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lukewarm said:
A Catholic has no business studying any protestant writings everything we need for salvation is contained in the Bible and the Magesterium of the Church.
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But Catholicism, like creation, is generous beyond necessity. Why is it all about what you “need”? Why not rejoice in what you have that you do not need?
We have the great Saints of Christian history and somehow I need Billy Graham, Rick Warren and Joel Osteen?
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These are hardly the greatest Protestantism has to offer. How about Johann Arndt, Charles Wesley, and C. S. Lewis instead?

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
These are hardly the greatest Protestantism has to offer. How about Johann Arndt, Charles Wesley, and C. S. Lewis instead?

Edwin
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C.S. Lewis was a Catholic he just didn’t know it… The guy believed in purgatory and prayers for the dead, case closed. I dare say C.S. Lewis was way more in line with Catholic teaching than the vast majority of protestant teachings.
 
lukewarm said:
C.S. Lewis was a Catholic he just didn’t know it…
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That’s an obvious subterfuge to deny my point.
The guy believe in purgatory, case closed.
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I believe in Purgatory too–am I a Catholic? The Methodist theologian Jerry Walls believes in Purgatory, while teaching at the Protestant Asbury Theological Seminary (as do I, for that matter, but only as an adjunct online). Is he a Catholic?

No, the case is not closed. Or if it is, it’s closed the other way. You clearly can’t support your contention that Protestantism has nothing to offer, so you make the absurd argument that believing in purgatory makes Lewis a Catholic, even though he rejected Catholic doctrine on other points (the papacy for one thing; Mary and the veneration of the saints generally for another).

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
That’s an obvious subterfuge to deny my point.

I believe in Purgatory too–am I a Catholic? The Methodist theologian Jerry Walls believes in Purgatory, while teaching at the Protestant Asbury Theological Seminary (as do I, for that matter, but only as an adjunct online). Is he a Catholic?

No, the case is not closed. Or if it is, it’s closed the other way. You clearly can’t support your contention that Protestantism has nothing to offer, so you make the absurd argument that believing in purgatory makes Lewis a Catholic, even though he rejected Catholic doctrine on other points (the papacy for one thing; Mary and the veneration of the saints generally for another).

Edwin
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LOL lighten up a bit…

No C.S Lewis offered nothing new, had C.S. Lewis never written Mere Christianity the Church would still be teaching the truth. No I don’t believe protestantism offers anything but hatred, divisiveness, superiority, and confusion. If that bothers you I’ll try to not let it keep me up at night…
 
lukewarm said:
LOL lighten up a bit…
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When you have insulted someone’s religious tradition and made a blatantly false claim to back up the insult, it only compounds the offense to say “lighten up.”

I might have found it easier to treat your claim about C. S. Lewis lightly if you had not used such strong language about Protestantism in the first place.

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
When you have insulted someone’s religious tradition and made a blatantly false claim to back up the insult, it only compounds the offense to say “lighten up.”

Edwin
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Take your C.S Lewis and go have fun pal his pretenious prose grows tired after the first 20 pages anyway. Oviously I know C.S. Lewis wasn’t Catholic and I was kidding…

No I don’t like protestants in general you got me, especially English protestants so sue me…
 
lukewarm said:
Take your C.S Lewis and go have fun pal his pretenious prose grows tired after the first 20 pages anyway. Oviously I know C.S. Lewis wasn’t Catholic and I was kidding…

No I don’t like protestants in general you got me, especially English protestants so sue me…
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Oh, you’re an English Catholic. That explains everything:D

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
But obviously you don’t know what he taught, so you don’t know that he mocked or distorted the truth.

But the only non-harmful way of countering such a lie is to distinguish carefully between the lie and the truth mixed with it.

It’s the only reasonable one if you want to “counter it” (and, of course, this is not the only reason Catholics might study non-Catholic writings–they might also want to learn from them). If you want to leave non-Catholics alone, then by all means don’t bother learning about us.

First of all, many of the things Protestants believe do not offend God (by Catholic standards). In the second place, no one says you should study Protestantism. But since you clearly know nothing about it, why are you posting on a thread discussing it?

It’s a very bad comparison–your Church does not as far as I know teach that a Protestant service is equivalent to homosexuality. Typically, a Methodist service will include hymns and prayers to one or more persons of the Blessed Trinity, very probably a recitation of the Apostles’ Creed, and a sermon that (like most Catholic sermons) is more likely to be bland than heretical. Once a month or so there will be communion, and only there do problems arise, it seems to me.

Or he might leave because he has been told that something he experiences to be good is evil. Telling a child that singing praise to God is bad is truly going to be confusing, especially when his mother says otherwise.

Edwin
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To know the Truth you do not have to study the lie; to know the Truth means that you will recognize the lie when it slips in with the Truth. This young man has not been Confirmed-his focus needs to be the Catholic Faith, and only the Catholic Faith.

I don’t know why you assert that I know nothing about Protestantism…I’ve made know statement on their beliefs, except that many of them oppose the Truth, which you honestly can’t disagree with.

