Special "Mass for Democrats" to be celebrated at San Jose diocesan cathedral

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Caveman said:
You’ll find many more references to the salvific power of Christ, than to social work. But in all fairness, whenever we are prompted in Sacred Scripture to help the poor, it’s in the Name of Jesus… not the Democratic Party. Get it?

Fire and Brimstone is a wonderful reminder to those who abandon Christ for a man-made institution… like the Democratic Party.

“Vatican included”, 'eh? I sure hope that doesn’t include The Holy Father when he speaks ex cathedra. BTW, I happen to kind of like “fancy gold chalices and perfect rubrics”. So does The Holy Father. So does Jesus. After all… Catholicism is the Church HE founded. And you know what they say about The Gates of Hell, don’t you? Also, speaking of “fallible human-made and run institutions”, does that include “Catholic Democrats of California”?

What organization are you talking about? “Catholic Democrats” or CUF?

PS, no condemnation for the Democratic Party advocating slaughtering millions upon millions of un-born children? So much for your much touted “working for the betterment of those who have less”. Or have your revisionist friends worked their verbal gymnasicts on you already on that particular point?
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You are apparently giving the Democratic Party almost Vatican-like status here, not me. 🤷 Where did I say or infer that other organizations were infallible. :confused:

Fire and Brimstone represent a religion inspired by fear, not of love towards others. Anything built on fear has a weak foundation and will not endure long.

Chalices are a symbol of the Liturgy of the Eucharist, gold plating came about later by the Roman Empire influences of the day. Adding gold is not helping the poor, and people have diverse spiritualities, so variances are allowed because of the makeup of the diverse human body of the Church.

Remember, Papal ex cathadra only dates back to Vatican I, 1860’s, and at that time was used as an attack on the office of Pope when it was introduced. It was considered absurd for a person to never be wrong and an insult to the Papal office in Rome.
 
Patrick Whelan, executive director of the Boston group is constantly attacking Bishop Sean O’Malley.

boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/11/18/cardinals_criticism_is_met_with_silence_by_democrats/
Patrick Whelan of Watertown is the executive director of Catholic Democrats, a national political network that started in Massachusetts during the last presidential election to defend Kerry, the Democratic nominee, after he was condemned by several Catholic bishops for supporting abortion rights.
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Response to article…

democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2307530&mesg_id=2307534
 
kristie_m said:
not defending, caveman, simply reserving judgement. If that makes me cowardly in your eyes, so be it. You’ve passed judgement on me just as quickly as you did Fr. Pedigo.

As far as shooting the messenger? No, I only ask that we keep the discussion civil.

I do not think this Mass is a good idea. Even if Fr. Pedigo were to speak vehemently against what the Catholic Democrats support, anyone who does not attend this Mass will already have the wrong impression. I’ve done what I can to express my concerns to the Bishop. I consider that taking a stand. I now have to trust him to follow up. But I cannot, and will not fault a man for a sin he has yet to commit.
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I cannot force you to recognize the obvious. Both Catholic Democrats and Fr Pedigo have made their stances abundantly clear.

But know this… your indignation towards me has simply fallen on deaf ears. You unwillingness to respond when I pointed out that when Christ saw that sin was imminent, He took action. But you won’t. I also asked you if you saw a toddler heading towards the deep end of the pool, would you still have a “wait till he crosses the line” attitude.
 
Caveman said:
You unwillingness to respond when I pointed out that when Christ saw that sin was imminent, He took action. But you won’t. I also asked you if you saw a toddler heading towards the deep end of the pool, would you still have a “wait till he crosses the line” attitude.
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Then I suggest you read your post again. I HAVE taken action in both contacting Fr. Pedigo and the Bishop. What would you have me do?
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
You mean the sin of not showing hospitality towards others? (meaning of that story)
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Read an orthodox commentary and you’ll know that there is much more to that story than lack of hospitality. In fact, St. Jude gives a short interpretation in Verse 7 of his epistle.
 
Caveman said:
(No where do they mention salvation of souls …
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I have noticed that this particular aspect of our faith has taken a back seat to charity, social justice, poltical correctness, etc. etc.

Whenever you call someone out on something wrong that could put their soul and other’s in danger you are accused of being judgmental, uncharitable and insensitive.

