Some Respectfull Questions for Muslims

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The name given by Muhammad to women slaves is called right hand possessions. In Islam, a women “possessed” is not a wife…you can have sex with her or sell her but she is not a wife. Muhammad had too many concubines and there are incidents where he chose the prittiest ones to have sex with, and if someone of his followers picked a woman he wanted, he’ll take her. Abraham has nothing to do with Muhammad since Abraham wasn’t picking women he just killed their husbands. It was Sarah who asked him to sleep with her maid to have children she would call her own and after the Mosaic law, women slaves were to become either legitimite wives or freed…there is nothing called women possessions to have sex with, nor to sell. If you sleep with a slave woman and then sell her to another man who will sleep with her and sell her, this is called prostitution. muslim men can have up to 4 wives in addition to an unlimited number of possessions …since these women are not wives, they are simply sex slaves. Hadith even says Muhammad used to have sex with 11 women in a single day. Add to it him marrying his adopted son’s wife. Add to it allowing temporary sex still practiced by the Shia. We do not assess him based on a single deed, but on the whole picture. Sex slaves, temporary marriages, marrying his adopted son’s wife, having sex with 11 women on a single day are enough to cast doubt about the morality of this man who claims to do everything according to God via Gabriel, especially in light of Jesus’ teachings and life. Since we believe that God’s revelations are progressive, leading His people step by step until fulfillment of His original plan, we cannot but wonder about Muhammad’s claims and character.
As far as the chracter of Muhammed is concerned, there’s nothing to wonder about. He violently executed hundreds of unarmed men and boys; raped his slaves and married a six year old who he had sex with at age 9. Other than that he was a great guy.
 
As far as the chracter of Muhammed is concerned, there’s nothing to wonder about. He violently executed hundreds of unarmed men and boys; raped his slaves and married a six year old who he had sex with at age 9. Other than that he was a great guy.
when it comes to violence, surely the answers depend on who is seen as “innocent” in Islam as long as the ones killed by Muhammad are not seen as “innocent”, whatever the definition is in Islam. So you will see Muslims saying “they attacked Muhammad”, or they mocked Muhammad, or they caused trouble for Muhammad so he had to retaliate. Now if we look at the violence caused by Muhammad;s successors in the conquest wars, of course we see a totally different picture, but if it is in the cause of spreading Islam, then they’ll see it is good. In other words, relativism.

But when it comes to his concubines and marriage of adopted son’s wife and allowing temporary marriages and sleeping with eleven women in a single day, things are clear to us, unless morality is relative.
 
when it comes to violence, surely the answers depend on who is seen as “innocent” in Islam as long as the ones killed by Muhammad are not seen as “innocent”, whatever the definition is in Islam. So you will see Muslims saying “they attacked Muhammad”, or they mocked Muhammad, or they caused trouble for Muhammad so he had to retaliate. Now if we look at the violence caused by Muhammad;s successors in the conquest wars, of course we see a totally different picture, but if it is in the cause of spreading Islam, then they’ll see it is good. In other words, relativism.

But when it comes to his concubines and marriage of adopted son’s wife and allowing temporary marriages and sleeping with eleven women in a single day, things are clear to us, unless morality is relative.
There were many situations where he used violence in situations where it was totally avoidable and frequently in sitations where he was the aggressor. In much the same manor that muslims will defend his indefensible violent behavior, they will also defnd his sextual behavior. To the Muslim, no amount of evidence will ever be sufficient to prove to them the truth about Muhammed. They worship the man and he is to them the very defintion of morality. If he had carnal knowledge of a goat, sex with goats would be permissible within Islam (to set the record strait he did not have sex with a goat; however he did sleep with his uncle for years… a little weird and possibly explains a lot). He could do no wrong, since to them he defines right and wrong. His having done something means that it was good. He didn’t act moral, he defined it at least to his followers.
 
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…Muhammad had too many concubines
Solomon (p) had 300 concubines . Why u think Jesus (p) allowed it for him ?

