Some Muslims Beat Pastor After Attending Church

[inJESUS]

ReflectHim:

inJESUS:

no, no more than he told the muslims to do what they did.

but we can all make outrageous claims. but just what the muslims did, so can christians, and make claims that God told me to do it. isn’t that what Andrea Yates did, ooo and she was a Christian too.

the difference is that God did NOT tell us to do this…clear from the Bible; if someone “claims” that God told him, then he is a liar coz no such “claims” are in the Bible…so if a christian kills and says : God told me, we will all say he is a liar; but if a muslim kills, then he can find many excuses from his book.

 

[Han_Ji_Hye]

Faith101:

No, i dont get it.

You made an accusation, now prove that it is true.

No you dont get it? lol… stop playying taqiyya will ya

I’m sure, to live in a secular country, you use your logic and I know that you do get what I mean
Prove? look at your koran and you will see the proof. Many posters here quoted violent verses already from the koran.

 

[ReflectHim]

inJESUS:

ReflectHim:

the difference is that God did NOT tell us to do this…clear from the Bible; if someone “claims” that God told him, then he is a liar coz no such “claims” are in the Bible…so if a christian kills and says : God told me, we will all say he is a liar; but if a muslim kills, then he can find many excuses from his book.

such as? [in reference to their scripture]

and some people can use an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth literally also.

so what is the difference?

 

[inJESUS]

such as? [in reference to their scripture]

i just posted some…a reward in heaven for killing means nothing to you? does it paralel Jesus’ teachings anyway?

and some people can use an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth literally also.

so what is the difference?

you dont get it do you? people can do whatever they want; but if they want to label themselves Christians, then they have to LIVE IT; if they dont, then they are christians by name and the eye for an eye cannot be done by true Christians; it is done by muslims coz it is in their quran…

i saw in your profile : Christian you your answers seem strange to me (no offence)

 

[inJESUS]

btw, you mean that christians apply the eye for eye law based on Jesus’ teachings? since when? did Jesus condone it??

 

[ReflectHim]

inJESUS:

i just posted some…a reward in heaven for killing means nothing to you? does it paralel Jesus’ teachings anyway?

you dont get it do you? people can do whatever they want; but if they want to label themselves Christians, then they have to LIVE IT; if they dont, then they are christians by name and the eye for an eye cannot be done by true Christians; it is done by muslims coz it is in their quran…

i saw in your profile : Christian you your answers seem strange to me (no offence)

no point in arguing with someone who is inimical toward the conversation. are you referring to me ask to my answers are strange? if i answered what was asked then how are they strange? maybe it should say Christianity instead of Christian since it did ask what relgion. but if you are not referring to me than disregard what I said.

 

[inJESUS]

no point in arguing with someone who is inimical toward the conversation.

i am not animical. i’ll sum up my points and just end this conversation if you dont mind :

Jesus did not teach us neither to kill, nor have slaves, nor marry more than one, ecc ecc…if people do it, it is neither Jesus’ nor the Bible’s mistake…people are sinful …Jesus and the Bible stand clean.So when a “christian” commits a crime for example, it is neither Jesus nor the Bible’s fault, but the person’s.

 

[Faith101]

this is not described to us by God…to us, fighting is a sin, even if it were defensive…(but we will have to choose between fighting back or being killed) coz war is caused by sin not by God

fighting is a sin? really, how about the fighting that God Himself commanded in the Bible? Was God forcing people to sin?

 

[inJESUS]

Faith101:

fighting is a sin? really, how about the fighting that God Himself commanded in the Bible? Was God forcing people to sin?

you are talking about the OT; we interpret it thru Jesus’ message.

 

[ReflectHim]

inJESUS:

i am not animical. i’ll sum up my points and just end this conversation if you dont mind :

Jesus did not teach us neither to kill, nor have slaves, nor marry more than one, ecc ecc…if people do it, it is neither Jesus’ nor the Bible’s mistake…people are sinful …Jesus and the Bible stand clean.So when a “christian” commits a crime for example, it is neither Jesus nor the Bible’s fault, but the person’s.

first off the word is inimical which means hostile or unfriendly. thank you. please don’t patronize me.

but its fine sum it up. and this can be concluded. both parties leaving as they came.

 

[Ortho]

Did the Crusaders have some assurance from the Church that they would go to heaven if they were killed in battle?

