Some Respectfull Questions for Muslims

  • Thread starter Thread starter neploho
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
On the Day of Judgment, would the creations still have free will when they stand before their Creator?

If your answer is ‘No’, then Who is it that will be sending many of them to the Hell-fire?

I cannot even imagine anyone who is still having a free will to willingly send himself to the Fire, especially when he or she starts to feel the unimaginably intense heat and sees Hell up close for the first time.

Nay… common sense tells me that only the Greatest Terrorist there is would be the One who will send countless billions of His creations to a place as unimaginably horrifying as Hell.
Once it is time to be judged, you are too late.

God is going to judge us. A judge does sentance, but the guilty commit the crime. It is the commission of the crime that erns the penalty. There is a saying in America: if you cannot do the time, do not commit the crime. Sin is the same way. If you fear hell, do not sin and ask forgiveness when you do and you will not end up there.

I do not understand why this is so hard to grasp.
 
(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

Salaam/ Peace
… One must know the logical reasons behind His actions…
Yes , I agree ; while readng OT we must keep in mind about the context . May I request all non-Muslims to read the Quranic verses on war , polygamy with this understanding , too ?
 
(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

Salaam/ Peace
Actually God did not allowed polygamy.
then why there is rules on how to treat wives , son of which wife will get the right of firstborn etc?
 
http://theislampath.com/smf/Smileys/default/salam.gif

Salaam/ Peace

Yes , I agree ; while readng OT we must keep in mind about the context . May I request all non-Muslims to read the Quranic verses on war , polygamy with this understanding , too ?
Thanks, unfortunately the problem is, Islam is at war and always at war towards the West. When an islamic state, say Afghanistan, was invaded, the whole army of islam declares war against the ‘oppressor’ as well. Making the Islamic extremist doctrines appealing to even to the moderate muslim.

Now can we equate that the whole context of extremism is justifiable because the quranic verse on war still stand, specifically against the kuffars?

Compare that to all the ‘violent acts’ written in the OT. Can you point any Godly Jew or Christian who practice such ‘violent acts’ right now?
 
http://theislampath.com/smf/Smileys/default/salam.gif

Salaam/ Peace

then why there is rules on how to treat wives , son of which wife will get the right of firstborn etc?
I think you are pertaining to the instruction given by Moses in Deuteronomy towards the Jewish people. Deuteronomy is not a book of laws but a book of instructions (Heb: torah) in how to live orderly lives DURING those disorderly times for the Israelites.

The orders are not presented in legal format, but are cast in the style of a sermon, interwoven with pleas and exhortations to obedience for the fledgling nation of Israel. These are made to regulate them religiously, governmentally and domestically.

So I think there are cultural issues that one must understand, to have the proper perspectives on these guidelines. Again one must know the context why Moses gave such instructions before drawing conclusions.
 
Nay… common sense tells me that only the Greatest Terrorist there is would be the One who will send countless billions of His creations to a place as unimaginably horrifying as Hell.
As ralphinal mentioned,“Once it is time to be judged, you are too late”. Christians do not consider God to be a ‘Great Terrorist’, since this contradicts God’s love and mercy. God can bring wrath but only when people as a society have disobeyed and abondoned Him completely. God’s love is the same as how our eartly parents love us. Would you call your parent a ‘Great Terrorist’? Unless of course your parents abused you when you were growing up. Is that why Muslims view God as a ‘Great Terrorist’ because He has brought on too many wraths upon them?
 
(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

Salaam/ Peace
… When an islamic state, say Afghanistan, was invaded, the whole army of islam declares war …

Don’t know what is army of Islam but to catch one Laden , was it justified to drop bombs on thousands innocent civilians ? In that case , of course war is justifed against the attackers.

I am sure , if any Muslim majority country attacks US or UK to catch one criminal , u won’t support that. How many died in 9/11 tragedy ? Maximum 3 thousands. So far, millions died in Iraq & Afghan wars.
… Can you point any Godly Jew or Christian who practice such ‘violent acts’ right now?
 
As ralphinal mentioned,“Once it is time to be judged, you are too late”. Christians do not consider God to be a ‘Great Terrorist’, since this contradicts God’s love and mercy. God can bring wrath but only when people as a society have disobeyed and abondoned Him completely. God’s love is the same as how our eartly parents love us. Would you call your parent a ‘Great Terrorist’? Unless of course your parents abused you when you were growing up. Is that why Muslims view God as a ‘Great Terrorist’ because He has brought on too many wraths upon them?
Hi

I think it is only a misconception that Terrorists have anything to do with Quran/Islam/Muhammad. They derive no support from Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

In the words of **Second Coming **1835-1908 :

It is obvious that Islam has never advocated compulsion: if the Holy Quran, the books of Hadith and historical records are carefully examined and, as far as possible, studied or listened to thoughtfully, it will be realised with certainty that the charge that Islam wielded the sword to propagate the Faith with force is an utterly unfounded and shameful charge against Islam.

