sola scriptura

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So… in the 3rd century - who would’ve felt more at home in an early Christian Church: a Catholic or a Baptist?
Depends. Did they have casseroles?

It’s a subjective question so it’s a bit unanswerable. I imagine many fundamentalist Baptists would’ve been uncomfortable with some of the liturgical aspects. Who really can say, though?
 
So… in the 3rd century - who would’ve felt more at home in an early Christian Church: a Catholic or a Baptist?
Excellent question. The early Christians focused mostly on the Eucharist, since they believed in the Real Presence in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. But maybe Baptists do, too.
 
You mean to say the Catholic Church? I can’t look up you’re specific scripture quotes, because my Bible (Douay-Rheims) is formatted differently.
Depends on how you’re using the catholic church. All the saints? Yes. The magisterium? No. “The church” in Scripture cannot have “the magisterium” substituted in its place.
 
Depends on how you’re using the catholic church. All the saints? Yes. The magisterium? No. “The church” in Scripture cannot have “the magisterium” substituted in its place.
So you believe that the verses gives all the saints the authority to determine if something is demonstrated to be a revelation from God?
 
So you believe that the verses give the saints the authority to determine if something is demonstrated to be a revelation from God?
As a community of faith, yes. Not in isolation from the rest of the body. We are induvidual and communal. This is precisely how revelation was received. By that I mean the canon. The myth of a handful of bishops sitting around a table determining what is and isn’t canon may work well for dramatic effect in the Di’Vinci Code, but it doesn’t bode well for actual history. Laymen, elders, deacons, scholars, theologians all did the work of copying the NT documents, traveling all over the known world distributing them to other churches, keeping existing copies safe from Roman seizures, reading them as part of the liturgies, examining their reliability, refuting heretical and/spurious writings like the Gospel of Thomas, etc. The church received revelation, not a caste within the church.
 
As a community of faith, yes. Not in isolation from the rest of the body. We are induvidual and communal. This is precisely how revelation was received. By that I mean the canon. The myth of a handful of bishops sitting around a table determining what is and isn’t canon may work well for dramatic effect in the Di’Vinci Code, but it doesn’t bode well for actual history. Laymen, elders, deacons, scholars, theologians all did the work of copying the NT documents, traveling all over the known world distributing them to other churches, keeping existing copies safe from Roman seizures, reading them as part of the liturgies, examining their reliability, refuting heretical and/spurious writings like the Gospel of Thomas, etc. The church received revelation, not a caste within the church.
So you believe individuals and communities are considered as saints, and that these individual communities and saints decide whether or not something is demonstrated to be in conformity with revelation, is this correct?
 
So you believe individuals and communities are considered as saints, and that these individual communities and saints decide whether or not something is demonstrated to be in conformity with revelation, is this correct?
By way of comparison, Denise…let’s look at Paul’s words in Galatians 1:8. But even if we or an angel from heaven preach a gospel to you different than what you heard from us, let him be accursed!

So…are these words written so that the church in Galatia could reject a false gospel…or are they written to the bishops…who were the ones doing the false teaching?
 
How is it working out for the Baptists to have individuals and communities deciding what is in conformity with revelation? How many different Baptist confessions are there, and have there been, since the early 1600’s?

I’m just sayin’, you know?
 
How is it working out for the Baptists to have individuals and communities deciding what is in conformity with revelation? How many different Baptist confessions are there, and have there been, since the early 1600’s?

I’m just sayin’, you know?
Baptists are pretty uniform in their beliefs. We don’t have 300 million Eastern Baptists claiming that their sacred apostolic tradition is true and our sacred apostolic tradition is false 😛
 
Baptists are pretty uniform in their beliefs. We don’t have 300 million Eastern Baptists claiming that their sacred apostolic tradition is true and our sacred apostolic tradition is false 😛
All Baptists have conformity of belief with all other Baptists? Really?
 
All Baptists have conformity of belief with all other Baptists? Really?
For the most part. The biggest differences currently are among the eggheads on things like Calvinism. As to the basic tenets expressed, we’re pretty united.
 
For the most part. The biggest differences currently are among the eggheads on things like Calvinism. As to the basic tenets expressed, we’re pretty united.
So it may be a little difficult to be united in deciding if Calvinism fits the criteria of conforming with revelation?
 
So it may be a little difficult to be united in deciding if Calvinism fits the criteria of conforming with revelation?
It’s a subject for continued discussion for sure. Esoteric concepts like that have been a constant debate in the church since Augustine and Pelagius. Remember, of course that Baptist churches are local churches. The concept of denomination as it is popularly understood is a foreign concept to us. The Southern Baptist Convention, as an example, is a federation of local churches united around a common confession. Our churches are individually independent of an outside hierarchy, though.
 
Baptists are pretty uniform in their beliefs.
You just have Southern baptists, American baptists, reformed baptists, free will baptists, evangelical free baptists, Independent baptists, primitive baptists, etc., etc., etc…all with their own spin on things. 😉
 
You just have Southern baptists, American baptists, reformed baptists, free will baptists, evangelical free baptists, Independent baptists, primitive baptists, etc., etc., etc…all with their own spin on things. 😉
Most “reformed” Baptists exist within existing denominational structures. Ditto for a lot of the others, too. Yes, there are a few other Baptist conferences as well…however, aside from a few points of disagreement, there is little variation.

It’s not like we have a significant number that reject Chalcedon or anything 😛
 
All Baptists have conformity of belief with all other Baptists? Really?
No, Denise. Baptists do NOT have conformity of belief.

There are First Baptist, Second Baptist, General Baptist, Independent Baptist, American Baptist, Southern Baptist, Primitive Baptist…the list goes on and on.

Not to mention little Baptist churches such as these, on street corners of every town in America.

 
Can you name them Mickey?
After you answer the questions that you have been avoiding from everyone on this thread for days. You are very good at throwing subtle insults…but you lost the debate on sola scriptura long ago. I’ll tell ya what. Start with PRmergers questions…and we’ll go from there…eh? 😛
 
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