Spiritual But Not Religious? Please Stop Boring Me

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So some people admit they are not religous,ok ,so do we auto think they are ‘against’ being religous?

They may stare at the sun,while millions of Christians stare at naked women on the internet and watch them have sex,

So they see beauty in nature and even recognise a God and creator of nature,is that a bad thing? shoudnt we all appreciate nature and see God in it?

Jesus is meek and humble ,learn from me, he says
 
So some people admit they are not religous,ok ,so do we auto think they are ‘against’ being religous?

They may stare at the sun,while millions of Christians stare at naked women on the internet and watch them have sex,

So they see beauty in nature and even recognise a God and creator of nature,is that a bad thing? shoudnt we all appreciate nature and see God in it?

Jesus is meek and humble ,learn from me, he says
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Notice also that this is the “spirituality” forum, not the “religion” forum. There is a difference in the meaning of the terms; one does not necessarily imply the other.

Alan
 
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Notice also that this is the “spirituality” forum, not the “religion” forum. There is a difference in the meaning of the terms; one does not necessarily imply the other.

Alan
Could you elaborate or explain that a bit Alan? ,its late here ,my mind is in shut down
 
I’m spiritual, but not religulous.
Thank you. I’ve never heard of it before. I just might have to check it out. 😛
Could you elaborate or explain that a bit Alan? ,its late here ,my mind is in shut down
I don’t know if this is a “theologically accurate” use of the two terms, but I’ll tell you what they mean to me. If I’m using the terms wrong, I still think the concept applies.

I see somebody who is “spiritual” as somebody who is progressing along the spiritual journey. While that’s rather vague, to me it means that the person is seeking transformation by the Holy Spirit, (even if they don’t believe in the Holy Spirit we believe He is the one doing the transforming) and is doing things that are likely to bring that about. Spiritual people are a comfort to those around them, no matter their denomination of dogmatic beliefs. They will experience the fruit of the Spirit, and become increasingly happy and content with their lives, and more loving, tolerant, and especially forgiving of those who think, speak, or act in a way contrary to the Golden Rule. These people may have their own versions of prayer, whether it be formal prayer in a Church or gazing into the sunset letting their minds wander. Like the Good Samaritan, these people are ready to roll up their sleeves and offer help to a person in need.

As far as somebody who is “religious,” I see that as a person who studies theology, follows the precepts of the Church (or the rules of whatever non-Catholic denomination they associate with) and typically lives a righteous life. If they are “very religious” they go beyond the rules as far as prayer, participation in daily Mass, or do other noble things. They may or may not exhibit the characteristics I’ve described for a “spiritual” person, and they may or may not be ready and able to accept the gifts of peace, joy, and all the other gifts from God that Jesus came to enable us to receive. They tend to obey (or “cling to,” depending on the individual and the situation) the rules of their stated religion, but if they do not have true peace they may actually live in fear and paranoia, and might even be susceptible to superstition. Some of them have problems with arrogance, condescending behavior, or divisive thinking, and in some cases they honestly can’t see that even when it is brought to their attention.

Those who are both religious and spiritual are undoubtedly and greatly blessed, and are a blessing to others. They ooze with loving kindness and compassion. But if they have not love, their religion ultimately means nothing. A spiritual person IMO has love, while a religious person may have love also.

1 Cor 13:
1 If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.
2 And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.
3 If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, [love] is not pompous, it is not inflated,
5 it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury,
6 it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.
7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails. If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.
9 For we know partially and we prophesy partially,
10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
11 When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
12 At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face. At present I know partially; then I shall know fully, as I am fully known.
13 So faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

That’s my first shot at it. Does that make any sense?

Peace and joy,
Alan
 
I see somebody who is “spiritual” as somebody who is progressing along the spiritual journey. While that’s rather vague, to me it means that the person is seeking transformation by the Holy Spirit, (even if they don’t believe in the Holy Spirit we believe He is the one doing the transforming) and is doing things that are likely to bring that about. Spiritual people are a comfort to those around them, no matter their denomination of dogmatic beliefs. They will experience the fruit of the Spirit, and become increasingly happy and content with their lives, and more loving, tolerant, and especially forgiving of those who think, speak, or act in a way contrary to the Golden Rule. These people may have their own versions of prayer, whether it be formal prayer in a Church or gazing into the sunset letting their minds wander. Like the Good Samaritan, these people are ready to roll up their sleeves and offer help to a person in need.
These are the people who believe that “the sabbath was made for man”.
As far as somebody who is “religious,” I see that as a person who studies theology, follows the precepts of the Church (or the rules of whatever non-Catholic denomination they associate with) and typically lives a righteous life. If they are “very religious” they go beyond the rules as far as prayer, participation in daily Mass, or do other noble things. They may or may not exhibit the characteristics I’ve described for a “spiritual” person, and they may or may not be ready and able to accept the gifts of peace, joy, and all the other gifts from God that Jesus came to enable us to receive. They tend to obey (or “cling to,” depending on the individual and the situation) the rules of their stated religion, but if they do not have true peace they may actually live in fear and paranoia, and might even be susceptible to superstition. Some of them have problems with arrogance, condescending behavior, or divisive thinking, and in some cases they honestly can’t see that even when it is brought to their attention.
These are the people who believe that “man was made for the sabbath”.
 
