Sola Scriptura . . .

[NotWorthy]

HOW do you know if the saint that you’re praying to says “no”?

How do you know if God says, “NO”? Kujo, you’re an expert on Catholicism? You know the saint will pray for us if it’s in accordance with God’s Will?

Where in the Bible does it say that the saints say “yes, I’ll pray” or even IF they pray at all?

Revelation.

Why did Luther want Revelation thrown out of the Canon? Hmmmmmm…

Why would you go to a saint when you can go directly to God, Himself, through Jesus?

Ask saint Paul? He repeatedly asks for others prayers. Why in the world didn’t he just go straight to the Source?

Also, who says we go to a saint INSTEAD of God. Catholics should do both if they are going to a saint.

Am I wrong if I decide to go to God and not through a saint?

No, Kujo, you’re not wrong, and nobody should chastise you for not asking the Saints for help. The point of it is, it’s like trying to play a football game without your star receiver. You can still win without him, but you’re going to have a tougher go at it.

**Someone should only pray for Mary’s or the Saints’ help when they can do so in good conscience and not a moment before!
**

 

[NotWorthy]

Not missing out at all. The Church’s “mission” on earth is to reconcile the earth to God. Jesus is the Way.
Once a person is saved and dies, one mission accomplished.
Next!
It’s like a “lifeboat”, if I may say.
Boat is sinking. The people working on the boat put the passengers on the lifeboats where they can be safe. Once a passenger is on the lifeboat, the “worker” can concentrate on the next passenger.
The people on earth are the passengers. It’s the Believer’s “job” to get them saved keep them that way. Once a saint dies, that “job” is done.

I’m sorry, but what Scripture says that?

 

[Contarini]

Not missing out at all. The Church’s “mission” on earth is to reconcile the earth to God. Jesus is the Way.
Once a person is saved and dies, one mission accomplished.
Next!
It’s like a “lifeboat”, if I may say.
Boat is sinking. The people working on the boat put the passengers on the lifeboats where they can be safe. Once a passenger is on the lifeboat, the “worker” can concentrate on the next passenger.
The people on earth are the passengers. It’s the Believer’s “job” to get them saved keep them that way. Once a saint dies, that “job” is done.

This is a thoroughly unbiblical notion of salvation and it contradicts your opening sentence. You’re so steeped in individualism you can’t even see the difference between reconciling the earth (i.e., all creation) to God and saving individuals as individuals.

We are saved by being incorporated into the body of Christ. That *is *salvation!

Edwin

 

[NotWorthy]

You want to get to heaven? Reach out your hand and bring someone with you.

The saints in heaven realize this, and continue in their efforts to bring more of us into the Body of Christ. THEY are the ones cheering when the lost sheep is found. THEY are the cloud of witnesses cheering us on.

Kujo, the way you describe it, it’s like they are saying, “Sorry, the boats full. You’re going to have to find your own!”. That’s not very “Bodily” would you say?

 

[down_under]

HOW do you know if the saint that you’re praying to says “no”? Where in the Bible does it say that the saints say “yes, I’ll pray” or even IF they pray at all?
Why would you go to a saint when you can go directly to God, Himself, through Jesus?
Am I wrong if I decide to go to God and not through a saint?

from mary to the communion of saints we just cant stay on topic can we. Tap Tap Tap dancing all around. We are talking about SS. This is another subject where you have your versus and I have mine and I dont have to believe you and you dont have to believe me. Because we are both reading the bible and guided by the holy spirit to the correct interperation. unless you can point to a divinely appointed athoritative interperater you cannot make me believe anthing. I truly think your interperation is wrong and that is all there is to it. Of course responding to me means getting back on topic so you might not want to do that.

 

[Randy_Carson]

The terrible trap MountainBoy struggles with in post #311 is I think what underlies the intellectual positions of Protestantism, including Sola Scriptura. I am glad he made the attempt to give the reasoning, because it’s kind of the unspoken nastiness between us all. I think protestants think they are conscience-bound to discern the state of holiness of another’s soul as a prerequisite to evaluating that person’s statements.

This is indeed a heavy burden, indeed impossible for anyone but God.

