Spaghetti straps on little girls' First Communion dresses

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My point exactly. I think they look very elegant and formal… and not provocative in the least. So I’m not sure what the fuss is about. Is it just legalism maybe? Just because some skin is showing? 🤷
I don’t think it has to do with legalism, but more, as PaulinVA points out, taste. 🙂
I think you are right. We were taught differently what is in good taste and what isn’t. I don’t mean that to be snarky. I think it’s true.

Trying to apply a standard to people across cultures and across generations is indeed dificult. We both (We all on this thread, really) think we are correct based on how we were raised and our experience. That clashes with what others think.

I would like to think there is objective truth in this, but I don’t know.
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I think you are right. We were taught differently what is in good taste and what isn’t. I don’t mean that to be snarky. I think it’s true.

Trying to apply a standard to people across cultures and across generations is indeed dificult. We both (We all on this thread, really) think we are correct based on how we were raised and our experience. That clashes with what others think.

I would like to think there is objective truth in this, but I don’t know.
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Of the last 20 weddings I’ve attended, probably 19 of the brides have worn strapless. It’s just what’s in fashion right now. I don’t see any of the parishes objecting.
Yes. I do weddings almost every weekend and practically all of the bridal gowns are strapless. When I got married, it was very difficult to find gowns with straps or sleeves. I found one with these wide triangular-shaped “straps”. Don’t know how else to describe them except they might also be considered like cap sleeves. Some of the parishes where I’ve freelanced (now, keep in mind, I’ve cantored at over 100 different parishes for weddings in 8 different states in the last 10+ years, so I think I’ve pretty much seen it all when it comes to fashion and rules at different parishes. I realize that most people don’t have as much experience with weddings.) will insist that the bride and bridesmaids have their shoulders covered. Some will make allowances for the bride if she is wearing a veil which will cover the shoulders. Many don’t have much of a say at all what the bride and bridesmaids wear.

First Holy Communions are a completely different story, though. I haven’t been to one in years and because of this thread, I took a look at First Holy Communion dresses and was surprised at how so many of the dresses look like bridal gowns now. I mean, when I was a kid, it wasn’t a surprise to see dresses look like a little girl princess dress, but now I’m seeing ones that have trains and bustles and everything that you’d expect on a bridal gowns. To me, if a parish has rules and guidelines as to what is to be worn for a First Holy Communion, the family should abide by the rules and not have a fit about it. Even though I wouldn’t care if a girl was wearing spaghetti straps (although I personally would not allow it with my daughter or with myself at mass) without a cover, if the church says she has to wear a sweater/shrug/bolero, then just follow the rules and buy a sweater. Besides, it might be cold in the church. 😃 It’s like when some churches insist that you can only use the veils provided by the school for FHC so that all the girls will look the same up top and not have veils that look like bridal veils (like my school did). You just do it and not have a fit about it.
 
With all this talk about strapless dresses and spaghetti straps, it reminded me of this pic a fellow musician friend recently put on my Facebook page as we are always looking at strapless dresses during weddings… just to add a little levity.

http://www.sicklolz.com/sites/defau...e your bridesmaids wear strapless dresses.jpg
That is priceless! The problem, too, is a woman who spends a good deal of time outdoors isn’t in the habit of wearing strapless garments will have some variation on what is known in my circle as a “farmer’s tan” or a “jogger’s tan”. It’s not very becoming with a strapless gown!

Let’s not even get started with the current generation’s infatuation with tattoos! :eek:

But this is about First Communicants, and so we digress…:rolleyes:
 
Of the last 20 weddings I’ve attended, probably 19 of the brides have worn strapless. It’s just what’s in fashion right now. I don’t see any of the parishes objecting.
Usually the bridal party of strapless dresses just spend their day/evening hiking the dresses up. 😉 Thefunny thing is when you sit behind someone wearing a strapless (or even some haltar dresses) dress, she looks like she’s not wearing anything because all you see is bare skin! Just a weird look if you ask me!
 
That is priceless! The problem, too, is a woman who spends a good deal of time outdoors isn’t in the habit of wearing strapless garments will have some variation on what is known in my circle as a “farmer’s tan” or a “jogger’s tan”. It’s not very becoming with a strapless gown!

Let’s not even get started with the current generation’s infatuation with tattoos! :eek:

But this is about First Communicants, and so we digress…:rolleyes:
haha! Isn’t that the way of participating in a thread? 😛
 
Let’s not even get started with the current generation’s infatuation with tattoos! :eek:
At least others from the same generation have countered this infatuation with the rather (IMO appropriately) judgemental label of “tramp stamp”. Unfortunately, there’s no equivalent derogatory term for men who get inked…other than “inmate” (for some of them anyway).

Apologies to anyone reading this with a tattoo…I’m sure yours is very tasteful.
 