Why people wanted to say that Muhammed (p) was crazy for women ? He could have them easily as pagans wanted to stop his preaching about oneness of God .They offered him money , power , women …anything he wanted .

His uncle went to him with this proposal & Prophet answered : O my uncle, if they placed the sun in my right hand and the moon in my left hand to cause me to renounce my task, verily I would not desist therefrom until Allah made manifest His cause or I perished in the attempt."

He only did that was allowed for him . War , slavery , concubines …he did not introduce anything. Jesus (p) allowed all these …if u don’t believe me , read your Bible.
after the Mosaic law, women slaves were to become either legitimite wives or freed…
pl. post the related verse .
If you sleep with a slave woman and then sell her to another man who will sleep with her and sell her, this is called prostitution
If I am not mistaken , Bible allows father to sell their daughters as slaves . If her new Master does not like her , his son is allowed to have her. Correct me if I am wrong.
. muslim men can have up to 4 wives in addition to an unlimited number of possessions …
this has been answered more than once. Islam did not introduce polygamy , instead fixed a maximum number of wives with condition . Jesus (p) allowed polygamy without fixing mamimum numbers & Abraham , Moses , David , Solomon ( pbut) had more than one wife upto 700.
Muhammad used to have sex with 11 women in a single day.
Hadith also say either David or Solomon (pbut ) went to All his wives ( minimum 100 ) at one night . Muslims don’t make fun or use any nasty word against that Prophet because of it . God did not fix any maximum limit for any husband about how many times he can go to his wives in a single night or day.
Add to it him marrying his adopted son’s wife.
lol , Bible tells u Prophet Lot (p) slept with own daughters. Zaid (p) was a slave , Zainab (p) was cousin of Prophet Muhammed (p) . Marrying cousin is allowed in Islam.

oh , it’s so tiring to read your whole post , same allegations again & again & again :mad:
 
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today’s western morality say it’s ok for a man to enjoy many relationships before marriage & there is no problem in having love childs. The same morality says it’s unethical to have more than one wife.
Which is non-Christian morality. Christian morality says it is wrong and sinful to have more than one wife. Sorry if it is different than what Mohammad taught and showed you. 😃

Hope that helps. 🙂
 
Jesus (p) allowed polygamy without fixing mamimum numbers & Abraham , Moses , David , Solomon ( pbut) had more than one wife upto 700.
Well, this is obviuosly a lie. If you tell lies, it will make you a liar. So watch it Muslim, before you get carried away with your tit for tat.
 
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today’s western morality say it’s ok for a man to enjoy many relationships before marriage & there is no problem in having love childs. The same morality says it’s unethical to have more than one wife.
You got that wrong! Its not ok for men to have many relationships and have a love child. People may do this, but its not condoned by the Catholic Church. A man and woman are not allowed to have sexual relations BEFORE they marry, and if they do, they have to marry each other. So, the way ‘some’ people in the west may live may not be in accordance with the teaching of the church, but it doesnt mean everyone in the west does this.
 
Well, this is obviuosly a lie. If you tell lies, it will make you a liar. So watch it Muslim, before you get carried away with your tit for tat.
What part of that was a lie? Surely you know Solomon has several hundred wives.
 
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Solomon (p) had 300 concubines . Why u think Jesus (p) allowed it for him ?

Why people wanted to say that Muhammed (p) was crazy for women ? He could have them easily as pagans wanted to stop his preaching about oneness of God .They offered him money , power , women …anything he wanted .

His uncle went to him with this proposal & Prophet answered : O my uncle, if they placed the sun in my right hand and the moon in my left hand to cause me to renounce my task, verily I would not desist therefrom until Allah made manifest His cause or I perished in the attempt."

He only did that was allowed for him . War , slavery , concubines …he did not introduce anything. Jesus (p) allowed all these …if u don’t believe me , read your Bible.

pl. post the related verse .

