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latinmasslover said:
The CCC is “Protestant friendly,” and therefore doesn’t touch up on the issue we were discussing. I’ve already admitted, more than once, that this issue is lightly touched upon in the CCC, and even then it’s very ambiguous.
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This is JPII’s CCC is it not? It seems that it was good enough for him. JPII not Catholic enough for your tastes?
 
Yerusalyim said:
I still stick by my advice to attend both worship services as a family if at all possible and to ensure you gently reinforce Catholic doctrine with your son…and GENTLY work on your wife to bring her back to the CHURCH…ST. Monica is a good prayer partner for this issue.
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AMEN!
 
latinmasslover said:
About taking things out of context, see [RR1213’s] post 86. (this is assuming that you in fact took it out of the CCC, which you didn’t happen to specify).
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Ahh, I see. Well, let’s take a look at my post, no. 86, which is set forth below:
rr1213 said:
I honestly believe that many of the Catholics posting in this thread would literally give their children over to atheism if the alternative was for the child to attend a Protestant Church. This, notwithstanding that despite signficiant differences, Catholics and Protestants have more in common than what they hold separate.

Your Church holds that…"these separated Churches and communities as such, though we believe they suffer from defects, have by no means been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church.”

God has used, and continues to use, the Protestant bodies as a means of salvation. You’d rather have the kid be denied those means of salvation altogether if the alternative is that he is willing only to receive those means in a Protestant Church. Amazing. Pray to God that you are not actually faced with this sort of choice because it happens, this is not just theoretical.
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Frankly, I didn’t think that you would recognize the quoted language. No, don’t worry, it’s not from the CCC. It’s from one of those other “Church documents” that you make reference to. This particular one is Dominus Iesus, quoting Unitatis redintegratio…but you don’t have to take my (Protestant) word for it, take a look yourself.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html
 
tjomar said:
My 12 year old son …
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I go to church with my brother (Episcopalian) and I am not two religions. Not sure how that could work.

I think it’s a positive thing that the mother is bringing him to church. But he can still be Catholic and go to his/your church regularly and mom’s church once a month.

I think some people are affaid for kids to experience another religion but it doesn’t seem like his faith changing. Of course, as an adult, he’ll be able to do what he wants. I’m sure this must be difficult, but good luck to you.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
Let’s rephrase it:

There are denominations that claim to be Christian who deny that Christ is God, or not the only one.
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Agreed, but I think you and I would further agree that these denominations are not truly Christian. Catholics and the vast majority of Protestants confess that Jesus is God. The only folks who call themselves Christian who don’t (to the best of my knowledge) are the Unitarians, the JWs and, arguably, the LDS (who confess that Jesus is God but have a really “different” understanding of who God is). There are probably others…
 
rr1213 said:
Ok, you can’t prove it from the CCC. If you could, you’d have done it by now.
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I don’t know what it is you do not understand about what I said. Too many big words? I’m sorry I can’t make it any more elementary for you.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
It’s not a quetion of learning. You can learn a lot by going to synagogue, mosque, budhdhsit temple, etc. (and I have), but you can’t be Jewish/muslim/budhdhist combo. It’s not what you know but what you are.
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That’s true. When I was on vacation in Seoul, I went to a Buddhist shrine, not to pray or meditate, but simply to observe. I learned a lot, and in a weird way, I learned a little about being a Catholic. But I in no way consider myself a Catholic and a Buddhist simply because I went to a Buddhist shrine.
Isa_Almisry said:
Btw I try to emphasize the positive of their mother’s church, because my sons are very negative about it (When the one asked me why it didn’t have a Cross, and told them that they didn’t want to make people sad [the officially admitted reason]. My son’s answer "tsk, they call that a church? It’s not a church it’s a mall). I converted from evangelical Lutheran, mom was the cradle Orthodox.
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I have to say, good for your son, but good for you for encouraging him to remember the positives.
 
rr1213 said:
This is JPII’s CCC is it not? It seems that it was good enough for him. JPII not Catholic enough for your tastes?
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Let me simplify: the CCC is not the sole rule of faith, and the Pope doesn’t say that it is. Again, where is what I’ve said condemned by the Church? You can’t base all of Catholic theology on one book. Where is what I’ve said been condemned? You constantly refuse to answer the question.
 