Hyjacking Mass to promote political agendas that are obviously againts anything Christ or His Church teaches is abhorrent.
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
Fire and Brimstone represent a religion inspired by fear, not of love towards others. Anything built on fear has a weak foundation and will not endure long.
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No, fire and brimstone are one of the necessary aspects of the truth that unfortunately are not being preached enough anymore. That is one big reason why so many Catholics are so wishy washy about the Faith. They have the I’m ok, You’re ok attitude and don’t believe anyone will go to Hell for turning their backs on God and His teaching. Yes, Love is one of the messages we were given by God, but so is the reality of sin and eternal death because of unrepented sin.
Chalices are a symbol of the Liturgy of the Eucharist, gold plating came about later by the Roman Empire influences of the day. Adding gold is not helping the poor, and people have diverse spiritualities, so variances are allowed because of the makeup of the diverse human body of the Church.
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The gold and silver of the chalices are in respect of Christ. He is held in those chalices so it is fitting that precious metals be used to make these vessels. You are sounding a bit like what you read in Mt. 26 vs 7 and following; Mk. 14 vs 3 and following; Jn. 12 vs 3 and following.
Remember, Papal ex cathadra only dates back to Vatican I, 1860’s, and at that time was used as an attack on the office of Pope when it was introduced. It was considered absurd for a person to never be wrong and an insult to the Papal office in Rome.
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Have you read and taken in Mt. 16??? It clearly shows the infallibility of Peter, and following popes, in matters of official teaching. The VI definition of papal infallibility was merely to clear up some confusion and dissent at the time conerning same. Dogmatic declarations are NOT new teaching, they are merely clearly defining what an already held Doctrine means so there can be no confusion on the subject.
 
Ilroy said:
No, fire and brimstone are one of the necessary aspects of the truth that unfortunately are not being preached enough anymore. That is one big reason why so many Catholics are so wishy washy about the Faith. They have the I’m ok, You’re ok attitude and don’t believe anyone will go to Hell for turning their backs on God and His teaching. Yes, Love is one of the messages we were given by God, but so is the reality of sin and eternal death because of unrepented sin.

The gold and silver of the chalices are in respect of Christ. He is held in those chalices so it is fitting that precious metals be used to make these vessels. You are sounding a bit like what you read in Mt. 26 vs 7 and following; Mk. 14 vs 3 and following; Jn. 12 vs 3 and following.

Have you read and taken in Mt. 16??? It clearly shows the infallibility of Peter, and following popes, in matters of official teaching. The VI definition of papal infallibility was merely to clear up some confusion and dissent at the time conerning same. Dogmatic declarations are NOT new teaching, they are merely clearly defining what an already held Doctrine means so there can be no confusion on the subject.
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Another horrible abuse of Catholicism. It would be wrong for any political party to sponsor a mass, the only sponsor of a mass should be the Church.
 
That will be a strange mass with no one able to receive communion!
 
Neil_Anthony said:
That will be a strange mass with no one able to receive communion!
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lol…i had much the same thought. Although, to be fair, not all democrats are as far left as this group claims to be. I know some that are moral right but fiscal left.
 
I seldom vote for Democrats any more because of the ProChoice , Same Sex Marriage and anti-human-being positions that the Democrats have taken. I am greatly saddened that my party “the Democrat Party” no longer speaks for me. Having said that, I know that the Republican Party does not speak for me either.

I am a Catholic, being a Catholic for me has absolutely nothing to do with politics. Being a Catholic for me, tells me that I am not to vote for anyone who supports abortion and I will follow that admonition. I will be happy when and if the Democrat party will once more speak for the working class and move away from those who are so far left that they have joined hands with those who are on the extreme right.
 
I have a hard time putting much faith in anyone who is actively involved with any political party. It takes a certain kind of person, whom is pretty far removed from the kind of man I am. Frankly, I find the party life and “process” to be repulsive. I would literally feel sick to my stomach if I had to attend political party meetings and rallies.

I’m definitely a conservative, but by gut temperment and intellectual outlook rather than any party affliliation. I’m not even political really; rather, my independent conservatism is basically a by-product of my religious faith. I take what my Church teaches very seriously – it is my religion – therefore, in this secular, liberal, increasingly anti-religious society of ours, I am a conservative.

The extent of my political involvement is twofold: (1) I will vote when it is time to vote, and always for the candidate who most embodies the “Magisterial” Catholic ideal, regardless of their party affliliation or even lack thereof, and if I cannot in good conscience vote for any of the candidates I write “Vote withheld due to lack of a real Catholic option in this riding” or some such on the ballot; and (2) I will join hands with fellow Catholics and others in the greater religious community to oppose certain policies undertaken by the government or goverment entities which are antithetical to what the Church teaches. But NEVER in the name of any political party. Again, this just makes me sick.
 
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