Something Must Be Done About Those High Paid Teachers

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Something Must Be Done About Those High Paid Teachers
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- SICK OF THOSE HIGH PAID TEACHERS?

I, for one, am sick and tired of those high paid teachers. Their hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work nine or ten months a year!

It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do....baby-sit!

We can get that for less than minimum wage. That's right. I would give them $3.00 dollars an hour and only the hours they worked, not any of that silly planning time.  That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 AM to 4:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch). Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children.
Now, how many do they teach in a day… maybe 30? So that’s 19.5 X 30 = $585.00 a day. But remember they only work
180 days a year! I’m not going to pay them for any vacations.
Let’s see. . . that’s $585 x 180 = $105,300
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What about those special teachers or the ones with master’s
degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage just to be fair. Round it off to $7.00 an hour. That would be $7 times 6-1/2 hours times 30 children times 180 days=$245,700.00 per year.
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Wait a minute, there is something wrong here!

There sure is, duh!
 
mommyof4 said:
Something Must Be Done About Those High Paid Teachers
Code: 
- SICK OF THOSE HIGH PAID TEACHERS?

I, for one, am sick and tired of those high paid teachers. Their hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work nine or ten months a year!

It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do....baby-sit!

We can get that for less than minimum wage. That's right. I would give them $3.00 dollars an hour and only the hours they worked, not any of that silly planning time.  That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 AM to 4:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch). Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children.
Now, how many do they teach in a day… maybe 30? So that’s 19.5 X 30 = $585.00 a day. But remember they only work
180 days a year! I’m not going to pay them for any vacations.
Let’s see. . . that’s $585 x 180 = $105,300
Code: 
Hold on! My calculator must need batteries!)
What about those special teachers or the ones with master’s
degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage just to be fair. Round it off to $7.00 an hour. That would be $7 times 6-1/2 hours times 30 children times 180 days=$245,700.00 per year.
Code: 
Wait a minute, there is something wrong here!

There sure is, duh!
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You had me going for a minute.

The teachers in our public school district make a decent wage. A first year teacher makes about $30,000 here. Not a lot, but more than a beginner in my company makes.

The Catholic school teachers, not that’s another story.
 
mommyof4 said:
No kidding. My husband used to work at one.
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My neighbor taught at a boys’ school for many many years. He was already there, and football coach too, when his son was born. His son’s first year teaching in public school, he was making more than his father did as head of the same department and football coach. But the son’s wife has a very good job, and he left the public school to take his father’s position at the Catholic school when the father retired. TRADITION!
 
daeve said:
You had me going for a minute.

The teachers in our public school district make a decent wage. A first year teacher makes about $30,000 here. Not a lot, but more than a beginner in my company makes.
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But you probably work an entire year.
 
lak611 said:
But you probably work an entire year.
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I’m an underwriter for a mortgage company. Teachers’ salaries vary enormously across the country. A brand new teacher in one of our affluent county school districts makes more than seasoned ones in small town in many states. That kind of goes for anyone though…what someone makes in New York is probably different than they’re earning in New Mexico. I wish I’d have had the sense to get a teaching certificate my first time around in college. I’d be comfortable now and getting ready to retire in a couple years, off school when the kids were and have time for a real vacation every year. But there is a lot of work and responsibility that goes into it too. Not all teachers get paid for 12 months. Some get salary during the school year only, and have to budget for the off time.
 
daeve said:
Not all teachers get paid for 12 months. Some get salary during the school year only, and have to budget for the off time.
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It’s only fair that they should get paid only when they work. I know that a lot of teachers take summer jobs to earn extra money when they are not working for their school. Others take part-time jobs during the school year. I remember going Christmas shopping with my parents when I was in elementary school and seeing my teacher working at the store.
 
I think teachers do okay, though, I don’t know how a Catholic school salary can support a family.

Most sole bread winners I know who teach have had to leave the Catholic school system and enter the public schools in order to support their families. But, some schools offer free tuition to teacher’s kids, so that makes it a great deal esp. for the second income winner.

Some teachers are enormously underpaid because of all the additional time and energy they put into their classes. And, some are grossly overpaid.

It’s a very stressful job, though.
 
Let me clear something up.
  1. We don’t get paid summer vacations. Our salaries may or may not (depending on the school district) be stretched over 12 months, but we only get paid for the actual time we work.
  2. It is true, we do get summers off (or in my case, since I work in a year-round school, track breaks that equal about the same as 10 weeks…10 weeks is NOT a full summer, BTW), BUT…I regularly work a 13 hour day. I don’t get paid for the extra time I work beyond the contract. Further, I bring work home and I frequently work at school on Saturdays. I used to put in some Sundays as well, now I simply refuse to do so.
 
When my dad worked in the Catholic schools, he was a P.E. teacher/Health teacher, athletic director, football, wrestling coach…and drove the school bus in the mornings. He also started the CYO wrestling program in the area Catholic elementary schools.

When he switched to public schools, he was able to drop athletic director and bus driver, but added summer school, drivers ed, and track coach. Plus, he lifeguarded the pool once a week for public swim.

This was in addition to his subject prep.
 
