Son wants to wear chapel veil

[Brendan_64]

I made a simple request at a past parish home, for a little Latin; maybe the Sanctus with minor 5th harmony. Please? Even without a manilla, I was directed to a nearby SSPX chapel

That is dreadful.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

At least I knew they were, but what if I hadn’t. Thanks to them the previous bishop wad and is so biased against anything like a TLM that even with the Indult granted he refused to allow the EF and neither will his succsessor.

 

[ConstantLearner]

I know we’re rare but I’m one of a few who is equally at home at a TLM or a Charismatic Mass. It takes a kinds. That’s all.

I can feel okay in either, too, and I like a little Latin at times. Our MC has a TLM every Sunday in addition to the English ones.

 

[Brendan_64]

even with the Indult granted he refused to allow the EF and neither will his succsessor.

Technically I don’t think a bishop can stop a priest from publicly celebrating the EF Mass, but would a priest want to act in opposition to his bishop’s views on this, even if he was within his rights to do so?

 

[PetraG]

I have seen many men wearing headgear inside churches. It is a cultural and preferential thing, nothing more.

I have seen a lot of people doing a lot of things inside churches, LOL. I would not teach a child that there is nothing wrong with wearing a man’s hat or a unisex hat in church.

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[PetraG]

Technically I don’t think a bishop can stop a priest from publicly celebrating the EF Mass, but would a priest want to act in opposition to his bishop’s views on this, even if he was within his rights to do so?

Technically, a bishop grants faculties for every liturgy in his diocese. He cannot deny the rights of the faithful but he can deny any faculties to a priest that he wants to deny.

 

[PetraG]

I agree with the others. Veils are not necessary. It’s just a piece of cloth. You son should feel free to play around with it. He’s 6.

I don’t think I’d give a six-year old the idea that he can play around with doing what he wants in church. There are times for playing dress-up and there are times that are not for playing dress-up. That is not an onerous boundary at any age.

 

[PetraG]

It wouldn’t be damaging for me. I used to have a black lace mantilla and a white lace one that I sometimes wore. I didn’t want to offend anyone, but I think what initially turned me off them was their use in several old horror films I saw. From there, it was all downhill. Didn’t even like lace anything lace.

As I said, the negativity is just my initial emotional reaction. I know it may be totally wrong, and I judge no one who wears one, even though I’d rather see a hat or no head covering at all.

Fair enough…that is, someone asked what you thought, so you offered the opinion that was asked of you. Nothing wrong with that!

 

[Brendan_64]

Can a bishop over-rule Summorum Pontificum in his own diocese?

If that is the case then what is the point of Summorum Pontificum? My understanding is that prior to Summorum Pontificum a bishop could grant permission for the EF to be said (or not) by individual priests in his diocese.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

Ok. I don’t know of any priest in that diocese that wants the EF, just a few of the faithfull.

Wait, do you mean the SSPX chapel? That’s a priest from another diocese.

 

[sallybutler]

I used to attend a church in Antioch, CA where the priest would remind everyone (in a joking, yet pointed way) that males do not wear hats in church. Everyone would laugh as the young men sheepishly removed their hats.

 

[TheLittleLady]

I am a mom who carries nice cotton or silk handkerchiefs in her purse.

 

[JamalChristophr]

I am rather disappointed how few people made any attempt at all to actually answer the OPs question from the very beginning and turned the topic into what they wanted to voice their opinion on.

I’m not perfect myself, but that seems rather inconsiderate towards the person who originally posted the question.

 

[PetraG]

I used to attend a church in Antioch, CA where the priest would remind everyone (in a joking, yet pointed way) that males do not wear hats in church. Everyone would laugh as the young men sheepishly removed their hats.

Some women do not realize that the rule also applies to them when the hat is “unisex.” For instance, if a co-ed baseball team were to go to into a church together or if a mixed group were touring a church, the women and the men ought to both take off the baseball caps.

 

[Irishmom2]

I have never heard of that.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

sallybutler:

I used to attend a church in Antioch, CA where the priest would remind everyone (in a joking, yet pointed way) that males do not wear hats in church. Everyone would laugh as the young men sheepishly removed their hats.

Some women do not realize that the rule also applies to them when the hat is “unisex.” For instance, if a co-ed baseball team were to go to into a church together or if a mixed group were touring a church, the women and the men ought to both take off the baseball caps.

While that may be culturally true, I don’t think its technically true. Nothing in head covering “rules” prohibits the use of “unisex” headcoverings.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

Probably not Canon Law, if it was still applied here, but etiquette does address baseball caps. All genders ate to remove them indoors, during the national anthem , and places of worship.

 

[PetraG]

While that may be culturally true, I don’t think its technically true. Nothing in head covering “rules” prohibits the use of “unisex” headcoverings.

Probably not Canon Law, if it was still applied here, but etiquette does address baseball caps. All genders ate to remove them indoors, during the national anthem , and places of worship.

Exactly. This is a “Miss Manners” or “Emily Post” kind of thing, not something that is enshrined in canon law.

[Does anyone here know who is the ultimate arbiter of liturgical norms, such as the points in the Mass at which a bishop removes his miter and then his zucchetto? Are these just things that the clergy “know”, things that go according to what a bishop decides is the norm in his diocese, or what?]

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Xanthippe_Voorhees:

While that may be culturally true, I don’t think its technically true. Nothing in head covering “rules” prohibits the use of “unisex” headcoverings.

Probably not Canon Law, if it was still applied here, but etiquette does address baseball caps. All genders ate to remove them indoors, during the national anthem , and places of worship.

Exactly. This is a “Miss Manners” or “Emily Post” kind of thing, not something that is enshrined in canon law.

And a Priest has no need to enforce cultural norms from the pulpit. It’s not in his pervue since the church allows for hats on women.

 

[PetraG]

And a Priest has no need to enforce cultural norms from the pulpit. It’s not in his pervue since the church allows for hats on women.

That is for his bishop to say, not his parishioners. If the bishop allows him to set a dress code and he sets one, then it is most definitely “his purview” to let his congregation know how they are expected to behave in the church over which he has been given authority.