rr1213 said:
Ahh, I see. Well, let’s take a look at my post, no. 86, which is set forth below:

Frankly, I didn’t think that you would recognize the quoted language. No, don’t worry, it’s not from the CCC. It’s from one of those other “Church documents” that you make reference to. This particular one is Dominus Iesus, quoting Unitatis redintegratio…but you don’t have to take my (Protestant) word for it, take a look yourself.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html
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I’m sorry that I do not have every writing of the Church memorized. Where in that document does it say that it’s okay for a Catholic expose his child to heresy?
 
latinmasslover said:
I don’t know what it is you do not understand about what I said. Too many big words? I’m sorry I can’t make it any more elementary for you.
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No, I’m ok with the big words (not that you used any). Prejudice and irrationality are another thing.
 
latinmasslover said:
I’m sorry that I do not have every writing of the Church memorized. Where in that document does it say that it’s okay for a Catholic expose his child to heresy?
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You truly don’t get it… Your own Church holds that Protestants possess some of the truth of God even though the fullness of that truth is found only in the Catholic Church. Your own Church teaches that the Spirit of God has used, and continues to use, the Protestant “ecclessial communities” as means of grace and salvation, abeit a salvation that comes from the Catholic Church not the Protestant Churches. These are the teachings of your Church, not mine.

As you will find out some day if you are so blessed as to have children (my wife and I have three, all teenagers now), children can have a mind of their own and are wont to assert their independence. If you should find yourself confronted by a child who has lost his fath in the Catholic Church, but not necessarily his faith in God, then you will be doing him a disservice, perhaps an eternal disservice, if you preclude him from attending Protestant services where, by the admission of your own Church, he will be exposed to some elements of the truth. Jesus is present in our Churches as well as yours.
 
rr1213 said:
You truly don’t get it… Your own Church holds that Protestants possess some of the truth of God even though the fullness of that truth is found only in the Catholic Church. Your own Church teaches that the Spirit of God has used, and continues to use, the Protestant “ecclessial communities” as means of grace and salvation, abeit a salvation that comes from the Catholic Church not the Protestant Churches. These are the teachings of your Church, not mine.

As you will find out some day if you are so blessed as to have children (my wife and I have three, all teenagers now), children can have a mind of their own and are wont to assert their independence. If you should find yourself confronted by a child who has lost his fath in the Catholic Church, but not necessarily his faith in God, then you will be doing him a disservice, perhaps an eternal disservice, if you preclude him from attending Protestant services where, by the admission of your own Church, he will be exposed to some elements of the truth. Jesus is present in our Churches as well as yours.
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No, you see, I know what the Church teaches, and I have not denied that Protestantism has some truth; but you seem to be missing my point: it is not okay for a Catholic to leave the Church, period, and that includes for Protestantism. I’m not denying that Protestantism retained some truth, and I’m not saying that Protestants have no faith or are damned, and neither does the Church. The situation, however, is different for someone who is already Catholic. What my question is (and the tone of this question is not meant to sound like I’m smarting off to you) and has been is this: **Where in Church history, Church documents, or even the CCC, does it state that it is permissable for a Catholic to participate in **(as in not attend strictly for observance, and this being someone grounded in the Faith) or become Protestant?
 
latinmasslover said:
I’m sorry that I do not have every writing of the Church memorized. Where in that document does it say that it’s okay for a Catholic expose his child to heresy?
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Actually, you asserted that Catholics are ***“forbidden to participate in such [Protestant] services under pain of mortal sin.” ***See Post 70 supra (emphasis added). You’ve provided not a single source for this assertion from the CCC or otherwise.

In contrast, from my reading, it appears that the Catholic Church teaches that Catholics cannot take communion in Protestant Churches (invalid orders leading to invalid Eucharist, etc.) and cannot substitute attendence at a Protestant service for the Catholic’s Sunday obligation. However, this does not preclude him from attending a Protestant service and participating in the bible readings, prayers, hymns, and other aspects of the service.