If I am not mistaken , Bible allows father to sell their daughters as slaves . If her new Master does not like her , his son is allowed to have her. Correct me if I am wrong.

this has been answered more than once. Islam did not introduce polygamy , instead fixed a maximum number of wives with condition . Jesus (p) allowed polygamy without fixing mamimum numbers & Abraham , Moses , David , Solomon ( pbut) had more than one wife upto 700.

Hadith also say either David or Solomon (pbut ) went to All his wives ( minimum 100 ) at one night . Muslims don’t make fun or use any nasty word against that Prophet because of it . God did not fix any maximum limit for any husband about how many times he can go to his wives in a single night or day.

lol , Bible tells u Prophet Lot (p) slept with own daughters. Zaid (p) was a slave , Zainab (p) was cousin of Prophet Muhammed (p) . Marrying cousin is allowed in Islam.

oh , it’s so tiring to read your whole post , same allegations again & again & again :mad:
Your defense of Islam seems to be, “but your people are evil too”.
 
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this has been answered more than once. Islam did not introduce polygamy , instead fixed a maximum number of wives with condition . Jesus (p) allowed polygamy without fixing mamimum numbers & Abraham , Moses , David , Solomon ( pbut) had more than one wife upto 700.

Hadith also say either David or Solomon (pbut ) went to All his wives ( minimum 100 ) at one night . Muslims don’t make fun or use any nasty word against that Prophet because of it . God did not fix any maximum limit for any husband about how many times he can go to his wives in a single night or day.

lol , Bible tells u Prophet Lot (p) slept with own daughters. Zaid (p) was a slave , Zainab (p) was cousin of Prophet Muhammed (p) . Marrying cousin is allowed in Islam.

oh , it’s so tiring to read your whole post , same allegations again & again & again :mad:
Wow, so in defense of Muhammed you admit that he raped slaves and slept with his cousin…well played. By the way, we get it, many Ole T big wigs acted extreamly immoral as well.
 
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…you admit that he raped slaves and slept with his cousin…
lol . where i said he raped anyone ? Jesus (p) taught slept with wife is a sin ?
 
Your defense of Islam seems to be, “but your people are evil too”.
they can’t compare teachings of the NT. They either attack people, or the OT, as if Jesus never came to this earth to explain, teach, and save or as if God’s revelations were never progressive. What about Abraham, they say? what About Moses? they sometimes fail to realize that Abraham and Moses did not have the same laws as well. To them, all eras and times and people shared the same sharia law…all mixed up.
 
What is the biblical teaching on polygamy? I do know that it was practiced in the Old Testament (solomon- 700 wives and 300 concubines). Is there anything about that in the New Testament or in Church documents?
 
So those are the things that come to mind. That was from memory so if I have made any factual errors I sincerely apologize and hope you will point them out. Furthermore I think that I would be remiss not to point out the virtues of Islam. While I believe he was not a morally sinless man I think any fair minded individuals would have to consider Muhammad one of the mot extraordinary individuals in written history. The Qur’an is certainly one of the great books of all time. Both from a literary standpoint and in virtue of it’s positive impact on mankind. I think the Islamic tradition has produced many of the most extraordinary individuals the world has seen. I recently ordered Al-Ghazali’s autobiography from Amazon and cannot help but be impressed by him. In fact strong circumstantial evidence has emerged that Al-Ghazali’s writings inspired Descartes’s “Discourse on Method”.

I guess my view on Islam could be surmised as follows. If you wish me to say that Muhammad was an extraordinary man whom I would be honored to meat and speak with, and that the Qur’an is an amazing books, one of the all time greats, and that the Islamic tradition has many amazing facets to it I would have no problem making such an admission. To say however that Muhammad was a morally inerrant man, that the Qur’an is the infallible world of God, and that Islam is the religion given to us by God seems to me to be going beyond, and indeed in confrontation with, the facts and demonstrable truth.

I have tried to be as fair as possible in these points and I hope they can be the start of a more respectful dialogue.
Hello,

First , i would like to commend you on your great post and charity. muslims have not heared such an attempt to write a balanced post on islam for ages on this forum. I´May God rewards you for your strive for fairness.
 
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