At least others from the same generation have countered this infatuation with the rather (IMO appropriately) judgemental label of “tramp stamp”. Unfortunately, there’s no equivalent derogatory term for men who get inked…other than “inmate” (for some of them anyway).

Apologies to anyone reading this with a tattoo…I’m sure yours is very tasteful.
Yes, but even tasteful tattoos look a bit off in a wedding party dressed in tuxes and gowns. Likewise, I think our First Communicants would look off in overly “individualized” colors and designs in their nail polish. It is sort of like when altar servers (boy or girl) wear loud-colored shoes with their albs. The shoes might look just fine as a matching part of an outfit–neon tennis shoes look fine with a matching neon polo shirt!–but use them to bottom off a white linen-look robe, and it just looks silly.
 
I think you are right. We were taught differently what is in good taste and what isn’t. I don’t mean that to be snarky. I think it’s true.
I have to agree with what you say. From my perspective, I don’t think a shoulder alone is enough to be a distraction to my generation anymore. And I don’t necessarily think it’s a BAD thing for society to gain the ability to ignore bare shoulders. Just like how we all eventually learned to ignore bare necks, knees, and ankles. For my sisters and I the modesty bar is set more at how high the dress comes up to hide the cleavage and avoiding any plunging necklines. What’s done with the shoulders is negligible.
At least others from the same generation have countered this infatuation with the rather (IMO appropriately) judgemental label of “tramp stamp”. Unfortunately, there’s no equivalent derogatory term for men who get inked…other than “inmate” (for some of them anyway).
I’m pretty sure a “tramp stamp” is a specific type of tattoo found on the lower back. It’s not a general term for tattooed women or tattoos found on women.
 
Thank you!!
So now you have a secret code for communicating recipes? What is the Back Fence?

I still think spaghetti sauce is a much more interesting topic than the present one.

How can there be so much to say over the issue of spaghetti straps? Let the priest decide. Or if he doesn’t, my little girl is not going to her first Holy Communion with a bare shoulder dress. End of story. 🤷
 
So now you have a secret code for communicating recipes? What is the Back Fence?

I still think spaghetti sauce is a much more interesting topic than the present one.

How can there be so much to say over the issue of spaghetti straps? Let the priest decide. Or if he doesn’t, my little girl is not going to her first Holy Communion with a bare shoulder dress. End of story. 🤷
Back Fence is a forum section lol. Like right now we are on the “Family Life” forum. Go to the back fence forum if you wanna see Mary Gail’s secret recipe.
 
Speaking of recipes, I’m hungry after reading this thread! It’s put me in the mood for horse meat that is nice and tender after being beaten repeatedly…

Anybody have a good recipe for that?
 
Speaking of recipes, I’m hungry after reading this thread! It’s put me in the mood for horse meat that is nice and tender after being beaten repeatedly…

Anybody have a good recipe for that?
Thankfully, we neither beat nor waterboard live horses here. Yes, beating a dead horse makes it very tender, but not so tasty, I’m afraid. I think you would be better off with one of the recipes for Italian meatballs in the Back Fence forum. forums.catholic-questions.org/forumdisplay.php?f=77
 
Speaking of recipes, I’m hungry after reading this thread! It’s put me in the mood for horse meat that is nice and tender after being beaten repeatedly…

Anybody have a good recipe for that?
If you beat around a few bushes, you may be able to find one.
 
I’m curious why you need to know the founders and location, I don’t really see what they have to do with anything… well, I guess thats not true, the founders do to some extent, but only because they have to be people who truly cared about modesty and continued the tradition of modesty from the past cultures that goes back however many thousands of years, no?

As for population size and proximity of members, its pretty much all contained in one town, so its not huge, but the members are, like I already told you, very close together, your problems of being spread out do not at all apply.
Ok listen, you want me to make a judgement about your community. You make the following claims
  1. Your community is a very tightly knit community
  2. It is founded by those who carried on the values from pre-sexual revolution age.
Then you want me to comment on whether the values of this society are modest and its relative effectiveness.

To answer that, you have to tell me about (1) and (2). Otherwise you are simply someone dreaming about a community that does not exist. You keep saying that the community is very tightly knit, founders are great people etc. But where is the proof? For all we know, the founders might have made exceptions to the modesty rule that do not work. For an example, the founders could have said something like modesty not something to worry about if you feel there is a need to dress the way you do. Such a rule, as legitimate as it may be with qualifications, is not generally true. But a society that founds itself on such distorted values will end up with very distorted and even immodest values.

So please, stop dancing around and if you have something to say, please say it honestly. I am not under test. Neither are you under test. It is this hypothetical or illusory community you speak of that is under test. Alright? Because otherwise you are wasting my time and yours.
 
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