 

[Tristan_daCunha]

inJESUS:

if they want to label themselves Christians, then they have to LIVE IT; if they dont, then they are christians by name and the eye for an eye cannot be done by true Christians

I get a little uneasy when people talk about someone being a “true” Christian or “true” Catholic. Usually it simply means that the individual agrees with the viewpoint of the person writing.

But certainly there are a large number of self-identified Christians in the U.S. who invoke the “eye for an eye” standard, especially regarding capital punishment. And very often these persons tend to be more traditional in their religous observance.

 

[Tristan_daCunha]

Ortho:

Did the Crusaders have some assurance from the Church that they would go to heaven if they were killed in battle?

Well, apparently… yes.

Echoing Urban II, the pope promised salvation through violence: He would “acquit before God all the sins of those who would bear the sign of the cross to go recover the Promised Land, provided that they had confessed and were truly penitent,” wrote contemporary chronicler William of Tyre.

The best example is the First Crusade, called by Pope Urban II. Eager to unite warring Christians, on Nov. 27, 1095, he spoke to a massive crowd gathered near Clermont in France. Describing the cruelties inflicted by Muslims on Christian pilgrims trying to visit Jerusalem and the defeats suffered by the Byzantine Christians, he called on all of Western Christendom to rescue their Eastern brethren. “They should leave off slaying each other and fight instead a righteous war, doing the work of God, and God would lead them. For those that died in battle there would be absolution and the remission of sins,” Runciman writes.

andrewcurry.com/portfolio/TheFirstHolyWar.html

 

[Faith101]

inJESUS:

you are talking about the OT; we interpret it thru Jesus’ message.

So are you saying that fighting, under any circumstance, is a sin?

 

[Han_Ji_Hye]

Faith101:

So are you saying that fighting, under any circumstance, is a sin?

Yes. Especially killing unbelievers in the name of god.

 

[MugenOne]

Tell us, who are oppressing you guys? Are you talking about the great white devil aka American? Give us some names and samples.

Faith101:

Yes, when we are oppressed and driven out of our land, we fight…we kill, and we may die. We do not transgress, as Allah does not love the transgressors.

What does this have to do with the accusation?

According to who? These teachings are in line with what Allah has taught us from the time of Abraham.

If anyone lets people expell them from their land, oppress them, and murder them…and they just sit there watching… they would be extinct.

War is not the state that we would like to be in, but sometimes we have to stand our ground and fight.

“Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you”

 

[George_Waters]

gurrato alaien said in another post that Islam teaches the sancity of life of all Muslims. I asked about this to insure that this is indeed what Islam teaches, that all Muslim life is sacred. What about non-Muslims? Are their lives sacred as well? I have not heard back yet, (in all fairness I only posted my query less than an hour ago) but if anyone would like to answer these questions on this thread I would appreciate it.

Faith101, I was surprised by your statement that if someone says they are a Christian than you take their word for it (especially one who has committed a criminal act as in the example being used), yet you reject the claim by some who claim to be Muslim due to their criminal actions.

 

[Faith101]

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Faith101, I was surprised by your statement that if someone says they are a Christian than you take their word for it (especially one who has committed a criminal act as in the example being used), yet you reject the claim by some who claim to be Muslim due to their criminal actions.

Peace George

I dont believe i ever said that…but if i did, i never meant it the way you understood it.

A muslim who says they are a Muslim, is a Muslim. What i keep saying is that a Muslim who does not live by Islam shouldnt be made the representative of my religion. Same thing goes for Christianity and Christians. The idea is, some people on this forum, post crimes done by Muslims and say "yeah…thats a peaceful religion " and other nonsense…but when the same is done to them, they dont accept it.

 

[Faith101]

Yes. Especially killing unbelievers in the name of god.

So if i post verses from the Bible where God commanded the fighting and killing of others…you would say that God commanded them to sin?

 

[Faith101]

please give examples of righteous deeds, weve seen a few in the news.

When is the last time you’ve seen good news in the news? How can you judge an entire religion based on what your media tells you?

And before you say those were not rightous then answer why those deeds were not spoken out about and condemmed as not righteous so we would be clear on the matter.

they were spoken out against, by sooo many people. A poster once posted many links of Muslim organizations here in America and abroad that denounced these actions.

And one last thing Jesus bowed to Muhammad, what? where did that happen, seems to me that at the Name of Christ every knee would bow.

Jesus wouldnt bow down to Mohamed. Mohamed is just a man, he ate, he got tired, he felt sad. Why would anyone bow to a human being?

Jesus prostrated to Allah, as Mohamed prostrated to Allah.