Something Must Be Done About Those High Paid Teachers

[boppaid]

That’s a nice opinion. I don’t find it compatible with Christianity. Jesus told the Apostles to feed the people, not find some rich people, take their money and buy food for the people.

Well, again, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree then. I really don’t know what to say to your response, honestly…don’t know where to start. I have heard that some people feel that way, but I’ve never met anyone who feels the poor should be fed, etc., yet will not try to find a way to help ENSURE it. Giving your $500-$2000 per year to charitible organizations of your choice is nice, but unless we all contribute to society , your $500-$2000 (or whatever you personally donate) won’t go very far in reaching those that the rest of society doesn’t care about.

 

[ChrisR246]

… I have heard that some people feel that way, but I’ve never met anyone who feels the poor should be fed, etc., yet will not try to find a way to help ENSURE it. …

The evidence in Scripture seems to me to indicate that Jesus felt that way. Again, He did not instruct the Apostles to take money from the rich to feed the poor, nor did he instruct them to lobby the Governor or the Emperor to do it. He instructed them to do it. Instead of compelling our neighbors to be charitable we should be setting an exaple and preaching to them.

 

[boppaid]

Certainly, and I would ask that every member of a society consider hetrher or not they are willing to kill to enforce the latest political decision, because, ultimately, that is what it means. In this instance, you and other public school supporters are willing to kill me to provide an education for everyone.

Are you being serious? Okay…let’s pretend you are. What about the law of stopping for a red light? What about the law that says sex offenders must register? What about the law that says you have to pay for your groceries, and can’t just walk in and take them? I cannot believe that the people who uphold those laws are willing to KILL people to ensure that these laws are followed.

Face it…you need to come to terms with this, I think, Chris. You live in a society. That entails following rules that the majority have put into place. That means give and take. That means that some rules you agree with and some you find absurd. (Although how anyone can find rules that ensure the poor are fed and educated as absurd is beyond my understanding.) But, regardless, you choose to live in this society. There are other places who do not have such “big government”, so I cannot understand why you choose to live here in a government that will kill you without hesitation to provide an education for the poor, if that upsets you so much. I, for one, am proud to live in a country where they try to ensure everyone pays their part so that as many poor can be educated as possible.

 

[boppaid]

That’s your choice, as far as I am concerned, but you have to live with the legal punishments meted out justly by the law. (Which would not result in death, but more likely garnishment of your wages).

That’s true, I don’t know where he got the idea not paying taxes=death. I’ve never heard of tax evasion equalling the death penalty!

 

[boppaid]

That’s not at all true and I’ll ask you to stop making accusations about my motives. I oppose the use of violence for anything but the protection of *natural/I] rights. I am not willing to walk next door and put a gun to my neighbor’s head to pay for my son to go to parochial school. I simply ask my neighbors not to do the same to me. *

Who is going to kill you or use violence if you don’t pay taxes?

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

Something Must Be Done About Those High Paid Teachers

- SICK OF THOSE HIGH PAID TEACHERS?

I, for one, am sick and tired of those high paid teachers. Their hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work nine or ten months a year!

It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do....baby-sit!

We can get that for less than minimum wage. That's right. I would give them $3.00 dollars an hour and only the hours they worked, not any of that silly planning time.  That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 AM to 4:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch). Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children.

Now, how many do they teach in a day… maybe 30? So that’s 19.5 X 30 = $585.00 a day. But remember they only work
180 days a year! I’m not going to pay them for any vacations.
Let’s see. . . that’s $585 x 180 = $105,300

Hold on! My calculator must need batteries!)

What about those special teachers or the ones with master’s
degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage just to be fair. Round it off to $7.00 an hour. That would be $7 times 6-1/2 hours times 30 children times 180 days=$245,700.00 per year.

Wait a minute, there is something wrong here!

There sure is, duh!

Or we could pay them the same that babysitters make. $200 per kid per week * 15 - 30 kids and you would still gross a heck of a lot more than you do from your normal salary.

 

[AngelRose81]

I’m getting my masters to teach now and the really sad part is I will be making the same amount teaching as I do in my current job. (i’m a paralegal in a law firm and we are some of the lowest pd in the city). So that’s why I want to teach. I agree that teachers are definitely underpaid. Majorly!!! My dad and mom were both teachers and no teacher is pd fairly for what they do. In most states and counties, it does increase the more education and experience you have but its still sad. I think that if you have a PhD in the county I live in and have been teaching for 8-10 yrs you top out for your base salary in the $60,000s. But the state and county here give a so much percent raise every year. Hopefully I will get to teach in college one day when I’m done getting my masters and doctorate and maybe I’ll get the pay I deserve as a teacher.