It is true that we see people who seem vicious do bad things; we see people who seem holy do virtuous things. But we also see people who seem vicious do good things, etc. If an otherwise holy person did an evil thing, that means one thing for Protestants, and another for Catholics. We say he fell, and he has to repent that fall and get right back up: he has to re-enter the process of his own salvation in which he is a participant. We say we are all sinners; those of us who are following Christ are always repenting and attempting to follow Him better.

Anyway, I think Randy Carson in post 314 responded thoroughly.

I would like to see this another round on this :bounce:

Well, for the eager beavers, look up a thread I started awhile back called, “Not By Scripture Alone”.

That was a doozy.

 

[Randy_Carson]

HOW do you know if the saint that you’re praying to says “no”? Where in the Bible does it say that the saints say “yes, I’ll pray” or even IF they pray at all?

Because they are holy and their charity knows no bounds.

Why would you go to a saint when you can go directly to God, Himself, through Jesus?

Why is it always either or with non-Catholics? Why not do both?

Am I wrong if I decide to go to God and not through a saint?

Of course not.

But you’ll fall asleep (could you not watch with me one hour?) whereas the saints can pray for you without ceasing.

Hope this helps.

 

[Randy_Carson]

HOW do you know if the saint that you’re praying to says “no”? Where in the Bible does it say that the saints say “yes, I’ll pray” or even IF they pray at all?

Because they are holy and their charity knows no bounds.

Why would you go to a saint when you can go directly to God, Himself, through Jesus?

Why is it always either or with non-Catholics? Why not do both?

Am I wrong if I decide to go to God and not through a saint?

Of course not.

But you’ll fall asleep (could you not watch with me one hour?) whereas the saints can pray for you without ceasing.

Hope this helps.

 

[Randy_Carson]

Not missing out at all. The Church’s “mission” on earth is to reconcile the earth to God. Jesus is the Way.
Once a person is saved and dies, one mission accomplished.
Next!
It’s like a “lifeboat”, if I may say.
Boat is sinking. The people working on the boat put the passengers on the lifeboats where they can be safe. Once a passenger is on the lifeboat, the “worker” can concentrate on the next passenger.
The people on earth are the passengers. It’s the Believer’s “job” to get them saved keep them that way. Once a saint dies, that “job” is done.

Would you like to see the communion of saints proved from scripture?

 

[captaincoog]

I am adding my two cents to an earlier statement made by mountainboy, when he said that he has the Holy Spirit to guide him to the right interpretation of the Bible.

Mountainboy, how do you know you have the Holy Spirit?

Did you read some of the Bible and then “get saved”, thus receiving the Holy Spirit? If so, how did you come to a right interpretation of the Bible in order to “get saved” - before you received the Spirit to guide you to a right interpretation of those salvation passages of the bible?

You didn’t listen to some pastor in a church explain it to you, did you? How do you know *they *had the Holy Spirit to guide them? How do you know?

For all you know, you might have received a deceiving spirit who appeared as an angel of light, thinking this was the Holy Spirit. This spirit may have lead you into believing doctrines of demons, could it have not? Their intellect is far superior to yours and mine. This is what demonic spirits do with the time they have left. It’s their job. They’re good at it.

If the Catholic Church is actually the true church founded by Christ, and no other, then a deceiving spirit would only be too happy to make you think you have the truth, twisting the scriptures to your own destruction. Pride puffs up.

How are you so, so sure you are right? We all agree that the Bible is inerrant, but your interpretation can be wrong can’t it?

You must admit this as a possibility.

There are many opinions. Yours is one of them.

A little humility and self-examination might do you well.

 

[kujo313]

You want to get to heaven? Reach out your hand and bring someone with you.

The saints in heaven realize this, and continue in their efforts to bring more of us into the Body of Christ. THEY are the ones cheering when the lost sheep is found. THEY are the cloud of witnesses cheering us on.

Kujo, the way you describe it, it’s like they are saying, “Sorry, the boats full. You’re going to have to find your own!”. That’s not very “Bodily” would you say?

Unlike the Titanic, there’s ALWAYS enough lifeboats.

 

[kujo313]

Would you like to see the communion of saints proved from scripture?

Isn’t this a Catholic thread against just Scripture? Being Catholic, you’ll have to include a side of canons and traditions, too. (with a chocolate shake.)**

 

[Michael_Francis]

Having drifted off topic this thread is now closed.