Such a charge against Islam is made by people who have not read the Quran, the Hadith and the reliable histories of Islam in a spirit of detachment, but have made free use of falsehood and have brought wrong charges against it.

I know, however, that the time is near when those who are hungry and thirsty for Truth will be enlightened as to what reality there is in these charges. Can we ever describe that Faith as a faith of compulsion, when the Holy Book, the Quran, clearly directs that there is no compulsion in religion, that it is not permissible to use compulsion in religion, that it is not permissible to use compulsion or force in getting anyone to join Islam? Can we accuse that great Prophet of using force against others, who, day and night for thirteen years, exhorted all his Companions in Mecca not to return evil for the evil of the enemy, but to forbear and forgive?

When, however, the mischief of the enemy went to extremes and when everybody started exerting himself for wiping out Islam, the Jealous God thought it fit that the people who had wielded the sword should be annihilated by the sword. Except for this the Holy Quran has not approved of compulsion.

If compulsion had been approved of by Islam, the Companions of our Holy Prophet (peace and the blessings of God be upon him), in moments of trial, would not have behaved like people of sincere and genuine faith. Yet, the loyalty and faithfulness of the Companions of our Master, the Holy Prophet (peace be on him), is a matter which I hardly need to mention.

It is no secret that among them are examples of loyalty and steadfastness the parallel of which it is difficult to find in the annals of other nations; this band of the faithful did not waver in their loyalty and steadfastness even under the shadow of the sword.

On the other hand, in the company of their Great and Holy Prophet, they gave proof of that steadfastness which no man is ever able to give unless his heart and his bosom are lit up with the light of true faith. There is, in short, no compulsion in Islam.

alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/intro.html

Thanks
 
Hi

I think it is only a misconception that Terrorists have anything to do with Quran/Islam/Muhammad. They derive no support from Quran/Islam/Muhammad.
This discussion has nothing to do with terrorism or how Muslims interpret Jihad. Its about Free Will - that God loves us unconditionally to allow us to make our own decisions that will affect our souls in the realm beyond.
 
Its about Free Will - that God loves us unconditionally to allow us to make our own decisions that will affect our souls in the realm beyond.
Hi

For free will; I and also Quran/Islam/Muhammad are with you.

The present free will which the West is enjoying has got nothing to do with Christianity/Paulism. It is a fruit of the secular movement in the world, correctly speaking.

Thanks to seculars.
 
http://theislampath.com/smf/Smileys/default/salam.gif

Salaam/ Peace

Don’t know what is army of Islam but to catch one Laden , was it justified to drop bombs on thousands innocent civilians ? In that case , of course war is justifed against the attackers.

I am sure , if any Muslim majority country attacks US or UK to catch one criminal , u won’t support that. How many died in 9/11 tragedy ? Maximum 3 thousands. So far, millions died in Iraq & Afghan wars.

If I tell u about Iraq & Afghan wars , Christians will say that western countries & Christianity are different. If I give example how Zionists are violating the eye for an eye law & love to kill hundreds while taking revenge of 1 killing , Jews ( also Christians ) will say Israel has the right of self defence etc.
Yes you answered everything for me. During the Afghan-Russian war, Muslim warriors from Middle East, Europe, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Africa, etc became the Islamic army that fight communist Russia. They still exist today. That same Mujahideen came back to their countries as leaders of muslim radicals or Islamic revolutionary group.

During the First Iraq war, Bin Laden asked the Saudis to let this same islamic army of Mujahideens to expel the Iraqis in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. But they turn it down. I think the Saudis know that it’s wrong to wage war with their own cohorts. It’s disapproved by the quran. So the Kuffar countries led by the US are now reaping the hate of moderate and radical muslim alike because they choose to be the peacemakers there. Even if Bin Laden disapproved of this, in the long run I think the agenda of spreading hate towards the West, because of the resent wars, is more imminent now more than ever. And uneducated, impulsive muslims can never tell the difference between a system of government and its religion. To them their destruction is their happiness.

I guessed Muslim woman, this will tell you that the quranic verses of war is still in place. And your cohorts will always use this to justify their extremism—making them the good muslims according to your book.
 
Hi

I think it is only a misconception that Terrorists have anything to do with Quran/Islam/Muhammad. They derive no support from Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

In the words of **Second Coming **1835-1908 :

It is obvious that Islam has never advocated compulsion: if the Holy Quran, the books of Hadith and historical records are carefully examined and, as far as possible, studied or listened to thoughtfully, it will be realised with certainty that the charge that Islam wielded the sword to propagate the Faith with force is an utterly unfounded and shameful charge against Islam.

