want to get into the hands of “ordinary” believers, such as myself.

#13 The word “Christianity” is a natural derivative of the word Christ. How much of a genius does one have to be to have no problem using or understanding the meaning of that word as referring to a believer in or follower of Christ? It is done all the time when speaking about others who have some profession to a person, belief, or skill etc.

 

[Seeking_God]

Why do you people keep coming back here with the same tired, flimsy, anti-intellectual, anti-faithful, Schismatic arguments?

No need to come back, as you say. Catholic Answers Forums > Forums > Non-Catholic Religions > Sola Scriptura
I’m sorry, I posted in the Catholic only forum and not where this should have been. Mods delete my email address,my username/account, and that will be that.

You just repeat the same error over and over and over, and you are corrected again and again, but instead of accepting the correction and then moving on to another level of debate, what you are saying isn’t true, and can’t be true.

I left a Catholic Church, because of its teachings: Experience.1)The Great flood did not happen. Explanation: It was a long time ago. memory of those writers could of been faulty. If I lived in the Mid-West. I would think the world was flooding because the land is flat. (2) Jesus Christ already returned to earth in 70 AD. (3)Revelation is symbolic and not meant to be taken literally. I KID YOU NOT.
4)Why does the Catholic Church reject the Rapture? When The Holy Bible teaches it will be so.

Rev. 4:1After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Matt. 24:3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Matt. 24:6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Matthew 24: 40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Matthew 24: 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
1 Thessalonians 1
10And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
1Thessalonians4
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

2 Thessalonians 2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

1 Thessalonians 4
14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

5)Worship of idols, graven images. Statues, stained glass, paintings. Nobody knows how the Lord appears in all His Glory. No painting or statue could ever portray His Glory. What is seen is an artists rendition of, of how he “thinks” God looks.

2nd Commandment. Exodus 20:4-6 You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my Commandments.

1. allah is the same God of the Holy Bible. Disturbing I know, gearing up for the OWR.

What do you think you are accomplishing? Catholics who understand their faith are one with the body and blood of Christ and He is our Master, and yet instead of focusing on the lost of the world, or perhaps on your demi-god pastors who are controlled by money and politics, you are here engaging in un-productive, un-fruitful, anti-debates.

I would expect a comment like this from the non-believers forum. Understand faith? Read the 2nd Commandment again. Demi-god pastors? Nope, Just a Bible Thumping, gun clinging, Fundalmentalist. Please, no throw stones, when it concerns Catholic Priests.

Nice, YOU judge

same tired, flimsy, anti-intellectual, anti-faithful, Schismatic arguments

No sense in posting a subject you have disdain for.

 

[brkn1]

I looked up (1 Thessalonians 4:17) “Then we which are alive and remain shall be (caught up) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

The Latin word used in the Vulgate is: (rapiermur) which is close enough to the word “rapture” that everyone says has no basis in Scripture.

I also noticed that this verse does not leave any time for what is supposed to be the cleansing of “purgatory”.
Scripture is quite clear that the only way that all of our sins can be cleansed is by the Precious Blood of Jesus, which was once shed for us, so purgatory won’t do it anyway. See (1 John 1:7).
Jesus, “by Himself”, did it all for us sinners. All Praise and Glory be to our Gracious God and Saviour. Amen.

 

[MementoMori3283]

“Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfill. For verily, I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law** till **all be fulfilled.”

If Jesus fulfilled all,

Seeking_God:

Jesus fullfilled all. Yes! Glory be to God!!!

then why is it so terrible to honor the day that He conquered death and rose to new life? Thereby providing sinful man the path to Heaven through the sacrifice of His body.

For is it not written,
Jesus Christ Mt 12:6-8 KJV:

But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

or why don’t Christians keep Passover, Feast of Booths, etc, etc. For according to our heavenly Father,
God Ex 31:13:

Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Catholics, and most Christians, do not dishonor God in honoring the Son, in much the same way it is impossible to dishonor the Son by honoring the mother.
Jesus Christ Jn 14:19-27:

“A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”
Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.

“These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name,** He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.** Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Finally, we can not rely upon the Bible alone because,
John Jn 21:24-25:

This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.

And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

 

[peacelight]

Warning to non-Catholic. Becareful what you wish for? Sound so dramatic isn’t it? Nah just kidding.

I was on the other thread a while ago and this beautiful soul said “the more you hang around here, the more you’re gonna start asking questions, and you might not like the answers you’ll get.” and it happen already. And he goes again "The answers may come from the good folks on this forum (that know way more than me) and me too or directly from the Holy Spirit.

He said who do you think guides this web site m’am? Does all this just happen? Just a bunch of people with a fast broadband connection and bandwith? Noooo, it is something much more than that. Catholics from all over the world gather here to share what we have, with each other, and our brothers and sisters from other Faiths." and he is right many many of us here are very very serious about what we posted. Simply to share with you the light that you have not seen before through our Catholic eyes. Definitely not trying to convert you to Catholism simply sharing with you. What lead you to join this forum if not the Holy Spirit and that if you believe in the Holy Spirit and I am sure you do. Holy Spirits works in a mysterious way, least expected way.