Salaries
Salaries and Fringe Benefits
In six of the provinces and the two territories, basic salary scales and fringe benefits are established through negotiations between the teachers’ association and representatives of the government. In some cases, supplementary negotiations take place at the school board level concerning additional fringe benefits and conditions of work. In British Columbia, Alberta, Manitoba and Ontario, all negotiations take place at the local or regional level.

Average Teacher Salaries by Province
4 Years of Education 6 Years of Education**
MinimumMaximum Minimum****Maximum

**Alberta (2003-04 simple average)$43,653$68,967$48,779$74,126
British Columbia$37,908$56,743$45,506$70,684
Saskatchewan$38,700$59,500$43,570$66,103
Manitoba$37,948$58,737$42,887$65,310
Ontario$37,043$62,625$42,258$73,472
Quebec$36,196$58,633$41,982$63,527
New Brunswick$33,776$52,231$40,482$62,292
Nova Scotia$35,906$57,376$44,168$67,978
Prince Edward Island$30,341$46,871$38,480$59,657
Newfoundland
& Labrador$34,838$45,264$45,280$60,212
Alberta teacher salaries are based on agreements in place as of September 2004 – 44 settlements

Ontario teacher salaries are based on the average of elementary and secondary figures Teachers’ salaries increased an average of 2.9% per year between 1999 and 2003, slightly above the 2.7% CPI average annual growth over the same period. These increases reflect a number of retroactive collective agreements. Teachers’ salaries had increased by less than 1% per year from 1994 to 1998.

Fringe Benefits:

Fringe benefits provided for in collective agreements may, but do not necessarily, include the following:
  • compassionate leave
  • supplementary medical insurance
  • cumulative sick leave
  • longterm disability insurance
  • maternity leave
  • retirement gratuities
  • sabbatical and study leave
  • life insurance
  • dental insurance
    General Social Security
    As citizens of Canada, teachers are required to participate in the social security programs of the federal government. These include Unemployment Insurance and the Canada/Quebec Pension Plan. The Unemployment Insurance plan provides benefits to persons who are unemployed through maternity or illness, as well as through general unavailability of suitable work. The Canada/Quebec Pension Plan provides a basic minimum retirement allowance and, in addition, some disability and survivors’ benefits.
    Teachers also participate in the provincial hospital and medical insurance plans. The costs of these plans are shared by the federal and provincial governments. The plans cover the basic expenses of hospital accommodation and physicians’ services. Details of coverage vary from province to province.
 
daeve said:
You had me going for a minute.

The teachers in our public school district make a decent wage. A first year teacher makes about $30,000 here. Not a lot, but more than a beginner in my company makes.

The Catholic school teachers, not that’s another story.
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Our first year teachers make quite a bit more than that here. That’s with a BA and a temporary certification (they can teach but have to be supervised). It is also for 10 months of work, with at least 3 weeks of vacation and benefits that I could only dream of when I was working in “corporate America”. They get paid extra for each and every additional duty: helping kids after school (extra pay), coaching (extra pay - the head coaches of the football teams at the local HSs make 6 figures), sponsor an after-school club (extra pay) etc.

I do not begrudge them one penny. I believe that they are worth all we pay them but I would never say that teachers are under paid - at least not here.
 
when DH, with an MA and 10 yrs experience, math dept. chairman at an exclusive, expensive Catholic school we qualified for food stamps on his salary (did not get them but we did qualify) I made more as a waitress on weekends at Denny’s than he made all week teaching, coaching and driving the team bus.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
I regularly work a 13 hour day. I don’t get paid for the extra time I work beyond the contract. Further, I bring work home and I frequently work at school on Saturdays. I used to put in some Sundays as well, now I simply refuse to do so.
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This is the same kind of schedule that many people in professional positions work. There is nothing unique to teachers when it comes to overtime and taking work home.
 
1ke said:
This is the same kind of schedule that many people in professional positions work. There is nothing unique to teachers when it comes to overtime and taking work home.
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Yes, but there’s usually quite a difference between their salaries and a teacher’s for the same amount of work.
 
lak611 said:
But teachers get a two month vacation.
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No, usually they’re working part time…or taking classes…or working in their classrooms.

Plus, I’d put working with a nearly 30 4th graders up against just about any job in the free world, in terms of stress.
 
Before I stick my foot in my mouth, I have a question.

How does the behavior of private school students compare to public school students whose parents who use the schools solely as a free baby sitting service?
 
If teachers work toward free market principles in teaching their salaries would increase per student, no doubt about it. However as the government is involved the salaries reflect such. Private schools get bounded because the parents must pay both taxes to fund the public school and the private school tuition both at once.

fyi ask your school to show you the sum of teachers salaries verses total school budget you’ll see quite a difference.
 
LeahInancsi said:
Before I stick my foot in my mouth, I have a question.

How does the behavior of private school students compare to public school students whose parents who use the schools solely as a free baby sitting service?
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In our area… private school teachers actually make LESS than public school teachers… mostly because they’re guaranteed an easier job (better behaved kids in private school… benefit to the teachers)… they’ll take a pay cut to have better kids.
 
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