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Originally Posted by inkaneer
Yet, through all the sinfulness one thing stands out. Not one of these guys ever taught error while they were pope. Protestant theologians have poured over every one of these popes trying to find just one instance where a pope taught doctrinal error. They could find none.
A LINK? Apparently you think protestants would publish the fact that they found the Catholic Church to be speaking the truth. Highly doubtful to say the least.
No, i meant a link, where it is shown or at least made plausible, that protestants actually searched through church doctrine to disprove papal infabillity and came up empty. Because i suspect that few protestants would actually been inclined to study closely what the church teaches, because they think it to be at least illegitimate if not worse. Furthermore if you dislike something you are more likely to see error where none is and as for disproving infallibility one error would be enough, you are inclined to stop then. So searching through entire doctrine does not seem likely.
Either they do not check at all or likely stop at only at a perceived error.
But look at what they have alleged and it is clear they have done some investigation because the “examples” they do give are so lacking in relevance as to be borderline ludicrous. For example take their most quoted example, that of Galileo and the theory of heliocentricity. Supposedly Galileo was convicted by the Inquisition because he taught something that was contrary to what the pope taught. The real truth is that Galileo taught something as a scientific truth that he could not prove scientifically was truth. Galileo got into trouble because when confronted with scripture that seemingly contradicted him Galileo said scripture was in error. That is what got Galileo in deep doo doo with the church and would have done so with any protestant denomination as well. Imagine telling a protestant that the scriptures that protestants claim are inerrant actually are wrong. In actuality the church had no doctrinal position on the matter and to this day still doesn’t. But this is the allegation that is made, that Galileo contradicted the pope’s teaching and since we all know heliocentricity is scientific fact the pope’s doctrinal teaching was in error.
Helicentricity is wrong, sun is not center of universe. Might even be, that center of universe is a completly arbitrary term and any point, e.g. the center of earth, can be regarded to be center of universe.
The real funny thing is that people think the church is anti-science because it requires undeniable evidence (=lots and lots and lots of evidence, because no undeniable evidence exists) before it gives up a long held position. Don’t understand what the problem is, i am from science and the last thing we worry about are people asking for lots of evidence, as long as someone pays for the additional research necessary.
Whats the point?
Asking science for evidence?
Somehow ridicolous problem.
Only that thing about stakes is bad, but church stopped that long ago (longer ago than protestants), so everything fine now.
There are a lot of people and groups, who do not care about evidence so church is realy at most a small problem for science.