The comparison I made was very good, actually. Teaching that homosexuality is okay is a sin, as is the *act *itself. Teaching that Protestantism is okay is also a sin, as Protestantism opposes what Almighty God has established. I’m not saying that there is not sincere faith, but you can find that among the pagans as well.

A sexual experience between two people who love each other, though unmarried, feels good, but that doesn’t make it right. In ignorance, the accountablity is lessened, but it still isn’t right. Same point that I made with Protestantism. The people are not evil or bad just because they’re not Catholic, but that doesn’t the fact remains that the doctrine is corrupt and this is why the Catholic Church has *condemned *participation in such services.
 
Kitty_Chan said:
or he will see religion divides and reject church and God with it cause the whole thing hurts too much.
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If his father does this with hate, anger, and criticism, yes, the boy will probably be turned away from religion. If done with love then he will likely grow up in the Faith right to Sainthood.
 
rr1213 said:
It is garbage. He’s equating Protestant faiths with sexual abomination. When I first started posting here there as a thread which essentially asked whether you would prefere that your kid become an atheist or Protestant and there were plenty of Catholics who chose the former. Nonesense.
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No, not nonsense. Truth, something that isn’t emphasized in Protestantism, which is precisely why the boy should stay away from it, as should all Catholics. I (FYI- I am a she). Sin is sin. I wasn’t condemning the personal faith of the Protestants, just the doctrines, which vary person to person. This is not the unity Jesus Christ prayed for.
 
latinmasslover said:
The comparison I made was very good, actually. Teaching that homosexuality is okay is a sin, as is the *act *itself. Teaching that Protestantism is okay is also a sin, as Protestantism opposes what Almighty God has established.
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You’d be having a hissy-fit if a Protestant made the same comparison with respect to the Catholic Church. Go find a better analogy.
 
Contarini said:
You clearly can’t support your contention that Protestantism has nothing to offer,

Edwin
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Any good found in Protestantism already exists in Catholicism, assuming the Catholics are in fact Catholic. Therefore, it really has nothing to offer.
 
rr1213 said:
You’d be having a hissy-fit if a Protestant made the same comparison with respect to the Catholic Church. Go find a better analogy.
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They can’t make the same comparison. Catholic doctrine is supported by the Bible, as Protestant doctrine is not. The only way they could make that same analogy is if they were comparing the *behavior *of individual Catholics, and not the *religion *itself.
 
Contarini said:
No. An adult, committed Christian joining a Methodist church would not need to be confirmed. Why on earth would they? They would simply be received as members “by transfer.”
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Or, you can be like me: After a couple of years of attending the Methodist Church of which I am now a member, I mentioned to the gentleman who was then pastor, that I thought I was ready to join.
The next time new members were being received, I:eek: heard my name being mentioned as among the new members…
I still have:shrug: no idea how it was done. It doesn’t matter at this point; there was clearly a procedure for “wants to join, is a baptized Christian, agrees with John (though usually not Charles) Wesley”. At least, I hope so. Otherwise, I have no idea what I am. Probably still a youthful rebel, wandering from church to church, in search of an identity. (Well, I have to admit that I am no longer, at 60, youthful).
Certainly, it is a very much simpler procedure than what I read about here, on conversion to the Catholic Church.
Yes. I would assume that as the OP said, the kid will have to decide when it comes time for confirmation. The UMC does have something called “associate membership” which is open to people who belong to another denomination and don’t want to give up their membership in that denomination, but by and large this is supposed to be for people who have a “home church” some distance away (college students, for instance).
Edwin
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My mother belonged to both the Free Methodist and the United Methodist Churches, under the “associate” provision. But that is a very different thing from being both Catholic & Methodist…
I can only offer the OP my sincere sympathy & my prayers, for a situation which must be painful for him & his son. ( I counsel charity for the mom, despite the fact that it makes me angry when a parent does something this bewildering to a child, for what seems to be little or no reason).
lukewarm said:
C.S. Lewis was a Catholic he just didn’t know it… The guy believed in purgatory and prayers for the dead, case closed. I dare say C.S. Lewis was way more in line with Catholic teaching than the vast majority of protestant teachings.
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Contarini said:
I believe in Purgatory too–am I a Catholic? The Methodist theologian Jerry Walls believes in Purgatory, while teaching at the Protestant Asbury Theological Seminary (as do I, for that matter, but only as an adjunct online). Is he a Catholic?

Edwin
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I believe in Purgatory as well, Methodist that I am. I know quite a number of Methodists who do.
 
lukewarm said:
Take your C.S Lewis and go have fun pal his pretenious prose grows tired after the first 20 pages anyway. Oviously I know C.S. Lewis wasn’t Catholic and I was kidding…

No I don’t like protestants in general you got me, especially English protestants so sue me…
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Shame on you.

I wish I could sue you. Proving damages would be my burden.

Strike that- yours
 
Contarini said:
Oh, you’re an English Catholic. That explains everything:D

Edwin
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Not nice Edwin.

Not all English Catholics are rude and arrogant and I hope you know that.

I have only one friend there, but she is well-----

born in Schottland and still a kind Catholic in spite of it.😉

Ben Lomond area.
 
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