That being said be not afraid. You have all the rights to ask just about anything. We certainly don’t want to get in way of the Holy Spirits. The door is open for you to learn more about Catholic and it is up to you whether you want to keep it open for yourself or close it but one thing for sure the door here is always open to each and everyone. God bless you!

 

[MarcoPolo]

Who is The Final Authority?

The final authority is Christ who speaks through His apostles (Mt 28:18, Lk 10:16) and successors in the Church (2 Cor 5:20, 1 Tim 3:15, Acts 13:3, Acts 8:18, etc.). The Catholic Church…the same one that wrote and identified the books of the Bible.

1. This catechism is the official source for all Roman Catholic doctrine. No one can deny that it contains the actual teachings of the Roman Catholic church.

This is not entirely correct. The book itself is a summary cross-referenced to the actual documents that are dogmatic and authoritative. Nevertheless, you are correct, the Catechism is a sure norm for teaching the faith.

 

[MarcoPolo]

I also noticed that this verse does not leave any time for what is supposed to be the cleansing of “purgatory”.

The Church does not have a position that Purgatory takes “time”. In fact, this is what Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) said on the matter:*The transforming ‘moment’ of this encounter (purgatory) cannot be quantified by the measurements of earthly time. It is, indeed, not eternal but a transition, and yet trying to qualify it as of ‘short’ or ‘long’ duration on the basis of temporal measurements derived from physics would be naive and unproductive.*Also make no mistake, all spiritual purification is by Christ’s blood. Purgatory does not take away from Christ’s blood, it draws from it in the same way earthly purification would.

More reading on Purgatory. And here.

 

[peacelight]

Warning to non-Catholic. Becareful what you wish for? Sound so dramatic isn’t it? Nah just kidding.

I was on the other thread a while ago and this beautiful soul said “the more you hang around here, the more you’re gonna start asking questions, and you might not like the answers you’ll get.” and it happen already. And he goes again "The answers may come from the good folks on this forum (that know way more than me) and me too or directly from the Holy Spirit.

He said who do you think guides this web site m’am? Does all this just happen? Just a bunch of people with a fast broadband connection and bandwith? Noooo, it is something much more than that. Catholics from all over the world gather here to share what we have, with each other, and our brothers and sisters from other Faiths." and he is right many many of us here are very very serious about what we posted. Simply to share with you the light that you have not seen before through our Catholic eyes. Definitely not trying to convert you to Catholism simply sharing with you. What lead you to join this forum if not the Holy Spirit and that if you believe in the Holy Spirit and I am sure you do. Holy Spirits works in a mysterious way, least expected way.

That being said be not afraid. You have all the rights to ask just about anything. We certainly don’t want to get in way of the Holy Spirits. The door is open for you to learn more about Catholic and it is up to you whether you want to keep it open for yourself or close it but one thing for sure the door here is always open to each and everyone. God bless you!

 

[brkn1]

This thread does demonstrate why Catholics should be careful when “casting stones”, using Scripture, to disprove those who hold to the Bible as having the final say in matters of understanding God’s revelation of His Purpose and Will. The Holy Spirit is the guide in any true interpretation of God’s Word and the Bible does claim itself as the adequate and final authority, when carefully studied.

There are many things that Catholics believe that can not really be found in Scripture, unless one gets “poetic” with interpreting it.
Transubstantiation, purgatory, Marian doctrine, indulgences, Faith also necessary in RCC for salvation, etc.

This thread went from quoting Scripture to disprove Sola Scriptura onto quoting non-scriptural proofs and sayings. There is a lack of being consistent when using this method. There are other sources that Catholics rely on to prove what they believe. Quoting Scripture to disprove other beliefs does not have all that much validity, if you do not hold that requirement for yourself also.

May we all be found in His Grace and Peace on that Day.

 

[MementoMori3283]

There are many things that Catholics believe that can not really be found in Scripture, unless one gets “poetic” with interpreting it.
Transubstantiation, purgatory, Marian doctrine, indulgences, Faith also necessary in RCC for salvation, etc.

How do you interpret the following:
Jesus Christ Jn 14:26-27 KJV:

“These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

is it possible that the Holy Spirit is confined to the Holy Bible? did the Holy Spirit only teach those that are contained therein?

 

[NDfan]

How do you interpret the following:

is it possible that the Holy Spirit is confined to the Holy Bible? did the Holy Spirit only teach those that are contained therein?

Certainly the Holy Spirit is not confined by any writing as there’s no amount of writings that could contain everything the Holy Spirit could say. So the question really becomes, did the Holy Spirit give teachings to the Apostles that appear outside of scripture?

Now if you claim HE did then please tell me something that has been passed down since say Pentecost that was only taught orally by the Holy Spirit and ONLY passed on orally to the present Pope.

PEACE