I direct your attention to the following except from a document of your Church entitled DIRECTORY FOR THE APPLICATION OFPRINCIPLES AND NORMS ON ECUMENISM:

Sharing in Non-Sacramental Liturgical Worship
  1. By liturgical worship is meant worship carried out according to books, prescriptions and customs of a Church or ecclesial Community, presided over by a minister or delegate of that Church or Community. This liturgical worship may be of a non-sacramental kind, or may be the celebration of one or more of the Christian sacraments. The concern here is non-sacramental worship.
  2. In some situations, the official prayer of a Church may be preferred to ecumenical services specially prepared for the occasion. Participation in such celebrations as Morning or Evening Prayer, special vigils, etc., will enable people of different liturgical traditions—Catholic, Eastern, Anglican and Protestant—to understand each other’s community prayer better and to share more deeply in traditions which often have developed from common roots.
  3. In liturgical celebrations taking place in other Churches and ecclesial Communities, Catholics are encouraged to take part in the psalms, responses, hymns and common actions of the Church in which they are guests. If invited by their hosts, they may read a lesson or preach.
  4. Regarding assistance at liturgical worship of this type, there should be a meticulous regard for the sensibilities of the clergy and people of all the Christian Communities concerned, as well as for local customs which may vary according to time, place, persons and circumstances. In a Catholic liturgical celebration, ministers of other Churches and ecclesial Communities may have the place and liturgical honors proper to their rank and their role, if this is judged desirable. Catholic clergy invited to be present at a celebration of another Church or ecclesial Community may wear the appropriate dress or insignia of their ecclesiastical office, if it is agreeable to their hosts.
vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_25031993_principles-and-norms-on-ecumenism_en.html

These other less authoritative sources are also useful:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=92880

cuf.org/faithfacts/details_view.asp?ffID=225

64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:n0dgvhNI-CMJ:www.dwc.org/questions/services.shtml+can+a+catholic+attend+a+protestant+church+service&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=16&gl=us

If you have counter-references post them.
 
Wonder what tjomar will think of all the “helpful” brotherly exchange regarding his son…:hmmm:
 
tjomar said:
My 12 year old son was born to two cradle Catholics, baptized in a Catholic Church and attends Catholic school. About 3 years ago, mother decided to join Methodist church, and insists on having our son attend church with her 1x per month. She tells our son he is Catholic and Methodist, I have told my son he cannot be Catholic and another religion. It is correct to say he attends two churches, but he is only of the Catholic faith. My son prefers the Catholic Church.
Am I correct in telling my son he cannot be Catholic and another religion? Will he have to make a decision when it comes time for the sacrament of Confirmation?
Thanks for any help and guidance.
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Yes, he attends 2 churches, but he is Catholic. You are correct, you cannot be Catholic and Protestant at the same time. Everyone makes a decision when it comes time for Confirmation. Encourage him to be kind to his mother, she seems to have had a crisis of faith. Suggest to him to pray for her to come back to the Catholic Church.
 
anniemart said:
Wonder what tjomar will think of all the “helpful” brotherly exchange regarding his son…:hmmm:
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He’ll probably think that Catholics value the soul of his son whereas some others say “let religious anarchy rule!”
 
anniemart said:
Wonder what tjomar will think of all the “helpful” brotherly exchange regarding his son…:hmmm:
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I know what I think: There are a lot of non-Catholics who:( hate Catholics more than they love Jesus Christ. So far, I haven’t seen any of them posting here.
What I have seen, is the sad mirror image, however: There are some Catholics in this thread who 😦 hate Protestants more than they love Jesus Christ.

:shrug:Both groups are equally pathetic…and:eek: not very Christian…
People, what are you concerned with? Immortal souls?? Because you sure as hell don’t sound like it.
You sound like you’re bitter, angry people who need to get yourselves off to confession. And sooner rather than later. People do just up & drop dead, you know. (Having nearly done so myself a few years back, I can assure you, it happens all the time). Worry about your own souls a little bit, and then maybe you can come back here, and behave yourselves.

Yes, I am a cranky old lady. I am old enough to be the mother of a bunch of you, & if I were mother of some of you ,:mad: you’d be having a hard time dealing with the sore ear I pulled you to the confessional by.
 
Here is a summation of the OP question:
Am I correct in telling my son he cannot be Catholic and another religion? Will he have to make a decision when it comes time for the sacrament of Confirmation?
Thanks for any help and guidance.
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Please stick to this as the topic of your response posts.

Thanks and God bless-

Rachel
 
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