Spanking in Brazil

[Prophesy]

I figure that people might find this interesting and may spark some discussions:

Brazilian President Seeks to Outlaw Spanking – Lifesite News
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/jul/10071602.html

-Prophecy

 

[VetA]

:banghead:

 

[teachccd]

I never found that spanking is necessary in disciplining your kids. Most of the time it is done in anger and not merely for the discipline but for a release of anger. I have three kids and I never spanked any of them. I used other measures of discipline and they are very effective. My kids are all very respectful and responsible. My oldest is now 26 and my youngest is 16.

I was spanked as a child and all I remember is the anger that went along with the hitting. Why should any human being have the right to hit another human being? What gives a parent the right to smack a child but yet if a teacher does it they are in very big trouble? No one has to be subjected to being struck by anyone. It seems that it is rejected in all other secular situations but in parenting it is supposed to be accepted. It makes no sense.

Throw you tomatoes at me and tell me how wrong I am. I really don’t care because that will never make someone who wants to hit a child right. Yes, make spanking illegal or else make it legal for me to punch my neighbor when he complains about my trash barrels being in his way…

 

[white_sheep]

Spanking is already illegal in almost all Western countries except the U.S. We’re more religious than they are. The whole spare the rod and spoil the child part is still hanging around.

 

[Gloria1]

African and some Caribbean children are very obedient to their parents and teachers why because Africans and Caribbeans believe in ‘spare the rod and spoil the child’. Teachers have the right to lash disobedient students in Africa. Parents have the right to spank disobedient children in the Caribbean. Western countries believe in ‘modern civilization’. Western countries spare the rod and the kids turn drug addicts.

 

[Windfish]

I never found that spanking is necessary in disciplining your kids. Most of the time it is done in anger and not merely for the discipline but for a release of anger. I have three kids and I never spanked any of them. I used other measures of discipline and they are very effective. My kids are all very respectful and responsible. My oldest is now 26 and my youngest is 16.

I was spanked as a child and all I remember is the anger that went along with the hitting. Why should any human being have the right to hit another human being? What gives a parent the right to smack a child but yet if a teacher does it they are in very big trouble? No one has to be subjected to being struck by anyone. It seems that it is rejected in all other secular situations but in parenting it is supposed to be accepted. It makes no sense.

Throw you tomatoes at me and tell me how wrong I am. I really don’t care because that will never make someone who wants to hit a child right. Yes, make spanking illegal or else make it legal for me to punch my neighbor when he complains about my trash barrels being in his way…

Obviously, spanking shouldn’t be the go-to consequence for a child misbehaving ALL the time, but some children DO need it to and some actions DO call for it. I was spanked, belted, etc. So were my three other siblings. If you were to ask them what they think of spanking, they would probably say the same thing I would, which is: it has made me a better and more mature person. All four of us are quite intelligent and teachers have remarked that we’re mature beyond our years. The youngest, 16, will be a senior in high school, and she’s in the top range of her class. Now, all of that isn’t due to just spanking p), but I’d like to think that it helped us to have a healthy dose of cynicism. Maybe that’s not the right word, how about realism?

 

[Windfish]

African and some Caribbean children are very obedient to their parents and teachers why because Africans and Caribbeans believe in ‘spare the rod and spoil the child’. Teachers have the right to lash disobedient students in Africa. Parents have the right to spank disobedient children in the Caribbean. Western countries believe in ‘modern civilization’. Western countries spare the rod and the kids turn drug addicts.

Really? No discipline and all the candy little Billy wants? That works?

 

[teachccd]

Obviously, spanking shouldn’t be the go-to consequence for a child misbehaving ALL the time, but some children DO need it to and some actions DO call for it. I was spanked, belted, etc. So were my three other siblings. If you were to ask them what they think of spanking, they would probably say the same thing I would, which is: it has made me a better and more mature person. All four of us are quite intelligent and teachers have remarked that we’re mature beyond our years. The youngest, 16, will be a senior in high school, and she’s in the top range of her class. Now, all of that isn’t due to just spanking p), but I’d like to think that it helped us to have a healthy dose of cynicism. Maybe that’s not the right word, how about realism?

Isn’t it quite interesting that my children mirror you and your siblings with the teacher’s comments and all without the spankings? My oldest son (26) graduated high school with a 4.3 GPA and is now married and very responsible. All three of my kids have received numerous comments on their respect and kindness. My 16 year old daughter is a straight A student and could not be more respectful of others and she is definitely mature beyond her years mentally and spiritually.

