SOS To PCED

[cothrige]

I find it to be highly disrespectful to be waging cyber-battle, comparing excommunications that are in force to those that lay individuals think should be enacted/enforced, based on said laity’s personal interpretations of what they think is going on, probably without full knowledge of all the facts and details.

Neither you nor I sit in the Chair of Peter. But I suppose you could submit your resume to Rome, and perhaps they might enlist you to clean up the Church.

Yes, of course. By hearing the Holy Father and submitting to his judgment I am making pretense of sitting on the Chair of Peter!

I may not know everything, but I do know that Pope Benedict has clearly stated what should be done, and my bishop has flatly refused to submit to that. He has also used his office to prevent other people from being able to submit. But if I disagree with these people then I am wrong?!? Disobedient myself, and certainly proudly seeking the role of Pope for myself. I wonder if you would have such scruples about my position if my bishop were a traditionalist?

As it is, I think I will simply reply to your view with the same sentiment you have directed to me in the past. Your opinion means nothing to me. I only care what the Holy Father thinks, and even if a bishop decides he knows better I will not concede such. I certainly don’t view you as knowing better. Either accept the Pope’s prudential judgments regarding the Mass or continue to defend disobedience. It is your affair, not mine.

 

[ethelzguy]

As it is, I think I will simply reply to your view with the same sentiment you have directed to me in the past. Your opinion means nothing to me. I only care what the Holy Father thinks, and even if a bishop decides he knows better I will not concede such. **I certainly don’t view you as knowing better. ** Either accept the Pope’s prudential judgments regarding the Mass or continue to defend disobedience. It is your affair, not mine.

Likewise. The Holy Father is the authority, not you or I.

Again, you make blanket statements with a lack of knowledge or understanding of all the facts. Neither you nor I can possible know all the details of the things we see, or think we see.

Sitting at a keyboard, passing judgement on the Pope and his handling of the Bishops of the Church is pure, utter, arrogance.

 

[cothrige]

Again, you make blanket statements with a lack of knowledge or understanding of all the facts.

Please show me where I have made these blanket statements.

Neither you nor I can possible know all the details of the things we see, or think we see.

So, quit accusing people and passing judgments.

Sitting at a keyboard, passing judgement on the Pope and his handling of the Bishops of the Church is pure, utter, arrogance.

Really? You sure feel comfortable passing judgment on priests and Bishops. Why no trouble for you there? You also feel very comfortable passing judgment on Catholics for seeking nothing but obedience to the Holy Father and calling disobedience what it is when they see it. That doesn’t seem to trouble you in the least. Funny but your conscience only seems to trouble you in regard to what you think others are doing, but never gets in the way of what you do.

 

[universalindult]

Cardinal Hoyos has stated:

"priests can decide, without permission from the Holy See or the bishop, to celebrate the Mass in the ancient rite. And this holds true for all priests…It is not therefore necessary to ask any other permission…The Code of Canon Law says who must give permission to say Mass and it is not the bishop: The bishop gives the “celebret,” the power to be able to celebrate *, but when a priest has this power, it is the parish priest and the chaplain who must grant the altar to celebrate. If anyone impedes him, it is up to the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, in the name of the Holy Father, to take measures until this right is respected…The Pope does not impose the obligation; the Pope does impose offering this possibility where the faithful request it. If there is a conflict, the authority of the bishop must intervene to avoid it, but without canceling the right that the Pope gave to the entire Church.”

*Asked whether the Latin Mass would be celebrated in many ordinary parishes in future, Cardinal Castrillon said: **“Not many parishes – all parishes. The Holy Father is offering this not only for the few groups who demand it, but so that everybody knows this way of celebrating the Eucharist.”

“All this liturgical richness, all this spiritual richness, and all the prayers so well-preserved during the centuries, all of this is offered by the Rome of today for all. As a gift for all, it is not a gift merely for the so-called traditionalists. No, it is a gift for the whole Catholic Church"…

*The cardinal said that parishes and priests should make available the Extraordinary Form so that *“everyone may have access to this treasure of the ancient liturgy of the Church.” He also stressed that, “even if it is not specifically asked for, or requested” it should be provided. …so that “young communities can also become familiar with this rite.”

It is enlightening to compare the words of Cardinal Hoyos and Archbishop Ranjith to some of the comments on this thread. It certainly puts things into proper perspective.

 

[ethelzguy]

Really? You sure feel comfortable passing judgment on priests and Bishops. Why no trouble for you there?

Where do I pass judgement on priests and bishops? Unless of course, you’re referring to the priests and bishops in an irregular state, aka SSPX?

 

[MrS]

If the parish priest is not capable or willing to give the people a TLM, then the ordinary is required to provide instruction or provide a celebrant who can fulfill the request of the stable few.

Interesting to note that Benedict calls them stable.

Interesting to note that Benedict instructs the bishops to insure the offering of the TLM.

Interesting to note that the married guy living with Ethel does not see that.

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[I_Believe]

Cardinal Hoyos has stated:

It is enlightening to compare the words of Cardinal Hoyos and Archbishop Ranjith to some of the comments on this thread. It certainly puts things into proper perspective.

Indeed ! Just as John XIII said "STOP THE COUNCIL ", we seem to now be hearing the screaming of …

“STOP THE PENDULUM !”