Some American Catholics really don’t like Pope Francis. Here’s why

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Tampa_Dave said:
Very well-written article. Thank you for posting it.
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But the author didn’t do her home work. On paragraph says:
They worry that Francis is loosening the church’s strict teachings on morality (he famously told a prominent Italian atheist that “everyone has his own idea of good and evil” and has said “who am I to judge” when asked about gay priests). They accuse him of deserting them on issues such as abortion and contraception (he has said he avoids those issues because the church has become too “obsessed” with them.)
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This information is not even close to accurate.
 
I find that Pope Francis challenges me, in a good way. When it is reported that he makes an incongrous remark, I find that *in context, *it makes sense.

I am puzzled by his appointments to the synod of the family, but sometimes things that puzzle me end up working out in a completely unexpected way, so I am not criticizing him for this. I trust the Holy Spirit will take care of everything 🙂
 
Blame the media; they seem to try making up up the news rather than reporting it.
 
The ultra traditionalists don’t acknowledge that the flaws they are tempted to like legalism and fundamentalism, are just as corrosive to the faith as the flaws that the liberals are tempted to. They mistake the outward practices and rigour as the indicator of true orthodoxy but as Jesus went to great pains to point out, the Pharisees and others who did such things could be masking a cancer of faith too.

Pope Francis provides a great opportunity to be challenged from the inside. Hopefully he won’t end up crucified for it.
 
DaddyGirl said:
The quote “everyone has his own idea…” is accurate, and he did say it to a prominent Atheist.
And the quote “Who am I to judge” is accurate, and he did say it in response to a question about gay priests.
He did use the word “obsessed” when he spoke about the church putting too much emphasis on those issues…

Which part is “not close to accurate”?

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In context he was referring to gay lobby in Vatican. Gay person vs gay lobby.

ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/pope-homosexuals-who-am-i-judge

Second , the “atheist” phrase . Scalfari s wording.

catholicherald.co.uk/news/2014/07/14/fr-lombardi-words-in-scalfari-interview-cannot-be-attributed-to-the-pope/

m.ncregister.com/daily-news/scalfari-confesses-popes-words-in-interview-may-not-have-been-his-own/#.Vf_Se72wLfo

And maybe you could provide the last one in context.
To like or dislike somebody is personal really ,but to quote a Pope or any person fairly helps us all.
 
DaddyGirl said:
The quote “everyone has his own idea…” is accurate, and he did say it to a prominent Atheist.
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Not according to the evidence. If I remember correctly, the author of that quote did not get it from a recording or a transcript of Pope Francis’ words, but from memory, and I believe the Vatican said his quotes were not reliable.
And the quote “Who am I to judge” is accurate, and he did say it in response to a question about gay priests.
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First it is inaccurate because it suggests that some American Catholics got mad about that. I don’t think that’s true except in the sense that you could say “some Americans” about anything – some are flat earthers, for example, but they are not representative of the demographic discussed in the article. A similarly few number got mad about that statement by the pope, and it’s misleading to highlight that number as representative of conservative Americans.
He did use the word “obsessed” when he spoke about the church putting too much emphasis on those issues…Which part is “not close to accurate”?
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It is inaccurate because it says he called the Church “obsessed” with abortion and contraception, and he did not. He said we must not Become obsessed, which is quite different. “We must not become Protestants” does not equal “We are Protestants,” and “We must not become obsessed” does not equal “We are obsessed.”
 
ServusHumilis said:
Blame the media; they seem to try making up up the news rather than reporting it.
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That’s because it fits their agenda. It has worked very well in convincing the public that same sex marriage and abortion are good things. It is no surprise that the popes messages are reported in a manner that twists what he really said.
 
DaddyGirl said:
The quote “everyone has his own idea…” is accurate, and he did say it to a prominent Atheist.
And the quote “Who am I to judge” is accurate, and he did say it in response to a question about gay priests.
He did use the word “obsessed” when he spoke about the church putting too much emphasis on those issues…

Which part is “not close to accurate”?

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I doubt that the Pope said the Church is obsessed…more likely the media spin wanted to portray it that way. The obsession is the world’s, not the Catholic Church’s .
Who is anyone, including the pope, to judge the ultimate eternal outcome for those who persist in any type of sin. Repentance is always an option for any human person up to the time when they meet Our Lord. No Pope since the very first one, St. Peter,is in the business of judging souls, that is left up to God Almighty. People who do not have faith cannot even understand what this Pope or any other pope is or has communicated.
A priest is a priest forever. The media do their best to tear down the Church/ the Body of Christ through whatever means possible. Since our Church is full of sinners, just like the rest of the world, they can always hold someone up to ridicule. The devil is working harder than ever to tear down our faith, but we, the Church Militant stand firmly upholding Christ’s teachings. Pope Francis is a man, and at this time he is the successor of Peter and we pray for him.
 