 

[buffalo]

I’m getting my masters to teach now and the really sad part is I will be making the same amount teaching as I do in my current job. (i’m a paralegal in a law firm and we are some of the lowest pd in the city). So that’s why I want to teach. I agree that teachers are definitely underpaid. Majorly!!! My dad and mom were both teachers and no teacher is pd fairly for what they do. In most states and counties, it does increase the more education and experience you have but its still sad. I think that if you have a PhD in the county I live in and have been teaching for 8-10 yrs you top out for your base salary in the $60,000s. But the state and county here give a so much percent raise every year. Hopefully I will get to teach in college one day when I’m done getting my masters and doctorate and maybe I’ll get the pay I deserve as a teacher.

I believe we should have a more objective measurement based on student outcome to determine teacher salaries.

I rarely ever hear a person say they get paid what they are worth. Usually they are complaining about not being paid enough.

Market conditions determine the worth except in teacher’s unions, where patterned bargaining is the norm.

 

[ChrisR246]

That’s true, I don’t know where he got the idea not paying taxes=death. I’ve never heard of tax evasion equalling the death penalty!

Then why are IRS agents armed? (One of the earliest actions by the US Government was putting down the Whiskey Rebellion with armed troops.)

Laws are passed with the intention of enforcing them, correct?

If I fail to comply with a law I will be arrested. If I resist that arrest, the Law Enforcement Agents will use force to make me comply. If I continue to escalate my resistance, they will continue to increase the use of force. The natural progression is using lethal force - They kill me to end my resistance. You can play whatever sematics with this that you want to ease your conscience, but the truth is that by supporting the government in a law you are utimately endorsing them to kill whoever disagrees.

 

[boppaid]

Then why are IRS agents armed? (One of the earliest actions by the US Government was putting down the Whiskey Rebellion with armed troops.)

Laws are passed with the intention of enforcing them, correct?

If I fail to comply with a law I will be arrested. If I resist that arrest, the Law Enforcement Agents will use force to make me comply. If I continue to escalate my resistance, they will continue to increase the use of force. The natural progression is using lethal force - They kill me to end my resistance. You can play whatever sematics with this that you want to ease your conscience, but the truth is that by supporting the government in a law you are utimately endorsing them to kill whoever disagrees.

They would kill you…not for not paying your taxes, but for resisting arrest. Big difference! the penalty for nonpayment of taxes does not equal death.

 

[ChrisR246]

They would kill you…not for not paying your taxes, but for resisting arrest. Big difference! the penalty for nonpayment of taxes does not equal death.

There’s the sematics I was talking about. The root reason for killing me is that I refused to comply with paying the taxes.

 

[KCT]

I believe that in a country this wealthy, EVERYONE has a right to quality healthcare, quality education, and safety. I believe that, as Christians, when we take into account the abundance of wealth in the US (and other strong nations), we MUST not just feed the poor ourselves, but ENSURE that the poor is fed; ENSURE that the poor are educated;

What if they don’t want to cooperate? What happens to rights then? (I haven’t read all posts- perhaps this was addressed)

I home teach for our county. If a student is put out for discipline reasons, presumably after several warnings, the county (not the parents) pays me $25/ hour to go to his house

 

[boppaid]

There’s the sematics I was talking about. The root reason for killing me is that I refused to comply with paying the taxes.

Well, after refusing to pay your taxes, you don’t HAVE to resist arrest. You could go quietly, and live your life in prision. The choice to resist arrest is indepantant of the choice to evade taxes. It is not simply semantics, but rather a large difference.

 

[boppaid]

What if they don’t want to cooperate? What happens to rights then? (I haven’t read all posts- perhaps this was addressed)

I’m not clear on your question. Who is “they”? If the kids don’t want to cooperate? I’m not sure. I believe the way it is today is that the parents can choose to a) homeschool (which can officially mean ‘unschool’…this is a new movement out there, which is kind of weird, imho); b) force the issue; c) put the child in juvenile delequent home (depending on age); or d) go to jail for truency. This may not be true of all states, but I do believe it is in most.

I home teach for our county. If a student is put out for discipline reasons, presumably after several warnings, the county (not the parents) pays me $25/ hour to go to his house and teach him. A kid can get kicked out and receive a private tutor at the tax payers expense.

See, that is crazy to me. I believe the parents should have to pay that, or make one of the other (above) choices. I agree with you on that one!

I

had a 6 yr old last year who could not function in a class of 20 or in a class of 12. He threw desks & caused all sorts of problems. He was diagnosed ADD and ODD (don’t care to disupute those diagnoses here) but his mom refused meds. Perfectly within her right to do so. However, can she refuse meds and then expect the county to provide a private tutor because he can’t handle a class setting? It seems to me that if the county has tried several different classes and he still can’t function, she ought to be held responsible for finding him another school.

yes, I agree that’s a delimma. My friend is facing a similar situation. Her son was diagnosed Asperbergers and she does not want him on the meds because of what they can do to his liver. (He’s only 8). I can see her fear, yet from an educator’s standpoint, there’s some frustration there as well. It’s so hard! But I believe all childrne, with or without special needs, deserve an education.