Please help me understand where you see lack of charity in my post. I know I sometimes say things and think about things differently from the way others do, but I just don’t see the lack of charity and frankly I don’t want it. If you are willing and able, please help me remove the plank from my eye.

Alan
Well, the word "spew " alone…

Who are any of us to judge anyone else’s walk in this life?

It is very, very hard and I think we all think this kind of thing; but this whole thread makes me wince.

In these day so many are struggling to hang onto any kind of faith or any form of rteligion; I know I am.

I have thought as you have many times in the past; but since working with abuse survivors here in Ireland? Some are hanging on for dear life and maybe that kind of talk is all they can find just now.

For us to listen and pray for them quietly.

I no longer either see religion as we know it and spirtuality as different as one can lead to the other.

And God is in His creation; So is Jesus.

How can any of us be complacent when so manyhave lost trust in “religion”; nb Jesus certainly lost trust in it.

Wise as serpents and gentle as doves, He bids us be.

Always loving even or especially in cases like this.

That is a way to open hearts.
 
Well, the word "spew " alone…

Who are any of us to judge anyone else’s walk in this life?
OK, thank you very much. I think that’s fair. Looking back, I see I was trying to phrase it from the point of view of the author of the article, with whom I don’t agree. I could have made that clearer, because I agree with you that “spew” is not a loving way to look at it. I agree we should not judge, and for myself I like to hear people tell me what they’ve come up with or learned in whatever fashion. Just because I am trained and experienced in something doesn’t mean I can’t learn something from a person who isn’t, or that I should look down on them. 👍
It is very, very hard and I think we all think this kind of thing; but this whole thread makes me wince.
I hear that. I’m trying to learn to not let it get to me; to practice being a sheep among wolves. I’m not always successful at hiding my teeth. :o
In these day so many are struggling to hang onto any kind of faith or any form of rteligion; I know I am.
Please stay with us. There are many friends here. You might be exposed to negative posts, but maybe you can learn to get to where you let them into your eyes and straight up to God without their harming you. :whistle:
I no longer either see religion as we know it and spirtuality as different as one can lead to the other.
I fully agree one can lead to another. I just believe that a person can have one and not the other, in either direction.
How can any of us be complacent when so manyhave lost trust in “religion”; nb Jesus certainly lost trust in it.
Wise as serpents and gentle as doves, He bids us be.
Always loving even or especially in cases like this.
That is a way to open hearts.
:amen:

Thanks for explaining your comments to me. I see they were not even close to being ad hom attack. 👍

Alan
 
I see somebody who is “spiritual” as somebody who is progressing along the spiritual journey. While that’s rather vague, to me it means that the person is seeking transformation by the Holy Spirit, (even if they don’t believe in the Holy Spirit we believe He is the one doing the transforming) and is doing things that are likely to bring that about. Spiritual people are a comfort to those around them, no matter their denomination of dogmatic beliefs. They will experience the fruit of the Spirit, and become increasingly happy and content with their lives, and more loving, tolerant, and especially forgiving of those who think, speak, or act in a way contrary to the Golden Rule. These people may have their own versions of prayer, whether it be formal prayer in a Church or gazing into the sunset letting their minds wander. Like the Good Samaritan, these people are ready to roll up their sleeves and offer help to a person in need.

As far as somebody who is “religious,” I see that as a person who studies theology, follows the precepts of the Church (or the rules of whatever non-Catholic denomination they associate with) and typically lives a righteous life. If they are “very religious” they go beyond the rules as far as prayer, participation in daily Mass, or do other noble things. They may or may not exhibit the characteristics I’ve described for a “spiritual” person, and they may or may not be ready and able to accept the gifts of peace, joy, and all the other gifts from God that Jesus came to enable us to receive. They tend to obey (or “cling to,” depending on the individual and the situation) the rules of their stated religion, but if they do not have true peace they may actually live in fear and paranoia, and might even be susceptible to superstition. Some of them have problems with arrogance, condescending behavior, or divisive thinking, and in some cases they honestly can’t see that even when it is brought to their attention.

Those who are both religious and spiritual are undoubtedly and greatly blessed, and are a blessing to others. They ooze with loving kindness and compassion. But if they have not love, their religion ultimately means nothing. A spiritual person IMO has love, while a religious person may have love also.

That’s my first shot at it. Does that make any sense?

Peace and joy,
Alan
Yes it makes sense Thanks Alan

I think one can go on a tangent and to extremes on either side ,one can become like a religous Pharisee without having love in his/her heart ,a hypocrite

On the other hand with nature, one could shut out the true God and Christ,and start worshipping the Creation ,and other pagan gods ,sun god ,moon god ,wicca, etc

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