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It’s called “diefic solipsism” and here is a very vague article on it. I don’t agree with most of it, but is interesting.williamsamuel.com/questions.html
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Oreoracle
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To answer your question (even though you haven’t addressed my request), you can’t be a solipsist if you believe in any consciousness that is separate from your own. Period. I heard “vanity” mentioned as though it could lead to this “deistic solipsism” you speak of. I hate to break it to you, but selfishness, however extreme, does not necessarily entail ignorance of or disbelief in all but the self. I think you’re just wanting to toy around with speculation, but the definition of solipsism is pretty clear-cut.
The reason I asked for your definition of “God” was because certain definitions could align with solipsism, but they aren’t the traditional ones. A creator god would create other consciousnesses, be conscious himself, and be separate from you, so you can’t possibly believe in such a god and still be a solipsist. But if by “God” you mean a being transcendent of all laws that permeates all realms of reality, then you would be God in the solipsist perspective. Also, you could be called the “first cause” and the “prime mover” because you would be the only cause and prime mover according to solipsism.
So can you believe in the Catholic god who is conscious and created other consciousnesses throughout the course of history and still hold to solipsism? No. I know that’s not an entertaining answer, but that’s just the case.
The reason I asked for your definition of “God” was because certain definitions could align with solipsism, but they aren’t the traditional ones. A creator god would create other consciousnesses, be conscious himself, and be separate from you, so you can’t possibly believe in such a god and still be a solipsist. But if by “God” you mean a being transcendent of all laws that permeates all realms of reality, then you would be God in the solipsist perspective. Also, you could be called the “first cause” and the “prime mover” because you would be the only cause and prime mover according to solipsism.
So can you believe in the Catholic god who is conscious and created other consciousnesses throughout the course of history and still hold to solipsism? No. I know that’s not an entertaining answer, but that’s just the case.
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That’s pretty linear and in the box, comforting as it may be for some. Speaking of movies, there is this movie called Jacobs Ladder. Jacob was in Vietnam and had an incident he cant recall. He lives out his life, but the world is off. He has strange experiences and see’s a chiropractor who gives him advice. The Dr. is actually St. Micheal, telling him he has to relax and let go of the world. His whole life was actually the hour of death and participants in this hour where demons and angels, some pulling him back to the worldly state while others pushing him along to eternity. He didn’t even know he was dead. Funny.
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Peggy_in_Burien
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That sounds interesting. I even like the sound of the word.There is a term I have invented for your benefit: solipsideism. I don’t think it requires explanation or has any adherents… Why bother to believe in a God who hasn’t created anything? It means a person doesn’t believe (s)he exists… unless (s)he is God!
BTW I am the poster who suggested the word “vanity”. Please don’t blame that idea on TOP.
Still thinking on this, though, TOP. Haven’t forgotten. However, unlike the ancient Greek philosophers, I haven’t any slaves or servants, and must keep up the cooking and cleaning while musing.
I think Patton thought he might pattern himself after Alexander the Great. However, he was a student of German General Rommel.
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Detales
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On reading all of the above posts it seems to me that a major source of misunderstanding in this attempt to understand stems from the lack of differentiation between Consciousness and awareness. The link referred to by TOP, the one about the former CS, predicate the Consciousness I AM as foundational. That is not the egoic or egotistic sense of personal selfish centerness. It is the overarching and all inclusive single Consciousness that is equatable to Being or God. Awareness is the localization of that Consciousness by means of identifying with limits, such as person. That misidentification constitutes the illusory feeling of discreet individuals in a world of polarities. The word “solipsism” is an attempt of thought description to define the indivisibility of Consciousness without accounting for the diversity of appearance of individuated awareness, which is where you “other” solipsist migh come in, lol! The word, TOP, that you may be looking for could be Advaita. It is one of many names for the perennial Understanding from which Christianity and other faiths devolved, or are the exoteric form of.
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Nah, thats not it. Ex. All my boys (3) are color blind. They see colors very different then me. Is the color objective, a part of what is really the subject or is it really in their eye. Does green look the same to you and me? We can relate it, but is it the same? Just dipping the bread.
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Peggy_in_Burien
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I think, scientifically, the color green is objective. I suppose there are gadgets nowdays to measure the refraction of light, and it should always measure the same no matter how many times it is measured on the same object (however, I suppose fading can occur after a while).
But, we see it subjectively, even if our eyesight is perfect. Working in the fabric retail business, I have often heard a customer describe a color with a name. When the person finally found it, it was different than I would have described it. I have always thought that no one could possibly see something just the same way as someone else would.
We probably hear music a little differently, too. And I know we taste things differently. I think it is just a proof of God’s existance, showing how uniquely He made us. The world would be such a boring place if we all saw colors and heard music just the same. How could we come up with such a variety of music, if we all heard things just the same. The man whose voice I think sounds like warmed honey when he sings, might to another, sound like nails raking over a chalkboard!
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