How many classes does the school have to try? Do they pay for a private tutor for 12 years of school? What responsibility do the parents have to see that the kids behave so they can get an education? —KCT

Well, I think we have two seperate issues here. If the issue is discipline & expulsion, then the parents should pay. If the issue is special needs/handicap, then I believe the state should pay.

Great discussion questions! Great food for thought! Thank you.

 

[KCT]

KCT;2284212:

What if they don’t want to cooperate? What happens to rights then? (I haven’t read all posts- perhaps this was addressed)

I’m not clear on your question. Who is “they”?

Sorry, by ‘they’ I meant the parents. What if the parents don’t cooperate? (as in the case of the 6 yr old I mentioned). How many options does the system have to offer? How many times can the parents refuse those options and still expect free services? —KCT

 

[KCT]

Well, I think we have two seperate issues here. If the issue is discipline & expulsion, then the parents should pay. If the issue is special needs/handicap, then I believe the state should pay.

How severe a handicap?

I have a friend who was an aide at a special school. She said there were many kids who could never be educated academically. (some couldn’t even feed themselves!) The parents knew their ‘rights’ and got what amounted to free babysitting.

It’s a tough issue! —KCT

 

[KathleenElsie]

How severe a handicap?

I have a friend who was an aide at a special school. She said there were many kids who could never be educated academically. (some couldn’t even feed themselves!) The parents knew their ‘rights’ and got what amounted to free babysitting.

It’s a tough issue! —KCT

This is such a tough issue. But, IMO when the situation becomes a non-educational issue, and the only thing that can be provided is respite for the family, the cost needs to be covered by medical coverage or social services and not school taxes.

I still believe that the costs need to be shared by society. But, not by the school systems. The use of school taxes to provide these specialized services creates divisions between people with disabilities and those that do not.

 

[Zooey]

There’s the sematics I was talking about. The root reason for killing me is that I refused to comply with paying the taxes.

Well, after refusing to pay your taxes, you don’t HAVE to resist arrest. You could go quietly, and live your life in prision. The choice to resist arrest is indepantant of the choice to evade taxes. It is not simply semantics, but rather a large difference.

Gee, where do you people live??? Around here, if you don’t pay your school taxes, they add the amount on your property taxes.
Then, if you don’t pay either of those, you have 2 years to make up what you owe. If it isn’t paid, they can auction off your propertty. Period. No guns, no resisting arrest, none of that…In fact, if you own the house, you can get on a payment plan & pay back taxes off a little at a time.
People get behind all the time…No one killed yet, nobody even arrested. I mean, its not illegal to not pay your taxes; its not even that big of a deal. They don’t want your house; what are they going to do with it?? They’ll never get the full value of it at auction. Half the time, they don’t even get enough to pay the back taxes…Which is why they want you living there: You’re pretty much the only one who wants the place.

 

[MollyF]

The worst thing you can say to a teacher, like me, is that you only work 9 months out of the year and you are just babysitting. Come on! Is that how you want to treat someone who teaches children what they need in order to live in a society? For the record, I work during the month of July. June is dedicated to cleaning out the classroom and August is filled with meetings and setting up the classroom. If you ever have been with children or have them, you know you love it when they go to school because you need a break. Well so do the teachers!

For me it is not the pay that gets to me, it is the lack of respect. I have had many conferences where parents are yelling at me, putting me down. Every professional job deserves respect and a lot of times we don’t get it. Try going to school with a teacher for one day and you will see what we do. I dare you!

I realize public school teachers get paid for this and that but my sister is one and she also deals with a lot more than I have to (being in a Catholic school), though I do not get paid for committee work, parish school jobs, and duties (lunch, before school…etc). I think it goes for any job. There are those who work hard and stay late because they care. Then there are those workers who come and do their time for the paycheck.

 

[mommyof4]

The worst thing you can say to a teacher, like me, is that you only work 9 months out of the year and you are just babysitting. Come on! Is that how you want to treat someone who teaches children what they need in order to live in a society? For the record, I work during the month of July. June is dedicated to cleaning out the classroom and August is filled with meetings and setting up the classroom. If you ever have been with children or have them, you know you love it when they go to school because you need a break. Well so do the teachers!

For me it is not the pay that gets to me, it is the lack of respect. I have had many conferences where parents are yelling at me, putting me down. Every professional job deserves respect and a lot of times we don’t get it. Try going to school with a teacher for one day and you will see what we do. I dare you!

I realize public school teachers get paid for this and that but my sister is one and she also deals with a lot more than I have to (being in a Catholic school), though I do not get paid for committee work, parish school jobs, and duties (lunch, before school…etc). I think it goes for any job. There are those who work hard and stay late because they care. Then there are those workers who come and do their time for the paycheck.

Please go back and reread the entire origininal post. If you still have questions, please let me clarify myself.