Used2beSherryG said:
I doubt that the Pope said the Church is obsessed…more likely the media spin wanted to portray it that way. The obsession is the world’s, not the Catholic Church’s .
Who is anyone, including the pope, to judge the ultimate eternal outcome for those who persist in any type of sin. Repentance is always an option for any human person up to the time when they meet Our Lord. No Pope since the very first one, St. Peter,is in the business of judging souls, that is left up to God Almighty. People who do not have faith cannot even understand what this Pope or any other pope is or has communicated.
A priest is a priest forever. The media do their best to tear down the Church/ the Body of Christ through whatever means possible. Since our Church is full of sinners, just like the rest of the world, they can always hold someone up to ridicule. The devil is working harder than ever to tear down our faith, but we, the Church Militant stand firmly upholding Christ’s teachings. Pope Francis is a man, and at this time he is the successor of Peter and we pray for him.
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Agree!Well said.👍
 
Used2beSherryG said:
I doubt that the Pope said the Church is obsessed…more likely the media spin wanted to portray it that way. The obsession is the world’s, not the Catholic Church’s .
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True. Here is the exact text of his interview with America magazine…

*“We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.” *​
 
The AGW alarmists is clearly being used as a classic socialist style redistribution of wealth. It is guised under this “concern for the environment.”

It ought to alarm everyone that is in any way devout that THIS POPE has sought the advice of person who is a professed atheist.

Hans Schellnhuber, a professed atheist, is founding director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany.

http://www.investors.com/image/h22ans_345.jpg.cms

The Pope’s rhetoric has clearly been left leaning and socialist. He clearly believes in it. I have not seen him at criticize those totalitarian governments. Governments whose treatment and violations of human rights are so disgusting that it really does not need to be stated. We all know it.

This global warming industry (btw the world leaders no longer call it that. It is climate change) has become a 1.5 TRILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY. It is clearly being used as a type of trojan horse to take advantage of the gullible and naive. It is absolutely being used to redistribute wealth.

Anyone here remember Pope John Paul II? His stances against the totalitarian regimes? It is rather hard for me to not consider that the Church leaders are seeing the big decline in parishioners and that means decline in revenue. Let us not kid ourselves that that is no factor.

Combine that with the massive banking scams and for the first time in many centuries there are TWO POPES.

Can someone please help me cause I am in a huge spiritual crisis. Where am I going wrong?
 
There are NOT 2 Popes.
Pope Francis is the Pope, Benedict the XVI is retired and Pope Francis speaks with him daily. Calm down. :rolleyes:
 
CatholicKnight3 said:
Can someone please help me cause I am in a huge spiritual crisis. Where am I going wrong?
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You’ve got to start by recognising that conservatism has propaganda as well and that the excesses of rabid capitalism cause disadvantage and poverty. I’m astonished to see people deny that there is anything wrong with Western capitalism and I’m right leaning myself. Pope Francis is canny/astute/discerning and absolutely right.
 
CatholicKnight3 said:
The Pope’s rhetoric has clearly been left leaning and socialist. He clearly believes in it. I have not seen him at criticize those totalitarian governments.
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The pope’s encyclical Laudato Si rejects the following socialist ideas: atheism, materialism, relativism, and centralization. Instead of socialism, the pope’s social encyclical praises an economic ethic that mirrors what Pope Leo 13 proposed over a hundred years ago: a market centered on small property owners and the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity.

Can you give one example of left-leaning rhetoric by this pope? Because I think he is very conservative:

Pope Francis Is No Liberal: 24 Examples
historyandapologetics.com/2015/02/pope-francis-is-no-liberal-24-examples.html

“Business is a noble vocation, directed to producing wealth and improving our world. It can be a fruitful source of prosperity for the areas in which it operates, especially if it sees the creation of jobs as an essential part of its service to the common good.” - Pope Francis, Laudato Si 129
 
CatholicKnight3 said:
Can someone please help me cause I am in a huge spiritual crisis. Where am I going wrong?
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You are questioning the Pope and not giving complete and serene faith in the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

All of our Popes for the last 150 years at least have been exceedingly holy men.
 
pianistclare said:
There are NOT 2 Popes.
Pope Francis is the Pope, Benedict the XVI is retired and Pope Francis speaks with him daily. Calm down. :rolleyes:
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Ok, I am sorry. One is retired. From what I understand, once a Pope always a Pope, whether he is retired or not.

I could be wrong, but the situation had not happened for many many CENTURIES. Not years. Not decades. CENTURIES.

That was not really the most important part of what I wrote. I guess to some that may be the only thing that I mentioned matters. However, when I mention the fact that THIS POPE is taking advice from an admitted atheist and he uses the advice from that person to make encyclicals to us, it is not alarming?

Especially considering the socialist rhetoric, which is all about redistribution of wealth? The propaganda that the free market system is so evil? Well I can name a lot of things the free market has given to humanity. I mentioned in another thread that the big luxury airline the Pope flies around in for example. I wonder what the carbon footprint is with that.

Can you name all of the things that communism (which is pure socialism) that has given humanity that benefits us? Name 10 things.

Why is THIS POPE always pointing out the evils of capitalism and hardly says anything about the evils of totalitarian regimes. Like how Cuba has treated their citizens for 60 years for example.

Instead he criticized America and the trade embargo due to those human violations? He criticized America? Not one word about the violations of Cuba?

Then the AGW redistribution scam that is guised under this “concern” for the environment? Wonder why the world leaders made a concerted effort to change the term from GLOBAL WARMING to something more AMBIGUOUS and involves ALL weather conditions in CLIMATE CHANGE?

Does any of that have anything to do with the fact that it has grown to be a 1.5 TRILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY? I am sure it nothing to do with that. Of course not.

Anyone still focused on my claim that there are TWO POPES? FIne, there is one POPE and the other is retired.

Glad I can fix that crucial issue.

It is unreal what is happening. Really is
 
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