South Africa seizing white owned farms

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…the ANC is a racist, corrupt political party and government, running their country into the ground, and they see this as a way to appease their base and take eyes off their incompetence. Because sticking it to the white man is always popular among black africans.
Perhaps. Although it must be remembered that the less pleasant aspects of the ANC’s policies are the direct, inevitable result of generations of brutal, degrading, murderous, violent theft of the property of black Africans, along with horrible oppression and denial of the most basic human rights. This only began to end very, very recently, practically yesterday, in the scheme of things.
 
Yes. I traveled around South Africa quite a bit. Johannesburg was terrifying. Everyone (well, everyone white) was armed. Capetown wasn’t nearly as bad. Pretoria was somewhere in the middle.
 
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John24:
The wheels of justice turn slowly, but I’m glad they’re finally turning.
Retribution over multiple generations isn’t justice, it’s revenge.
If I steal something and pass that someone on to my son and he passes it on to his son, do you think that invalidates the original owners moral claim on what was stolen from him? Think of it not as retribution but as restoration of stolen property.
 
I suspect if Eminent Domain was announced as only being enforced against white folks in the US, it would be even less popular.
Eminent Domain is not the correct description of what is going on. Eminent Domain describes what happens when a rightful owner has his property taken from him (usually with compensation) to be put to a different use. It does not describe taking stolen property away from a thief and giving it back to the rightful owner.
 
If I steal something and pass that someone on to my son and he passes it on to his son, do you think that invalidates the original owners moral claim on what was stolen from him? Think of it not as retribution but as restoration of stolen property.
If you can prove it was stolen, you have a case. If you think it was sold too cheap, you are just whinging.

The land is SA wasn’t stolen from the black population currently living there.
 
Do you think that’s true of Afrikaners too?
I don’t know. I don’t think I’ve ever met one before.
English South Africans do sound like other Brit colonials
From my experience and what I’ve heard, nearly everyone from South Africa and are native English speakers all sound Aussie/Kiwi. There are certain sounds or the way they speak that give them away as not being from the London-Southern England area. I just don’t know how to describe them.
 
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They’ll blend in better vocally. Australian, Kiwi and South African accents sound the same to me and others. I know that might offend some. Sorry.
I can easily tell a South African from an Australian or a New Zealander by his or her accent. I admit that I cannot tell Australians from New Zealanders, though.

And none of them sound anything like any other English speakers, certainly not from anywhere in the UK or from Ireland, and absolutely not like any Americans or Canadians.
 
I have never deeply researched it. My information about the land acquisition comes chiefly from Alan Paton’s “Cry the Beloved Country”, which I consider not a terrible source. Anyway, it appears the Dutch arrived at about the same time as the Zulu did; perhaps a bit earlier. The area was then very thinly populated. The Dutch and the Zulu fought, then more or less divided up the country between them. The English came in, fought against both and took over the country, largely leaving land ownership in place.

The natives from whom the land was actually “taken” were “bushmen” hunter-gatherers who were pushed off the land by both the Dutch and the Zulu.

Later, more and more and more black tribesmen came into the area; sometimes fighting the Dutch, sometimes the English and sometimes the Zulu. Eventually, other tribes outnumbered the Zulu who were largely pushed into a province called Natal.

But it’s my understanding people can move around within the country. Zulu are not restricted to Natal. There are a couple of “independent homelands” within the country that have long been ruled by tribal rulers.

So, the parties from which the land was “taken” were the Bushmen, of whom few ever existed and of whom even fewer are left. The “original settlers” otherwise are the Boers and the Zulu.
 
It’s like our friends north of the border…they can get offended if asked if they are Americans…aye
Canadians are Americans! They live in the Country of Canda on the North American continent. Just as you live in the country of the United States of America on the continent of North America.
 
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I suspect if Eminent Domain was announced as only being enforced against white folks in the US, it would be even less popular.
Eminent Domain is not the correct description of what is going on. Eminent Domain describes what happens when a rightful owner has his property taken from him (usually with compensation) to be put to a different use. It does not describe taking stolen property away from a thief and giving it back to the rightful owner.
I wonder if you own anything that was stolen? Do you own property by chance? How about your parents? The second you give your property back to the native americans it was stolen from or accuse your parents of owning stolen property is when I will take you serious. Until then you are someone who thinks it is ok to give away other people stuff while protecting your own.
 
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Dr_Meinheimer:
I suspect if Eminent Domain was announced as only being enforced against white folks in the US, it would be even less popular.
Eminent Domain is not the correct description of what is going on. Eminent Domain describes what happens when a rightful owner has his property taken from him (usually with compensation) to be put to a different use. It does not describe taking stolen property away from a thief and giving it back to the rightful owner.
I wonder if you own anything that was stolen? Do you own property by chance? How about your parents? The second you give your property back to the native americans it was stolen from or accuse your parents of owning stolen property is when I will take you serious. Until then you are someone who thinks it is ok to give away other people stuff while protecting your own.
Discuss the issues and not each other.
 
I wonder if you own anything that was stolen? Do you own property by chance? How about your parents? The second you give your property back to the native americans it was stolen from or accuse your parents of owning stolen property is when I will take you serious. Until then you are someone who thinks it is ok to give away other people stuff while protecting your own.
I absolutely do. This area was “owned” by some Indians who appear to have had some relationship with Caddoans. The Osage stole it from them, killing and driving them out. Then tribes like the Kickapoo, Chickasaw and Delaware drove out the Osage. Then European settlers partially drove out, partially intermarried with the Kickapoo, Chickasaw and Delaware. Then Yankees drove out some, but not all of the landowners during Reconstruction. The government of the U.S. gave much of it to the railroads to finance them. The railroads sold it to immigrants. Some was homesteaded. Some was sold by the government to the Missouri Land and Cattle Co of Scotland. Some of that was sold, but some was acquired by adverse possession by locals. Some was given to soldiers who fought in the Blackhawk War. I bought it from the previous owner.

So who gets it?
 
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Racist oppressors generally aren’t too popular with the victims of that oppression.
Who are the “racist oppressors”, the minority whites having their property seized or the majority blacks doing the seizing?
 
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