As parents we found that proper and constant communication along with discipline formed our children into the people that they are today. Can anyone tell me why we must hit our kids? I found that taking away their favorite things or withholding a fun time was just as effective if not more so. The “rod” in the “spare the rod spoil the child” does not have to be a smack across the face or a tug of the hair or a swat on the butt. The “rod” can take on many forms of discipline that do not include bodily pain.

When we grew up and were spanked and whipped all I remember is the anger that my mom would exhibit. I rarely see parents talk to their kids and then say , " ok now I am going to have to slap you so that this pain will remind you not to do whatever again". No, what I see are desparately angered parents lashing our with a smack because their patience has been tested beyond what is tolerable… When my dog acts up I used to takd a rolled up newspaper and swat her on the behind. But guess what? I was told that that is cruel and ineffective. What? It’s ok to smack a child but not a dog?

In closing I will uphold my obviously rewarding opinion that hitting a child is not necessary for proper formation of character. In fact, I will uphold that the opposite is many times the result. It got so bad in my early years that I promised never to spank my kids seeing how ridiculous all of this exhibited anger is. People do not need to inflict bodily pain to anyone especially children. It is wrong. “Spare the rod, spoil the child” is a fundamentalistic approach to a scripture passage when taken literally. Maybe if our eye causes us to sin we should “Pluck it out” Has anyone here plucked out their eyes? Then don’t hit your kids…

 

[teachccd]

African and some Caribbean children are very obedient to their parents and teachers why because Africans and Caribbeans believe in ‘spare the rod and spoil the child’. Teachers have the right to lash disobedient students in Africa. Parents have the right to spank disobedient children in the Caribbean. Western countries believe in ‘modern civilization’. Western countries spare the rod and the kids turn drug addicts.

Really? So all of our children addicted to drugs were never spanked? Where can I obtain these statistics? So our “modern civilization” should include smacking our kids and then our drug problems would cease? Wow!! Why didn’t I think of that? Oh wait, I never spanked my kids and none of them are drug addicts or have ever been in trouble with the law.

Should there be a law that irresponsible parents can be smacked when deemed necessary? When I see parents that let thier little kids run around the neighborhood unsupervised can I ring their doorbell and smack them upside the head? This whole hitting think is obsurd and a great excuse for releasing our anger. And , my God, why would we want to do this on our own children as if bodily pain is the only and most effective form of discipline. Wake up…

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

I never found that spanking is necessary in disciplining your kids. Most of the time it is done in anger and not merely for the discipline but for a release of anger. I have three kids and I never spanked any of them. I used other measures of discipline and they are very effective. My kids are all very respectful and responsible. My oldest is now 26 and my youngest is 16.

I was spanked as a child and all I remember is the anger that went along with the hitting. Why should any human being have the right to hit another human being? What gives a parent the right to smack a child but yet if a teacher does it they are in very big trouble? No one has to be subjected to being struck by anyone. It seems that it is rejected in all other secular situations but in parenting it is supposed to be accepted. It makes no sense.

Throw you tomatoes at me and tell me how wrong I am. I really don’t care because that will never make someone who wants to hit a child right. Yes, make spanking illegal or else make it legal for me to punch my neighbor when he complains about my trash barrels being in his way…

I appreciate your perspective.

I often hear that spanking should not be done in anger. What I don’t understand, is if one is calm, why not think of something that does not involve hitting.

I’m not sure about making spanking illegal…but I see your point about punching your neighbor.

 

[constantseeker]

If you have to resort to violence to disciplin your kids, you have already failed them as a parent.

Spanking is assault. It is violence.

 

[Seamus_L]

I think we all know it has a definite Biblical precedent. Too often in the perverted West, it’s believed that a violent and defiant child needs to be medicated and not smacked.

 

[teachccd]

I appreciate your perspective.

I often hear that spanking should not be done in anger. What I don’t understand, is if one is calm, why not think of something that does not involve hitting.

I’m not sure about making spanking illegal…but I see your point about punching your neighbor.

Exactly!

 

[teachccd]

I think we all know it has a definite Biblical precedent. Too often in the perverted West, it’s believed that a violent and defiant child needs to be medicated and not smacked.

Is this the passage we should follow?

