I think you have misunderstood the doctrine, medwigel. It only applies to those who have already had their sin forgiven through Christ’s sacrifice on the cross.
Galatians, like all the books of the NT, was written by a Catholic about the Catholic faith. There is nothing in it that is not Catholic.
Exactly, it came into use later. All the authors of the NT lived way before that and in all their writings they refer to the Church and called the members of the Church BELIEVERS not Catholics. If the “Catholic” existed back then then they would have used that word to define the faithful but they didn’t, nor did they ever refer to themselves as Catholics.
Exactly, we are talking about applying a doctrine to people who have already been forgiven. So if Christ already forgave me why do I have to do an act to lessen the punishment? If Christ forgave me of my sins then there is no cause for punishment and if there is no punishment there is no need for an “indulgence” to lessen a punishment the Christ is not even dolling out.
Because we have a “participation” or “koinonia” in Jesus that we received in Baptism. We suffer with Jesus so we can be glorified with Jesus. This is part of “the Gospel of participation”.
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Actually they were referred to as Christians and by Paul, Saints. Everyone who was in Christ was a member of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. This is still the case today.
It seems you will have a lot of interesting things to encounter when you delve into your early family history, medwigel. Christians did not stop writing at the close of the Apostolic age, and the Church of Jesus built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets continued to grow from the small seed in the NT to the largest tree. This Church was nothing but Catholic until 1054.
It is not about punishment, but healing and restitution. If your son is playing ball in the yard and breaks the neighbors window, you can go with your son and apologize. The neighbor forgives the offense, but there is still a broken window to repair.
There are consequences of our sins. We have an obligation to address the consequences to ourselves and others. It is called making reparation.
He says this through the priest every week in confession! Of course I do.
No condemnation means that the eternal consequences of our sin are paid through His death on the cross. What remains is to repair the damage to ourselves and others. It would be an error to think that this is done in any other way than by grace, through faith. We cannot earn our way to heaven, medwigel.
What, you can’t find the word “Catholic”
interesting…No, Paul was not talking about eternal consequences, he was talking about man’s condition right here on earth and he is comparing condemnation that is brought on when we sin against the law vs the righteousness we have in Christ Jesus.
I can’t find the word Trinity, either, but that does mean the Apostles did not believe in it. I don’t find hypostatic union, or the word monotheletism, but those words not being contained in the NT do not exclude them from being doctrines of the faith.What, you can’t find the word “Catholic”
Romans 8:1 “There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.”
Right. But there are still consequences of the sins. The eternal debt has been paid, but often there remains a temporal debt. For example, if a teen gets pregnant outside of marriage, God will forgive her for the sin of fornication (if she asks), but she may still have the pregnancy. She may have to become a young mother, marry someone she does not want to marry, or be a single mother, or give up the baby. All of these outcomes may be painful and difficult for her.
Both things are true. The Church is also wounded when her members commit sins. And sometimes, the person who was harmed is not available for reparation.
It is surprising that you would say this. God created the earth, and everything in it. He created humans, and He revealed His will for us. He is the one who designed the consequences that we suffer as a result of our choices, from the Garden of Eden until the present day. The “law of the land” is His law, natural law.
I doubt if someone breaks a window in your house, even if it is an accident, you would not be offended. Someone recently broke into my car by breaking a window, and I can assure you I was quite offended by the offense.
God did not create the Constitution of the United States, He did not create Apartheid, God did not create the law that allowed humans to be stolen, bought and sold as chattel, yet these were all laws of the land at the time.
What consequences? There are no consequences with God, you must go to whoever you offended to make amends.
King David was living under the law, not under grace, so under the law if you broke it you would face a consequence sanctioned by God. But we live under grace and not the law so therefore God no longer holds our sins against us and therefore no consequences from God
Those are all natural consequences of her actions, they don’t come from God.
I am not God, so yes I part of me would be offended (my challenge would be how I then responded to the person), but God would no be offended because He decided to forgive us even before the offense was committed.
By what authority do you claim the meaning of scripture?
God is not a participant in the creation of life?
This coming from someone that a few hours earlier was trotting out sins of the popes.
Don’t get snippy at me because the people you revere as the head of the church were found to the corrupt and were horrible leaders.
Sooo, what other authority do you see me claiming?