Spanish catholic church disobeys goverment about the refendum in catalonia

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Eh, I don’t see the problem with secession. Heck, we did it back in '76. If California wants to leave I won’t complain.
 
Entwhistler said:
Eh, I don’t see the problem with secession. Heck, we did it back in '76. If California wants to leave I won’t complain.
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If they did that then your no longer the United States of America. Should the Country be split into blue and red Countries at every election? where Trump is president of the most part of the Country (Red states) and Clinton is president of the rest (Blue states)? If so then that’s not democratic, democracy is where majority rule and everyone gets a say, not where everyone goes their separate ways based on the vote if it doesn’t suit them, that defeats the purpose of democracy altogether.

It was Abraham Lincoln who rightly said that a house divided against itself cannot stand.

God Bless

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I agree in principle, but it’s not going to do Catalonia any good to be a Marxist or a mason state. If they aren’t going to be a free market area, people will just move to greater Spain or Andorra and they’ll be bled dry.

Otherwise, Miguel’s concerns about the state of the Church in Spain and Catalonia are correct. It’s the worse it’s been in decades.
 
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It was Abraham Lincoln who rightly said that a house divided against itself cannot stand.
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That’s true, but neither can a society that promotes abortion, destroys the family and puts adult pleasure ahead of the needs of children.
 
SuperLuigi said:
That’s true, but neither can a society that promotes abortion, destroys the family and puts adult pleasure ahead of the needs of children.
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True, hoping that can be turned back though, but respecting democracy, we do not decide to break away and form our own Country inside the United States or Australia because the vote didn’t suit us in these areas, as that is undemocratic.

Instead we dialogue with our fellow Australians and Americans and we vote to remove these grave errors. That’s how as a Country one moves forward.

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Ideally not. I guess maybe we disagree here, but I wouldn’t mind seeing California take a temporary leave of absence. There’s an independence movement there largely driven by rage over Trump winning.

I think people would learn some lessons very quick if that happened.

My thoughts are always with the unborn, and with the international push by global elites in the West especially in the EU and the UN to destroy the family, more borders just make their job harder. And a lot of these people don’t want to work that hard, they just want the big-time benefits.

The more we can stop-up the drain, the better it may be.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Ideally not. I guess maybe we disagree here, but I wouldn’t mind seeing California take a temporary leave of absence. There’s an independence movement there largely driven by rage over Trump winning.

I think people would learn some lessons very quick if that happened.
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That’s what I feel like sometimes too, wish them good luck and on their way, they made their bed, they can lay in it.

The problem with this though, is that they voted to keep Trump from the presidency, they shared in the Federal decisions and results under Obama whom they shared in electing, and now they are trashing the will of the people when the result doesn’t suit them. They can’t do that in a democracy because that’s undemocratic. They need to respect the will of the people as everyone else does.

Also, if they were to split away, then who gets what? Can the Country of California be a Nuclear power?
SuperLuigi said:
My thoughts are always with the unborn, and with the international push by global elites in the West especially in the EU and the UN to destroy the family, more borders just make their job harder. And a lot of these people don’t want to work that hard, they just want the big-time benefits.
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I agree, but more borders is not always better when it comes to a Country like the United States, which has achieved it’s strength precisely because they are United, if they start breaking off, how strong do you think America will be?
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The more we can stop-up the drain, the better it may be.
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We don’t want to ‘stop-up’ the swamp, we want to drain it, that was the election promise. 🙂

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Where does anything say anything about atheist, masons, and communists? I can’t find any literature on that.
 
Rhubarb i only read that kind of things in spanish, but you have videos and books ok E.Michael Jones a catholic man that can help you out with that. Also Father Malachi Martin and Father gregory Hesse and so on… Im not a sedevacantist at all just saying.

Manuel Gomez Guerra
Ricardo de la Cierva
Cesar VIdal

These are great authors about masonery in spanish they may have something translated to english.

Beside that my biggest concerc about our church today is the ecumenism the false ecumenism with demons worshiper like hindus, and native religions of south america. I think participating in other ceremonies of non trinitarian christian are disgrace to us.

But well nowadays there a lot of clergy man who dont believe in the devil or they think the devil is capitalism or your ugly face president trump. In spain is the same just politics instead of spiritually.
 
Well, the United States seceded from Great Britain back in the day. Same principle. What’s so free about forcing someone to stay when they don’t want to? However, I agree with SuperLuigi that Catalonian independence might not be the best idea seeing as how they seem to be Marxists and Masons heading it.
 
Scotland has the same issue. A lot of Scots want to leave the UK just so they can be part of the EU and get that easy Merkel and Marcon money.–while it lasts. I’m not sure what Catalonia has in mind with the EU, but like their Basque cousins, a lot of them have wanted out of Spain for a while, which doesn’t necessarily mean the EU.
 
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Okay, I don’t know or will comment about what’s going on with the church.

But I know that characterizing a movement based on polemics of its opponents isn’t exactly fair. I would need to see evidence from the movement itself. I’ve never known a communistic movement to not be unabashedly communist.
 
NATO and EU supported the independence of Kosovo from Serbia. Why don’t they support the independence of Catalonia from Spain? Perhaps because Spain is an ally of the USA whereas Serbia is an ally of Russia?
 
Ugly face president trump? Why do I get the impression we are dealing with a kid?
 
From the mouth if babes?

I suspect it’s a language barrier, though.
 
The US is headed by Marxists and Masons. So is the EU and most European countries. It might be good that they have their own region. It takes away their political power elsewhere. It is sort of how minority gerrymandered districts actually helped Republicans.
 
I agree. If the Spanish government does not want Catalonia the freedom to leave, they should find another way than violence to end it. Thug-like police actions only cement the Catalonians as martyers for freedom and makes Spain look like a dictatorship. I’m sure there are better ways to convince Catalonia to stay.
 
Doncha just hate it when the truth of the Gospel conflicts with the convenience of your political paradigm? God Bless the Bishops of Spain!
 
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