2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB

**23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. “Go up, baldhead,” they shouted, “go up, baldhead!” ****24 The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the children to pieces. **

 

[teachccd]

If you have to resort to violence to disciplin your kids, you have already failed them as a parent.

Spanking is assault. It is violence.

If hitting a stranger is an assult in which one could be convicted, then what makes hitting kids acceptable? Either we can hit everyone as we see fit or we should hit no one.

I agree that good parenting does not have to involve striking your child.

 

[Seamus_L]

That it’s wrong is nothing more than modernist philosophy. If some children can be disciplined without corporal punishment, that’s wonderful, but there’s plenty out there who can’t. I guess quite a few of us here probably had evil and criminal parents who didn’t follow the Dr Spock method of training up children.

 

[teachccd]

That it’s wrong is nothing more than modernist philosophy. If some children can be disciplined without corporal punishment, that’s wonderful, but there’s plenty out there who can’t. I guess quite a few of us here probably had evil and criminal parents who didn’t follow the Dr Spock method of training up children.

Not hitting children is a “modernistic philosophy”? You actually believe that we must physically hit kids to form them into responsible adults? Back in the “Dr. Spock” days there were no diagnosis for such ailments as ADD, ADHD, autism, OCD and the many other mental disabilities that plague our children now and back then as well. When I was a child there were “good” kids and “bad” kids. Those who misbehaved had to be browbeaten in order for them to “understand” how it is that they should act.

Are you also in line with primative treatments of ither physical ailments as well? Is snake oil in your medicine cabinet? Get with the times and realize that it is a blessing that we have these medical advancements that recognize these certain behaviors that need either counseling or medication. Slapping a child with autism is not going to cause them to behave the way that might seem ideal.

Hitting a child is wrong,period. Schools have to come up with other measures of discipline and so should parents. Striking a child is NEVER ok. Can you imagine Jesus hitting a child? Can you imagine the Blessed Mother striking the young Jesus? Why would she have had to when we did enough of that to Him ourselves as she stood there and watched…teachccd

 

[Catholic90]

…:slapfight:…

 

[Prophesy]

Despite posting the link I do have to admit to being very wary of corporeal punishment for children. I’m not familiar with the practice of ‘spare the rod and spoil the child’, I assume it’s more based on praising good works?

-Prophecy

 

[shockerfan]

Not hitting children is a “modernistic philosophy”? You actually believe that we must physically hit kids to form them into responsible adults? Back in the “Dr. Spock” days there were no diagnosis for such ailments as ADD, ADHD, autism, OCD and the many other mental disabilities that plague our children now and back then as well. When I was a child there were “good” kids and “bad” kids. Those who misbehaved had to be browbeaten in order for them to “understand” how it is that they should act.

Are you also in line with primative treatments of ither physical ailments as well? Is snake oil in your medicine cabinet? Get with the times and realize that it is a blessing that we have these medical advancements that recognize these certain behaviors that need either counseling or medication. Slapping a child with autism is not going to cause them to behave the way that might seem ideal.

Hitting a child is wrong,period. Schools have to come up with other measures of discipline and so should parents. Striking a child is NEVER ok. Can you imagine Jesus hitting a child? Can you imagine the Blessed Mother striking the young Jesus? Why would she have had to when we did enough of that to Him ourselves as she stood there and watched…teachccd

Been reading your posts. You seem to draw no differences between spanking and hitting…kind of lumping everything together, and If I’m wrong please clarify. So if your child was going to stick their finger in an electric socket, and you slapped their hand and said “NO”, is that “hitting” (by your definition)?

I would say that spanking is one of a number of possible punishments that should be available to parents. I have two children in high school, with one being #1 in his class, and the other being in the top 5%. I have no discipline issues with either kids, and both are happy, well-adjusted, and good natured. I have used spanking as an option, probably having only spanked them a total of 5 or 6 times over their life. I have also used other forms of punishment including grounding, taking privileges away among other things.

I know the difference between spanking and beating, between a swat on the behind, and a fist upside the head. I certainly hope you are not lumping everything together. I’m glad your children are fine, and I hope you would be glad mine are fine too. Every child is different and as such respond differently to different kinds of punishments. Some kids (like me) never changed their behavior due to spanking, while others (my kids) absolutely changed their behavior due to a spanking. Bottom line, its up to the parents, and spanking should not be outlawed. Raise your children the way you see fit, and I will raise mine the way I see fit.