Such a charge against Islam is made by people who have not read the Quran, the Hadith and the reliable histories of Islam in a spirit of detachment, but have made free use of falsehood and have brought wrong charges against it.

I know, however, that the time is near when those who are hungry and thirsty for Truth will be enlightened as to what reality there is in these charges. Can we ever describe that Faith as a faith of compulsion, when the Holy Book, the Quran, clearly directs that there is no compulsion in religion, that it is not permissible to use compulsion in religion, that it is not permissible to use compulsion or force in getting anyone to join Islam? Can we accuse that great Prophet of using force against others, who, day and night for thirteen years, exhorted all his Companions in Mecca not to return evil for the evil of the enemy, but to forbear and forgive?

When, however, the mischief of the enemy went to extremes and when everybody started exerting himself for wiping out Islam, the Jealous God thought it fit that the people who had wielded the sword should be annihilated by the sword. Except for this the Holy Quran has not approved of compulsion.

If compulsion had been approved of by Islam, the Companions of our Holy Prophet (peace and the blessings of God be upon him), in moments of trial, would not have behaved like people of sincere and genuine faith. Yet, the loyalty and faithfulness of the Companions of our Master, the Holy Prophet (peace be on him), is a matter which I hardly need to mention.

It is no secret that among them are examples of loyalty and steadfastness the parallel of which it is difficult to find in the annals of other nations; this band of the faithful did not waver in their loyalty and steadfastness even under the shadow of the sword.

On the other hand, in the company of their Great and Holy Prophet, they gave proof of that steadfastness which no man is ever able to give unless his heart and his bosom are lit up with the light of true faith. There is, in short, no compulsion in Islam.

alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/intro.html

Thanks
What not return evil for evil your saying, Muslim woman pointed out that muslims were never taught to give the other cheek around.

No Compulsion? Tell that to the Mumbai Muslim assassins who wielded guns and murdered Western Citizens, and Brahmins, but released Muslim Hostages.

Coincidence? Maybe you are sugar coating the messages of your quran for your own egotistic agenda.
 
Hello.

As there seem to be quite a few Muslim apologists here I thought I would ask a question… I do not intend these criticisms to be “gottcha’s” and I hope this does not turn into a “Bash Islam” thread.
Hi there. I might be making a huge mistake by answering you now, though the thread is already many pages long, and I haven’t read any post past this first one. But let me take a shot… if you don’t mind. 🙂
1-Jihad. Many Muslim intellectuals have said that there is not religious doctrine so misunderstood in the west as what Muslims mean by Jihad. I fully agree with them. … Many Muslims I have talked to say that Islam only condones defensive Jihad. I believe this is correct with respect to the Shia’ to a limited respect. Yet Sura 9:29 does seem to clearly advocate aggressive military expeditions… Any thoughts or illuminations on this subject would be appreciated.
I shortened it so I can respond in a single post. First of all Jihad is a broad concept, the word itself rooted in the meaning ‘to struggle.’ It can be a spiritual struggle–against one’s self, against Satan for instance–and it can also be a physical struggle. When physical, it can be defensive, or it can be offensive. There is such a thing as an offensive jihad. But I’m getting ahead of myself. Let’s look briefly at the history of Islam during the life of Muhammad:

During the first 13 years, he lived in Mecca, and though the Muslims were fiercely persecuted and tortured, they were not allowed to fight back. When they migrated to Medina, and Islam was established for ruling the city as well (ie., legal instead of just spiritual teachings), then the Muslims were first allowed to fight those who were fighting them. They were allowed to fight, but only a specific group who was already attacking them. Basically, they were now allowed to fight defensively. Later on, they were granted permission (or even commanded by God) to fight offensively. But the reason why they were told to fight is actually really important. As you probably know, Muslims aren’t allowed to force anyone to be a Muslim–that’s why jihad is misunderstood. What the Muslims could fight for was actually freedom of religion. If some state were not allowing people freedom of religion, if they weren’t allowing people to be Muslim or to learn Islam, then they were in a way oppressing them. So the Muslims were to fight them until the people were free of that oppression. And that is the only reason. As the Qur’an says, oppression is worse than slaughter.
2-The transmission of Hadith. I think there is reasonable evidence that the Qur’an we now have is more or less the Qur’an of Muhammad. As to the Hadith, however, I just don’t see how anyone could consider them realiable enough to be a “living Qur’an" …
There is a whole science to studying the transmission of Hadith, to determine what is authentic, what has been fabricated, and reports are given degrees of strength by the compilers. Many hadiths are known to be fabricated, or weak perhaps because of a weak narrator–someone who tended to report hadith without checking out the narrator for example. Some people are known for making things up. All the narrators are investigated, in the chain, as well as the text itself to ensure it doesn’t conflict with something else. Many of the hadith are also multiply transmitted, by so many people through so many chains it’s practically impossible for them to be false.
3-Factual errors. The Qur’an, as I recall, joins the Bible in claiming creation was an event that occurred over six days. It also says God made man out of a blood clot. It seems to suppose that the sun revolves around the earth etc.
Six periods of time is more accurate than six “days,” if you mean, by day, a 24-hr measure. The Qur’an doesn’t necessarily mean that. And when you see “clot,” it could mean a clump of clay, right? But not blood clot–when talking about blood, at least as far as I’m aware, it’s talking about a hanging sticky leech-like thing (sucks nourishment from it’s mother) and not actually a literal clot. The sun going around the earth interpretation of one passage does exist, though in small circles only. It’s not widely held, so that interpretation is considered faulty.
4-Free will. Does Islam say men and women have free will? Of course it seems that the Qur’an goes back and forth on this matter. …
I haven’t studied aqeedah with Ash’ari or Mu’tazilite schools, so I could be wrong here, but the way I was taught, there is no contradiction. Basically, when a person decides not to believe (using free will), then God responds by sealing his heart. That person wants to disbelieve, so God encourages them in that path, you could say. But if a person wants to believe, then God can guide them to Islam. Through free will they decided to believe, or try to believe, and so God opens their heart to guidance.
5-Concubines. Shabbir Akhtar has pointed out that the Qur’an does not initiate the practice of concubinage but simply regulates it and that consequently Muslims are free to disregard the whole ugly practice. While this is encouraging, and the Qur’an has many wonderful passages extolling the merits of freeing conscripted individuals, it still seems a moral failing that Muslims men may impose themselves upon those “their right hands possesses”.
I appreciate the fact that slavery has been abolished. The way I understand these verses is that it was a cultural practice not so much condoned by the Qur’an but regulated so it would eventually disappear. Yet, if it had been abolished at that time, the people might not have been able to handle the change. 🤷
 
What the Muslims could fight for was actually freedom of religion. If some state were not allowing people freedom of religion, if they weren’t allowing people to be Muslim or to learn Islam, then they were in a way oppressing them. So the Muslims were to fight them until the people were free of that oppression. And that is the only reason. As the Qur’an says, oppression is worse than slaughter.
 
inJESUS;4492848 said:
the futuhat. The offensive war conquests. Who was oppressing the Caliphs’s religion ?
But there is not taking of slaves for Muslims anymore. Not right now. It could come back I guess but I don’t see any reason why it would need to.
yes but i gave a link to a tv show, about slavery not being abolished in Islam and the persons speaking are from Al-Azhar. When you say it is abolished, is it your opinion?
 
The present free will which the West is enjoying has got nothing to do with Christianity/Paulism. It is a fruit of the secular movement in the world, correctly speaking.

Thanks to seculars.
Christians are not Paulists. You wouldn’t like me calling you a Mohammaden/Mohammadist, would you (Even though Muslims have given Mohammad a special place in the Shahada)? The Christian concept of Free Will is about being responsible for your own actions and consequences. The Muslim concept of Free Will is Submission.
 
I. But I’m getting ahead of myself. Let’s look briefly at the history of Islam during the life of Muhammad:

During the first 13 years, he lived in Mecca, and though the Muslims were fiercely persecuted and tortured, they were not allowed to fight back. When they migrated to Medina, and Islam was established for ruling the city as well (ie., legal instead of just spiritual teachings), then the Muslims were first allowed to fight those who were fighting them. They were allowed to fight, but only a specific group who was already attacking them. Basically, they were now allowed to fight defensively. Later on, they were granted permission (or even commanded by God) to fight offensively. But the reason why they were told to fight is actually really important. As you probably know, Muslims aren’t allowed to force anyone to be a Muslim–that’s why jihad is misunderstood. What the Muslims could fight for was actually freedom of religion. If some state were not allowing people freedom of religion, if they weren’t allowing people to be Muslim or to learn Islam, then they were in a way oppressing them. So the Muslims were to fight them until the people were free of that oppression. And that is the only reason. As the Qur’an says, oppression is worse than slaughter.
Myth: Muhammad was persecuted by the Meccans for preaching Islam

Myth: Muhammad was tortured by the Meccans

Myth: The Muslims were persecuted and suffered many deaths at Mecca

Myth: The pagans at Mecca were the first to draw blood in the conflict with Muslims

Myth: Persecution forced Muhammad and the Muslims to flee Mecca for Medina

Myth: Muhammad was under persecution by the Meccans in Medina

No compulsion in religion??:rolleyes:

Vickie
 
One only needs to read about the Islamic conquests to understand that offensive Jihad to spread islam is an islamic reality.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top